"It's not theirs, Its mine"

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Donald Trump was warned that the records he was holding on to were illegally retained, but the former president refused to give them back because he disagreed with that assertion, a new report claims.

The New York Times reported on Tuesday that Mr Trump flat-out refused to return boxes of documents, including some that apparently were marked classified, when approached by his former deputy White House counsel, Patrick Philbin.

And he wasn’t alone – multiple other aides to the president reportedly told him the same thing. But Mr Trump resisted, telling them “it’s not theirs, it’s mine” on several occaisions, referring to the stash of documents.

The new reporting could help the Justice Department prove its case if charges are brought against him for the retention of classified materials, as it demonstrates that Mr Trump could or should have known that what he was doing was criminal in nature.





To be continued.......
 
It sounds like some highly classified files were recovered, along with other presidential office related papers. What if it is true?
Trump said he declassified them.
If it goes to court what governs, the president's word or procedures?
No one really knows. Its always a pissing contest with the archives.
Its not a criminal statute.
 
Trump said he declassified them.
If it goes to court what governs, the president's word or procedures?
No one really knows. Its always a pissing contest with the archives.
Its not a criminal statute.
[Here is the problem. Trump himself signed a law making what he did......a Felony.
So, what is the law supposed to do?]



In 2018, then-President Donald Trump signed a bill into law that could now be used to punish him if he's found to have taken classified information from the White House at the end of his tenure, Business Insider reports.
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The documents and mementos -- which also included correspondence from ex-US president Barack Obama -- should by law have been turned over at the end of Trump's presidency but instead ended up at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

The recovery of the boxes raised questions about Trump's adherence to presidential records laws enacted after the 1970s Watergate scandal that require Oval Office occupants to preserve records related to administration activity.

(full article online)

 
Trump said he declassified them.
If it goes to court what governs, the president's word or procedures?
No one really knows. Its always a pissing contest with the archives.
Its not a criminal statute.
Depends on what he is talking about. Some documents are classified to such an extent, and in such short list of recipients even allowed to see them at all, they are beyond some verbal blanket declassification, if it was he actually said it, in the first place, and still does not make them his property under the Presidential Records Act. He should have given everything back, when told. Not a pissing contest unless you go against the law of the land since 1978. Donny has a credibility problem.
 
Donald Trump was warned that the records he was holding on to were illegally retained, but the former president refused to give them back because he disagreed with that assertion, a new report claims.

The New York Times reported on Tuesday that Mr Trump flat-out refused to return boxes of documents, including some that apparently were marked classified, when approached by his former deputy White House counsel, Patrick Philbin.

And he wasn’t alone – multiple other aides to the president reportedly told him the same thing. But Mr Trump resisted, telling them “it’s not theirs, it’s mine” on several occaisions, referring to the stash of documents.

The new reporting could help the Justice Department prove its case if charges are brought against him for the retention of classified materials, as it demonstrates that Mr Trump could or should have known that what he was doing was criminal in nature.





To be continued.......
The only case they can make with that information is retention of government records. The penalty for that is the equivalent of a library fine.
 
Just a question, Mike. Did you think Nixon should have been able to protect, keep and withhold records of his presidency also? You are no doubt aware of the Presidential Records act of 1978.

There's a difference between taking records for research or for information.
Nixon knowingly did what he against the office and against the people, which was a criminal act, regardless of classification of documents. Trump didn't do anything with them, except have them at his residence.
 

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