"It's not theirs, Its mine"

[bripat9643]

Depends on what he is talking about. Some documents are classified to such an extent, and in such short list of recipients even allowed to see them at all, they are beyond some verbal blanket declassification, if it was he actually said it, in the first place, and still does not make them his property under the Presidential Records Act. He should have given everything back, when told. Not a pissing contest unless you go against the law of the land since 1978. Donny has a credibility problem.

When one of you idiots can prove they weren't declassified, then perhaps there might be a point in continuing this discussion.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The only case they can make with that information is retention of government records. The penalty for that is the equivalent of a library fine.

Are you sure that a fine would be the penalty?
Remains to be seen, of course.

 

[bripat9643]

There's a difference between taking records for research or for information.
Nixon knowingly did what he against the office and against the people, which was a criminal act, regardless of classification of documents. Trump didn't do anything with them, except have them at his residence.

I don't believe it became illegal until 1980.

 

[skye]

If it does come out on Fox, OAN or Newsmax, will it also be seen as gossip?

This is gossip Sixties Fan.....pure and undiluted gossip,

Nothing but that.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There's a difference between taking records for research or for information.
Nixon knowingly did what he against the office and against the people, which was a criminal act, regardless of classification of documents. Trump didn't do anything with them, except have them at his residence.

But how did he get the consent to take them, once he was out of office, on his way out?

 

[White 6]

There's a difference between taking records for research or for information.
Nixon knowingly did what he against the office and against the people, which was a criminal act, regardless of classification of documents. Trump didn't do anything with them, except have them at his residense.

We have no idea what he was doing with them, what he had done with them, who had showed them to, or for what purpose. We only know, he took them and would not give them back.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I don't believe it became illegal until 1980.

[Here is the information on that]

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...

www.archives.gov

 

[bripat9643]

But how did he get the consent to take them, once he was out of office, on his way out?

The GSA packed them up so he could take them the day he left.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The GSA packed them up so he could take them the day he left.

GSA ?

 

[bripat9643]

GSA ?

I think that's the outfit. It has a 'G' in it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I think that's the outfit. It has a 'G' in it.

What outfit is that? Which agency?

 

[Lesh]

Trump said he declassified them.
If it goes to court what governs, the president's word or procedures?
No one really knows. Its always a pissing contest with the archives.
Its not a criminal statute.

Declassifying does not make them “his”

 

[White 6]

When one of you idiots can prove they weren't declassified, then perhaps there might be a point in continuing this discussion.

They were classified and considered to be declassified only when there is proof they were declassified. Who is it, he pronounced them declassified to. Is there any documentation of the scope and list of the declassified documents? Or is this just a ploy supposed to cover anything he took?

 

[Sixties Fan]

I think that's the outfit. It has a 'G' in it.

I am not sure this agency has anything to do with packing classified documents and having them sent to Mar O Lago


GSA

General Services Administration | USAGov

The General Services Administration manages federal property and provides contracting options for government agencies.

www.usa.gov

 

[White 6]

The GSA packed them up so he could take them the day he left.

How do you know that. Something you read or are you assuming.

 

[JGalt]

What do you think of the reports, trump was ratted out again by somebody close enough to him to know what was in the boxes not returned, when first demanded?

That would have been someone in the GSA. They're the ones who assembled and packed those documents, not Trump. I doubt if he was even aware of what all was in them.

 

[kyzr]

[Here is the problem. Trump himself signed a law making what he did......a Felony. So, what is the law supposed to do?]

In 2018, then-President Donald Trump signed a bill into law that could now be used to punish him if he's found to have taken classified information from the White House at the end of his tenure, Business Insider reports.
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The documents and mementos -- which also included correspondence from ex-US president Barack Obama -- should by law have been turned over at the end of Trump's presidency but instead ended up at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

The recovery of the boxes raised questions about Trump's adherence to presidential records laws enacted after the 1970s Watergate scandal that require Oval Office occupants to preserve records related to administration activity.

What part of TRUMP DECLASSIFIED THE DOCUMENTS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

 

[kyzr]

Depends on what he is talking about. Some documents are classified to such an extent, and in such short list of recipients even allowed to see them at all, they are beyond some verbal blanket declassification, if it was he actually said it, in the first place, and still does not make them his property under the Presidential Records Act. He should have given everything back, when told. Not a pissing contest unless you go against the law of the land since 1978. Donny has a credibility problem.

Typically this ends two ways
1. The archives keep the documents they want and Trump can go to court over them (he won't)
2. Trump keeps the attorney-client privilege documents as decided by a "special master"

The J6 committee won't get any smoking gun. Trump won't be indicted. Republicans will be very energized.

 

[kyzr]

Declassifying does not make them “his”

True. He is only entitled to his personal documents
So the archives keep what they want, and Trump gets his personal documents back
No crime.

 

[surada]

The only case they can make with that information is retention of government records. The penalty for that is the equivalent of a library fine.

Nope. It's a felony.