It's almost June - countdown to the Supreme Court decision on ACA

[teapartysamurai]

Please oh please oh please, let them strike it down.

What is Obama's campaign team going to do when the verdict comes out?

If by some chance Obama gets another term, will he have another go at HCR?

If the USSC strikes it down, team Obama will turn it into a campaign issue. "Republicans on the USSC took away YOUR healthcare!"

That is what they will do.

They will, of course, totally ignore the fact the healthcare law was unConstitutional in the first place.

 

[Greenbeard]

If the USSC strikes it down, team Obama will turn it into a campaign issue. "Republicans on the USSC took away YOUR healthcare!"

That is what they will do.

They will, of course, totally ignore the fact the healthcare law was unConstitutional in the first place.

The right's contention is that two things are unconstitutional: 1) the individual mandate, and 2) the creation of a new eligibility category in Medicaid.

Their contention is also that everything in the legislation, every plainly constitutional provision outside of the 10-15 pages they find offensive should be eliminated if either or both of those contested provisions fall.

And Congressional Republicans have bold stated that none of it should be reinstated if that happens--because, the diehards gripe, then they'd have to re-name their anti-ACA listserv, the Repeal Coalition, "to ‘partialrepealcoalition’ or ‘someofobamacareisprettygood’." And acknowledging how many things they liked (e.g. high-deductible plans, interstate insurance sales, disincentivizing new state benefit mandates, extension of dependent coverage, high-risk pools, eliminating caps, etc) about the legislation they've crusaded against is simply not an option for them.

So yes, the Democrats would be right to hammer the Republican position in that instance.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Please oh please oh please, let them strike it down.

What is Obama's campaign team going to do when the verdict comes out?

If by some chance Obama gets another term, will he have another go at HCR?

If the USSC strikes it down, team Obama will turn it into a campaign issue. "Republicans on the USSC took away YOUR healthcare!" That is what they will do. They will, of course, totally ignore the fact the healthcare law was unConstitutional in the first place.

It will be only unconstitutional if they strike it down and only in the format that was struck down.

Nothing in the Constitution makes government health care illegal ipso facto.

You are right the Obamanians will go on the political warpath with it,

 

[JoeB131]

If the USSC strikes it down, team Obama will turn it into a campaign issue. "Republicans on the USSC took away YOUR healthcare!"

That is what they will do.

They will, of course, totally ignore the fact the healthcare law was unConstitutional in the first place.

Yes, they will.

Leaving aside the issue of "constitutionality", which I think is bunk, the GOP is going to find itself on the side of big insurance companies against sick kids.

Not sure if that's where I'd want to be.

And this is the problem. The courts were the wrong place to go to remedy this. Now teh Supreme court is either going to throw out the baby with the bathwater, or they are going to have to go along with the whole thing.

 

[Greenbeard]

Leaving aside the issue of "constitutionality", which I think is bunk, the GOP is going to find itself on the side of big insurance companies against sick kids.

They can always fall back on Amelia's argument that they're under "no obligation" to give a shit.

 

[Sallow]

Please oh please oh please, let them strike it down.

What is Obama's campaign team going to do when the verdict comes out?

If by some chance Obama gets another term, will he have another go at HCR?

Well if they strike it down..they leave behind a great big mess.

But, what the heck, mess is much more fun!

You know..like Citizen's United.

Go on..let us know how "corrupt" politics is because of all the dirty money.

 

[Amelia]

For those who say the Republicans were wrong to challenge the ACA in court, I'll paraphrase Ben Franklin:

If you're willing to give up constitutional protections to get healthcare insurance, you don't deserve either.

^^^^
I still don't have much more to say than this.


If you cared about fixing the health insurance problem then maybe you shouldn't have gone to the mat for something unconstitutional.

If you cared about what the people wanted/needed, then you would have paid attention to the rumblings of a nation so filled with angst that even Massachusetts elected a Republican to fill Ted Kennedy's seat.

The hardcore bedrock principle is that this breach and others which the president has made in the constitution need to be addressed.

In 2009, your faux idea of compromise was "you're going to get raped but you get to choose the room". Now it sounds like, "If the courts say raping you in the livingroom is illegal, you have to pick a different room."



Yes, that's hyperbole. But it's what it feels like.

You guys who sound so cavalier about the violation of the constitution really need to think about how the rest of your message sounds when framed against that backdrop.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Please oh please oh please, let them strike it down.

What is Obama's campaign team going to do when the verdict comes out?

If by some chance Obama gets another term, will he have another go at HCR?

Well if they strike it down..they leave behind a great big mess.

But, what the heck, mess is much more fun!

You know..like Citizen's United.

Go on..let us know how "corrupt" politics is because of all the dirty money.

It's a mess cause by democrats for passing that piece of shit in the first place. Funny the numbers of people who hate it havent gone down, like Pelosi said as she was jamming it down our throat like a porn star.

So do you think it's so great ,that everyone who backed it doesnt want to use it?

 

[Sallow]

Please oh please oh please, let them strike it down.

What is Obama's campaign team going to do when the verdict comes out?

If by some chance Obama gets another term, will he have another go at HCR?

Well if they strike it down..they leave behind a great big mess.

But, what the heck, mess is much more fun!

You know..like Citizen's United.

Go on..let us know how "corrupt" politics is because of all the dirty money.

It's a mess cause by democrats for passing that piece of shit in the first place. Funny the numbers of people who hate it havent gone down, like Pelosi said as she was jamming it down our throat like a porn star.

So do you think it's so great ,that everyone who backed it doesnt want to use it?

The "piece of shit" was the REPUBLICAN alternative to Hillarycare.

It should have been single payer..or Medicare for everyone.

But Obama..stupidly went with conservatives.

And now a conservative court is making decisions.

Radical as they are..

 

[The T]

Well if they strike it down..they leave behind a great big mess.

But, what the heck, mess is much more fun!

You know..like Citizen's United.

Go on..let us know how "corrupt" politics is because of all the dirty money.

It's a mess cause by democrats for passing that piece of shit in the first place. Funny the numbers of people who hate it havent gone down, like Pelosi said as she was jamming it down our throat like a porn star.

So do you think it's so great ,that everyone who backed it doesnt want to use it?

The "piece of shit" was the REPUBLICAN alternative to Hillarycare.

It should have been single payer..or Medicare for everyone.

But Obama..stupidly went with conservatives.

And now a conservative court is making decisions.

Radical as they are..

Obama went with Conservatives Gracie? Really?

 

[Sallow]

It's a mess cause by democrats for passing that piece of shit in the first place. Funny the numbers of people who hate it havent gone down, like Pelosi said as she was jamming it down our throat like a porn star.

So do you think it's so great ,that everyone who backed it doesnt want to use it?

The "piece of shit" was the REPUBLICAN alternative to Hillarycare.

It should have been single payer..or Medicare for everyone.

But Obama..stupidly went with conservatives.

And now a conservative court is making decisions.

Radical as they are..

Obama went with Conservatives Gracie? Really?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLtCYlCdo5Q]Romney Praises Obama for Modeling Parts of ObamaCare off of RomneyCare - YouTube.flv - YouTube[/ame]

Yeah.

 

[The T]

The "piece of shit" was the REPUBLICAN alternative to Hillarycare.

It should have been single payer..or Medicare for everyone.

But Obama..stupidly went with conservatives.

And now a conservative court is making decisions.

Radical as they are..

Obama went with Conservatives Gracie? Really?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLtCYlCdo5Q"]Romney Praises Obama for Modeling Parts of ObamaCare off of RomneyCare - YouTube.flv - YouTube[/ame]

Yeah.

But had later stated he'd GET RID of ObamaCare.

And What of Massechussetts revamping that system where Healthcare providers are leaving the State in droves and costs are going UP?

No Soap Shallow.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No soap, T. Health care cover 98% of folks in Mass, costs are down, and providers are not "leaving . . . in droves." Please, T, quit being hysterical.

The fact is that Obamacare is constitutional until SCOTUS says it isn't.

 

[JoeB131]

For those who say the Republicans were wrong to challenge the ACA in court, I'll paraphrase Ben Franklin:

If you're willing to give up constitutional protections to get healthcare insurance, you don't deserve either.

^^^^
I still don't have much more to say than this.


If you cared about fixing the health insurance problem then maybe you shouldn't have gone to the mat for something unconstitutional.

If you cared about what the people wanted/needed, then you would have paid attention to the rumblings of a nation so filled with angst that even Massachusetts elected a Republican to fill Ted Kennedy's seat.

The hardcore bedrock principle is that this breach and others which the president has made in the constitution need to be addressed.

In 2009, your faux idea of compromise was "you're going to get raped but you get to choose the room". Now it sounds like, "If the courts say raping you in the livingroom is illegal, you have to pick a different room."

Yes, that's hyperbole. But it's what it feels like.

You guys who sound so cavalier about the violation of the constitution really need to think about how the rest of your message sounds when framed against that backdrop.

Well you got one thing right, it's hyperbole.

Again, I'm still trying to figure out at what point a mandate to buy insurance (which I suspect everyone here is already responsible enough to purchase) went from being a sensible solution to the health care problem (as Mitt Romney said in 2009) to being a violation of constituitonal rights...

Oh. That's right. The Black Guy did it.

 

[The T]

Blue Cross CEO says providers must control costs, or else

Mitt Romney may be haunted by Massachusetts health care costs

Sorry, Liberals, RomneyCare Is Still Not Working The Massachusetts health care overhaul continues to come up short.

Romney said he would STOP ObamaCare.

Sorry Fakey.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Blue Cross CEO says providers must control costs, or else puts the blame on hospitals and providers for controlling costs.

Mitt Romney may be haunted by Massachusetts health care costs notice "may be" and since when does The T use politico as a source, hmmmn?

Sorry, Liberals, RomneyCare Is Still Not Working is produced by a far right reactionary rag.

Just saying, The Loon T.

 

[Amelia]

For those who say the Republicans were wrong to challenge the ACA in court, I'll paraphrase Ben Franklin:

If you're willing to give up constitutional protections to get healthcare insurance, you don't deserve either.

^^^^
I still don't have much more to say than this.


If you cared about fixing the health insurance problem then maybe you shouldn't have gone to the mat for something unconstitutional.

If you cared about what the people wanted/needed, then you would have paid attention to the rumblings of a nation so filled with angst that even Massachusetts elected a Republican to fill Ted Kennedy's seat.

The hardcore bedrock principle is that this breach and others which the president has made in the constitution need to be addressed.

In 2009, your faux idea of compromise was "you're going to get raped but you get to choose the room". Now it sounds like, "If the courts say raping you in the livingroom is illegal, you have to pick a different room."

Yes, that's hyperbole. But it's what it feels like.

You guys who sound so cavalier about the violation of the constitution really need to think about how the rest of your message sounds when framed against that backdrop.

Well you got one thing right, it's hyperbole.

Again, I'm still trying to figure out at what point a mandate to buy insurance (which I suspect everyone here is already responsible enough to purchase) went from being a sensible solution to the health care problem (as Mitt Romney said in 2009) to being a violation of constituitonal rights...

Oh. That's right. The Black Guy did it.

Yeah, coz if Hillary had done it, we would all have been fine with it.

 

[JoeB131]

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Yeah, coz if Hillary had done it, we would all have been fine with it.

Well, if Hillary had gotten in, we'd have gotten a public option and a law with a lot more teeth...

And you'd still carp and whine, I'm sure. But then you m ight have a good reason, because she'd have proposed real socialized medicine, and not what you guys proposed for years until The Black Guy Did it.

You see my problem here? You guys were all for Mandates back in 2008, and Mitt Romney called it his proudest acheivement.

Until Obama went ahead and did it... and you just can't give the man an ounce of credit even when he's seeing things your way.

So you have Governor Romney not wanting to even talk about his days as Governor, given his two biggest accomplishments were beta-testing the two things Obama now stands for- Indvidual Mandates and Gay Marriage.

 

[Greenbeard]

But had later stated he'd GET RID of ObamaCare.

He's running for office for Pete's sake!

 

[Amelia]

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Yeah, coz if Hillary had done it, we would all have been fine with it.

Well, if Hillary had gotten in, we'd have gotten a public option and a law with a lot more teeth...

And you'd still carp and whine, I'm sure. But then you m ight have a good reason, because she'd have proposed real socialized medicine, and not what you guys proposed for years until The Black Guy Did it.

You see my problem here? You guys were all for Mandates back in 2008, and Mitt Romney called it his proudest acheivement.

Until Obama went ahead and did it... and you just can't give the man an ounce of credit even when he's seeing things your way.

So you have Governor Romney not wanting to even talk about his days as Governor, given his two biggest accomplishments were beta-testing the two things Obama now stands for- Indvidual Mandates and Gay Marriage.

Um, no, Joe, I was not all for federal healthcare mandates back in 2008.

But have a nice day!