GLASNOST
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You don't even know what I said. You are not very intelligent.
It is time to end our relationship with Israel
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GLASNOST
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You don't understand anything about "Intifada". Just as I said in my previous post ..... you are not very intelligent.
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The only rocks I see here are those inside your ignorant indoctrinated skull. Palestinians are invading colonizing Arabs from neighboring Arab lands who introduced the world to the medieval barbaric art of Islamic suicide bombing by strapping suicide vests onto their own kids and women and having them bomb schools and restaurants filled with Jews.
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Islamic terrorists don’t respond well to appeasement, in fact they are emboldened. That was the lesson we learned from the Obama and Biden administrations.
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Actually,
1). Muslims want Israel destroyed.
2). Muslims are violent and practice religious bigotry.
3). Muslims are antiSemites.
4). Simply put ....so called Palestinians are Islamo-NAZIs.
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Yes, there is no Fakestine and never was.
Educate us.
An Intifada (Arabic for "uprising") refers to Palestinian rebellions against Israeli occupation, most notably the First Intifada (1987–1993), characterized by stone-throwing, strikes, and civil disobedience, and the Second Intifada (2000–2005), which escalated to more violent clashes, suicide bombings, and Israeli military responses, both arising from Palestinian frustration with occupation, lack of statehood, and Israeli policies, significantly impacting the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and leading to the Oslo Peace Process.
Causes & Context
- Long-term Occupation: Decades of Israeli military rule in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem fueled resentment.
- Political Stagnation:Lack of progress in peace talks and Palestinian self-determination increased despair
.- Trigger Events: The First Intifada was sparked by an Israeli military vehicle hitting Palestinian pedestrians; the Second by Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif.
Key Events & Characteristics
- First Intifada (1987-1993):
- Methods: Grassroots protests, general strikes, boycotts, rock-throwing, and mass demonstrations.
- Israeli Response: Heavy military deployment, clubbing of youths, and use of live ammunition, leading to significant Palestinian casualties.
- Outcome: Led to the Oslo Accords (1993), establishing the Palestinian Authority.
- Second Intifada (2000-2005):
- Methods: Increased Palestinian militant attacks (suicide bombings, shootings) and Israeli military operations, including incursions into Palestinian areas.
- Israeli Response: Targeted killings, extensive use of force, and construction of the separation barrier.
- Outcome: Resulted in high casualties on both sides, ended with Israel's disengagement from Gaza (2005).
Significance
- Brought the Palestinian issue to the forefront of international attention.
- Demonstrated Palestinian popular resistance and willingness to challenge occupation.
- Marked turning points in the conflict, shaping subsequent negotiations and realities.
Maybe blame the British?
Israel and Palestine are fighting primarily over land, self-determination, and security in the same territory, stemming from competing claims rooted in history, religion, and nationalism, with key flashpoints including Israeli settlements, the status of Jerusalem, borders, and Palestinian refugee rights, leading to cycles of violence and stalled peace processes. Both peoples claim the land as their ancestral homeland, creating deep-seated conflict over control and sovereignty.
Core Issues
- Land & Borders: The conflict centers on control of the land of historic Palestine, including modern Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip, with Palestinians seeking an independent state in these areas.
- Israeli Settlements: Israeli communities built in the West Bank, considered illegal by most of the international community, are a major point of contention.
- Status of Jerusalem: Both Israelis and Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital, with holy sites sacred to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
- Security: Israel seeks security from attacks, while Palestinians demand freedom of movement and an end to occupation.
- Palestinian Refugees: The fate of millions of Palestinians displaced in past conflicts, and their right to return, remains a core unresolved issue.
- Zionism & Nationalism: The late 19th-century Zionist movement aimed to create a Jewish national home in Palestine, clashing with growing Arab nationalism in the region.
- British Mandate: After World War I, Britain controlled Palestine, promising a Jewish homeland but fueling tensions between the communities.
- 1948 War (Nakba): Israel's declaration of independence led to war with Arab states, resulting in Israel controlling much of the land and Palestinians being expelled, an event known as the Nakba (Catastrophe).
- 1967 War: Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and other territories, expanding its control and increasing Palestinian displacement.
- Occupation: Israel maintains overall control of the West Bank, while the Palestinian Authority governs most Palestinian towns, and Hamas controls Gaza, leading to ongoing friction and violence.
- Lack of Peace Process: Years of stalled negotiations and a breakdown in trust make finding lasting solutions difficult.
- Religious Significance: Deep religious beliefs on both sides reinforce claims to the land, complicating political compromises.
It seems to me they are struggling with war. If they were any good at war they would already have their peace.
Do I personally? No. It makes little difference in my day to day life. But apparently they have a problem with it because they aren't. Ever hear the phrase "possession is nine tenths of the law?"
It means that the person physically holding or using property is presumed to own it and has a stronger claim than someone who doesn't, making it harder for others to challenge them.
QuickHitCurepon
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The Israelis didn't cause the Black Death, but it is important to understand that the Israelis have committed several horrible massacres of Palestinians. The Palestinians were also correct to protest Israel for all the Israeli pillaging and slaughter.
Deir Yassin Massacre (April 1948)
The Deir Yassin massacre was a massacre of at least 107 Palestinians. The victims included scores of children, women, and elders.
The massacre was committed by the Zionist militias groups in Palestine’s Deir Yassin town, near Jerusalem, on 9 April 1948. The carnage was carried out by Irgun and Stern Gang groups, led by Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, respectively. Both Begin and Shamir later became prime minister of Israel.
Deir Yassin | History, Israel, Palestinians, & Massacre | Britannica
Deir Yassin, Palestinian Arab village that was located just west of Jerusalem. On April 9, 1948, on the eve of the Arab-Israeli war of 1948–49, the village was destroyed by Jewish paramilitary forces in an attack that inspired fear and panic throughout the region. Deir Yassin was situated atop a
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Abu Shusha Massacre (May 1948)
Abu Shusha was subjected to multiple assaults, culminating in the decisive attack that commenced on 13 May. Despite the valiant efforts of the village's residents to protect their homes, Abu Shusha fell to occupation on 14 May.
The initial assault was orchestrated by the Givati Brigade, leading to the tragic loss of approximately 60 residents
Abu Shusha massacre - Wikipedia
Tantura Massacre (May 1948)
Tantura, a coastal fishing village with a population of around 1,500 people in 1945, was situated near Haifa. During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the village surrendered to Israeli forces. However, instead of a peaceful transition, Israeli forces launched an assault on the village, resulting in the tragic massacre of nearly 200 Palestinians.
Tantura massacre - Wikipedia
Lydda Massacre (July 1948)
Lydda and Ramle, two towns originally designated to be part of an Arab state in Palestine as per the UN Partition Plan of 1947, ultimately came under Israeli control. The Israeli assault on Lydda began on July 11, 1948.
The city's defenders initially put up a fierce resistance but eventually depleted their ammunition. Israeli forces entered the city in the evening, and upon gaining entry, they carried out indiscriminate violence, opening fire on anyone attempting to escape.
Israeli soldiers made deceptive assurances of safety, urging residents to remain in their homes or places of worship, only to betray those seeking refuge. By 12 July, the Israelis had secured complete control of the city, even though it had not formally surrendered. They ordered male residents to gather in mosques and churches, imposing a curfew. Heartbreakingly, both the Great Mosque and the Dahmash Mosque, where hundreds had sought shelter, became harrowing scenes of violence. While estimates of the death toll vary, it is believed that over 400 Lydda residents lost their lives. Unfortunately, the tragedy did not conclude with the massacre.
Palestinian expulsion from Lydda and Ramle - Wikipedia
Saliha Massacre (October 1948)
Saliha marked the first village where a massacre was perpetrated by the 7th Brigade of the Israeli forces. Upon their entry into the village, they detonated a mosque and tragically took the lives of 60 to 94 individuals who had sought refuge inside.
Saliha - Wikipedia
Al-Dawayima Massacre (October, 1948)
The massacre in the village of al-Dawayima is regarded as one of the major atrocities of the 1948 war, and arguably one of the most horrific. ...
In the mosque, 60 bodies were discovered, primarily those of elderly men, while numerous corpses of men, women, and children lay strewn across the streets. Additionally, the entrance to the Iraq Al-Zagh cavern held the bodies of 80 men, women, and children. Upon conducting a census, it was revealed that a total of 455 individuals lost their lives, consisting of 280 men and the rest women and children.
Al-Dawayima massacre - Wikipedia
Qibya Massacre (October 1953)
A force of 250 to 300 Israeli soldiers, under the leadership of Ariel Sharon, launched an assault on the village of Qibya in the West Bank, which was under Jordan's control at the time. This tragic event resulted in the loss of Palestinian civilian lives. Israeli forces used explosives to demolish dozens of buildings throughout the village, leading to the massacre of over 69 Palestinian villagers, with approximately two-thirds of the victims being women and children. The devastating attack also resulted in the destruction of 45 houses, a school, and a mosque.
Qibya massacre - Wikipedia
Kafr Qasim Massacre (October 1956)
On 29 October 1956, the Israeli government and military decided to enforce a curfew on the Arab villages near the border with Jordan. At 4:30pm on that day, a border police sergeant informed the mayor of Kafr Qasim that a curfew would be in effect starting at 5pm that evening. This presented a significant challenge as hundreds of villagers who had left their homes in the morning for work had no way of being aware of the curfew until they returned home.
Soldiers were instructed that they should "shoot to kill at any person seen outside their home after 17:00, making no distinction between men, women, and children."
When the villagers returned to their homes after 5 pm, border police halted them on the western side of the village. Soldiers required them to disembark from their vehicles, cars, or bicycles and began firing at them from close range. In just one hour, they ruthlessly killed 49 residents of Kafr Qasim, including children.
Kafr Qasim massacre - Wikipedia
Khan Yunis Massacre (November 1956)
The Khan Yunis massacre was perpetrated by Israeli forces in the Palestinian town of Khan Yunis and its adjacent refugee camp in the Gaza Strip during the Suez Crisis. This tragic event unfolded as part of an Israeli operation aimed at reopening the Egyptian-blockaded Straits of Tiran.
During the operation, Israeli soldiers conducted a brutal house-to-house search for fedayeen, resulting in the tragic shooting of approximately two hundred Palestinians in Khan Yunis and Rafah. This ruthless action led to the estimated loss of 275 to 400 Palestinian lives.
Khan Yunis massacre - Wikipedia
Sabra and Shatila Massacres (September 1982)
The massacres unfolded within the context of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in September 1982. Israeli forces had surrounded the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in West Beirut. The Israeli military authorized the entry of the right-wing Christian Phalangist militia, which was aligned with Israel, into the camps.
During a grim two-day span, from 16 to 18 September, the Phalangists executed a brutal operation that resulted in the loss of a substantial number of Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians, with nearly 3,000 lives tragically taken. This massacre triggered international outrage and stirred criticism within Israel.
The Kahan Commission determined that Israeli authorities bore indirect responsibility for the massacre, resulting in the resignation of Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon.
Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia
Conquering lands by force is a pretty common occurrence. It's really quite Darwinian, right? Do you have a problem with how life evolves? Would you like a more kind and gentle form of evolution?Israel and South Vietnam are both fake countries. The main difference is that South Vietnam was founded as a Fascist state right from its inception. Israel, on the other hand, had a basis of good intentions but turned into a Fascist, Nazi state the first chance it got. The farce in South Vietnam only lasted for 20 years. Israel has lasted longer than that but its demise is a foregone conclusion.
conquering lands has been an extremely common phenomenon throughout human history, serving as a primary driver for the formation of states and empires.
Historical Prevalence of Conquest
- Primary Way to Acquire Wealth: For millennia, land was the main source of wealth and power, as it provided essential resources, agricultural capacity, and manpower. To become wealthier and more powerful, societies needed to acquire more territory.
- Formation of Empires: Major historical empires—such as the Roman, Mongol, Mughal, and British Empires—were built through extensive conquest and expansion. Nearly every modern nation is situated on land that was once conquered, often changing hands many times over centuries.
- Lack of Legal Prohibitions: Historically, there were limited normative or legal prohibitions against conquest. The concept of universal human rights and the rule of law as we know them today are relatively modern developments. Rulers often only needed to justify wars of conquest to their internal populations or to the religious authorities of the day, viewing people outside their "in-group" as legitimate targets.
- Constant Competition: Different groups, tribes, and nations were in a near-constant state of competition for resources, trade routes, and dominance, leading to frequent conflicts and shifting borders.
Modern Context
Conquest has become less common in the modern era due to significant shifts in international law and global norms, primarily after the devastation of the two World Wars.
- International Condemnation: The establishment of the League of Nations and later the United Nations led to the codification of laws that explicitly ban the acquisition of territory by force.
- Economic Shifts: Wealth generation has shifted from land acquisition to trade and industry. As peaceful trade became more profitable than war, the economic incentives for outright conquest diminished.
- Continued Instances: Despite the international consensus against it, acts of conquest still occur, such as the Russian annexation of Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine, or historical examples like the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the Indonesian invasion of East Timor. However, these acts are met with widespread international condemnation and sanctions, rather than being considered acceptable practice as they once were.
QuickHitCurepon
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teddyearp
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The Palestinians and Arabs want every Jew and Israeli dead, so what do you expect from Israel after 100 years of that in spite of holding out the olive branch over and over and over again?
QuickHitCurepon
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How could they do that?
QuickHitCurepon
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That is nonsense. Feel free to link to one story of Palestinians sending terrorists to the U.S. You can't.
GLASNOST
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Anyway, it's not true. Jews are people who believe in Judaism ..... Zionists are something else. I know the difference. The Arabs know the difference. The Hasbara shills on this forum do not know the difference and you can spot them from the first sentence in their forum posts.
Deadstick
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I find it unbelievable that Jewish people could carry out these SS style massacres they had suffered from themselves, in fact some of the perpetrators had themselves fled from such atrocities not long before in Eastern Europe.The Israelis didn't cause the Black Death, but it is important to understand that the Israelis have committed several horrible massacres of Palestinians. The Palestinians were also correct to protest Israel for all the Israeli pillaging and slaughter.
Deir Yassin Massacre (April 1948)
The Deir Yassin massacre was a massacre of at least 107 Palestinians. The victims included scores of children, women, and elders.
The massacre was committed by the Zionist militias groups in Palestine’s Deir Yassin town, near Jerusalem, on 9 April 1948. The carnage was carried out by Irgun and Stern Gang groups, led by Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, respectively. Both Begin and Shamir later became prime minister of Israel.
Deir Yassin | History, Israel, Palestinians, & Massacre | Britannica
Deir Yassin, Palestinian Arab village that was located just west of Jerusalem. On April 9, 1948, on the eve of the Arab-Israeli war of 1948–49, the village was destroyed by Jewish paramilitary forces in an attack that inspired fear and panic throughout the region. Deir Yassin was situated atop a
Abu Shusha Massacre (May 1948)
Abu Shusha was subjected to multiple assaults, culminating in the decisive attack that commenced on 13 May. Despite the valiant efforts of the village's residents to protect their homes, Abu Shusha fell to occupation on 14 May.
The initial assault was orchestrated by the Givati Brigade, leading to the tragic loss of approximately 60 residents
Abu Shusha massacre - Wikipedia
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Tantura Massacre (May 1948)
Tantura, a coastal fishing village with a population of around 1,500 people in 1945, was situated near Haifa. During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the village surrendered to Israeli forces. However, instead of a peaceful transition, Israeli forces launched an assault on the village, resulting in the tragic massacre of nearly 200 Palestinians.
Tantura massacre - Wikipedia
Lydda Massacre (July 1948)
Lydda and Ramle, two towns originally designated to be part of an Arab state in Palestine as per the UN Partition Plan of 1947, ultimately came under Israeli control. The Israeli assault on Lydda began on July 11, 1948.
The city's defenders initially put up a fierce resistance but eventually depleted their ammunition. Israeli forces entered the city in the evening, and upon gaining entry, they carried out indiscriminate violence, opening fire on anyone attempting to escape.
Israeli soldiers made deceptive assurances of safety, urging residents to remain in their homes or places of worship, only to betray those seeking refuge. By 12 July, the Israelis had secured complete control of the city, even though it had not formally surrendered. They ordered male residents to gather in mosques and churches, imposing a curfew. Heartbreakingly, both the Great Mosque and the Dahmash Mosque, where hundreds had sought shelter, became harrowing scenes of violence. While estimates of the death toll vary, it is believed that over 400 Lydda residents lost their lives. Unfortunately, the tragedy did not conclude with the massacre.
Palestinian expulsion from Lydda and Ramle - Wikipedia
Saliha Massacre (October 1948)
Saliha marked the first village where a massacre was perpetrated by the 7th Brigade of the Israeli forces. Upon their entry into the village, they detonated a mosque and tragically took the lives of 60 to 94 individuals who had sought refuge inside.
Saliha - Wikipedia
Al-Dawayima Massacre (October, 1948)
The massacre in the village of al-Dawayima is regarded as one of the major atrocities of the 1948 war, and arguably one of the most horrific. ...
In the mosque, 60 bodies were discovered, primarily those of elderly men, while numerous corpses of men, women, and children lay strewn across the streets. Additionally, the entrance to the Iraq Al-Zagh cavern held the bodies of 80 men, women, and children. Upon conducting a census, it was revealed that a total of 455 individuals lost their lives, consisting of 280 men and the rest women and children.
Al-Dawayima massacre - Wikipedia
Qibya Massacre (October 1953)
A force of 250 to 300 Israeli soldiers, under the leadership of Ariel Sharon, launched an assault on the village of Qibya in the West Bank, which was under Jordan's control at the time. This tragic event resulted in the loss of Palestinian civilian lives. Israeli forces used explosives to demolish dozens of buildings throughout the village, leading to the massacre of over 69 Palestinian villagers, with approximately two-thirds of the victims being women and children. The devastating attack also resulted in the destruction of 45 houses, a school, and a mosque.
Qibya massacre - Wikipedia
Kafr Qasim Massacre (October 1956)
On 29 October 1956, the Israeli government and military decided to enforce a curfew on the Arab villages near the border with Jordan. At 4:30pm on that day, a border police sergeant informed the mayor of Kafr Qasim that a curfew would be in effect starting at 5pm that evening. This presented a significant challenge as hundreds of villagers who had left their homes in the morning for work had no way of being aware of the curfew until they returned home.
Soldiers were instructed that they should "shoot to kill at any person seen outside their home after 17:00, making no distinction between men, women, and children."
When the villagers returned to their homes after 5 pm, border police halted them on the western side of the village. Soldiers required them to disembark from their vehicles, cars, or bicycles and began firing at them from close range. In just one hour, they ruthlessly killed 49 residents of Kafr Qasim, including children.
Kafr Qasim massacre - Wikipedia
Khan Yunis Massacre (November 1956)
The Khan Yunis massacre was perpetrated by Israeli forces in the Palestinian town of Khan Yunis and its adjacent refugee camp in the Gaza Strip during the Suez Crisis. This tragic event unfolded as part of an Israeli operation aimed at reopening the Egyptian-blockaded Straits of Tiran.
During the operation, Israeli soldiers conducted a brutal house-to-house search for fedayeen, resulting in the tragic shooting of approximately two hundred Palestinians in Khan Yunis and Rafah. This ruthless action led to the estimated loss of 275 to 400 Palestinian lives.
Khan Yunis massacre - Wikipedia
Sabra and Shatila Massacres (September 1982)
The massacres unfolded within the context of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in September 1982. Israeli forces had surrounded the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in West Beirut. The Israeli military authorized the entry of the right-wing Christian Phalangist militia, which was aligned with Israel, into the camps.
During a grim two-day span, from 16 to 18 September, the Phalangists executed a brutal operation that resulted in the loss of a substantial number of Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians, with nearly 3,000 lives tragically taken. This massacre triggered international outrage and stirred criticism within Israel.
The Kahan Commission determined that Israeli authorities bore indirect responsibility for the massacre, resulting in the resignation of Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon.
Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia
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You don’t understand anything about anything. You are definitely NOT intelligent Don’t expect ME to have any “ understanding “ when in ‘67 if every single Israeli were killed you and the Arab World would still be passing out Candy
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