Just like in the military, Special Forces in particular, you have to wait 6 months between attempts....and even then you're not going to be accepted automatically.
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Nice try but that was law enforcement and corrections.Wrong......."Firefighting candidates can re-take the Candidate Physical Abilities Test (CPAT) as often as they like."Seven times?Link to prove males aren't allowed to retake the test.
Candidate Frequently Asked Questions | National Testing Network
"NTN TestsPhysical Abilities Tests for Law Enforcement and Corrections
The Physical Abilities Test (PAT) includes four components: push-ups, sit-ups, 300 meter run and 1.5 mile run.
If a candidate does not feel that they have achieved a passing score on their PAT (each department sets their own passing points), they have the option of scheduling and paying for a re-test of the PAT. They will return to a testing location that allows re-tests and take the same PAT. Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results. Check the department requirements on this site or check with the departments you are applying to."
"Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results"
If men can't pass the test, standards should not be lower for women
If you change standards then there should be limits of what jobs women can have. Driving the truck, putting equipment in and out. Public education. Duties in the station. Office/radio calls and communication. If they can't carry the hose, use and ax to break a wall or carry a man down stairs, she has no business in the heat of the fire.
The fire won't lessen it's severity because the one fighting it is a female.
My house catches fire and I end up with a fractured skull and concussion because some dimwitted skirt HAD to be a firefighter and had to drag me down the stairs because she couldn't put me in a fireman's carry like a man could have, I'm suing.
Are you from NYC?
Some can, and if they can, should be allowed to. Standards should not change to make it easier for them to "hack it".We have female firefighters here at Ft Campbell. They seem to have no problem pulling their own weight. Some women simply can't hack it....like the woman in the OP.
Where is your proof, Marty? Why all the deflection? LINK to proof that only women are given multiple chances to pass a running test or any other kind of test.Bullshit. Why don't you call up NYFD and ask them how often one may test instead of acting like a moron?What falsehood do you refer to? And how many times did you fail the test?Referencing a general post, about "exams", not failing a specific part of the FDNY physical performance test....
If your position is so clear and obvious, why do you have to resort to falsehoods to defend it?
Using some message board post about some "fire department test" as "proof" that men have taken and failed multiple times (and still remained in the system) the specific test being referenced by the OP. That is the falsehood, you ignorant hack.
Your so called "proof" is bullshit. You passed it off as "proof" that men take the test over and over, implying the test in the OP, which it is clearly not about.
You are a fucking liar, and a bad one at that.
No, I don't see it as acceptable. I also don't see it as true. That's why I asked for a link, dimwit.And why would it be okay to fail the mental portion of the test repeatedly and not the physical. That is what you are implying. The test in the OP was about RUNNING.What falsehood do you refer to? And how many times did you fail the test?Referencing a general post, about "exams", not failing a specific part of the FDNY physical performance test....
If your position is so clear and obvious, why do you have to resort to falsehoods to defend it?
Using some message board post about some "fire department test" as "proof" that men have taken and failed multiple times (and still remained in the system) the specific test being referenced by the OP. That is the falsehood, you ignorant hack.
And your post has nothing to do with it. IF she has been given 7 chances, and men have not been given 7 chances, do you see that as acceptable?
Fucking Hack.
No, I don't see it as acceptable. I also don't see it as true. That's why I asked for a link, dimwit.And why would it be okay to fail the mental portion of the test repeatedly and not the physical. That is what you are implying. The test in the OP was about RUNNING.What falsehood do you refer to? And how many times did you fail the test?
Using some message board post about some "fire department test" as "proof" that men have taken and failed multiple times (and still remained in the system) the specific test being referenced by the OP. That is the falsehood, you ignorant hack.
And your post has nothing to do with it. IF she has been given 7 chances, and men have not been given 7 chances, do you see that as acceptable?
Fucking Hack.
Most applicants can't even get out of the academy without passing the running test. She did, and then was given 5 more tries to pass it.
and running for "link! link!" merely implies a desire not to debate the topic on merits, but to run away like a scared little twat.
Nope....it includes firefighters. I clicked on the link YOU provided, and firefighters were at the top of the list.Nice try but that was law enforcement and corrections.Wrong......."Firefighting candidates can re-take the Candidate Physical Abilities Test (CPAT) as often as they like."Seven times?Link to prove males aren't allowed to retake the test.
Candidate Frequently Asked Questions | National Testing Network
"NTN TestsPhysical Abilities Tests for Law Enforcement and Corrections
The Physical Abilities Test (PAT) includes four components: push-ups, sit-ups, 300 meter run and 1.5 mile run.
If a candidate does not feel that they have achieved a passing score on their PAT (each department sets their own passing points), they have the option of scheduling and paying for a re-test of the PAT. They will return to a testing location that allows re-tests and take the same PAT. Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results. Check the department requirements on this site or check with the departments you are applying to."
"Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results"
And here we have the left and their inability to understand truth, facts and reality, and their willingness to get people killed in order to satisfy their illness, which I have called "Reality Dyslexia."
New York Fire Department Gives Woman Seventh Chance On Running Test
The Fire Academy allowed Tapia to graduate in 2013 even though she muffed the relatively modest requirement to run 1.5 miles in 12 minutes. Prospective firefighters unlucky enough to have a phallus normally flunk out if they fail that test.
After clocking in most recently at just over 12 minutes, Tapia was assigned to light duty at FDNY headquarters and then to a Queens firehouse. She never actually worked a shift and seems to have spent most of her time trying to pass the test. But she failed again and again and again and again and again.
How far are they willing to drop standards in order to impose their screwed up view of reality on the world.....this far.....
Nigro has loosened the standards to allow prospective firefighters to graduate from the academy even if they failed a rigorous “functional skills test,” which required them to run an obstacle course while wearing an oxygen tank and completing job-related tasks. Now, good grades can compensate for failing to demonstrate basic firefighting abilities, like running up six flights of stairs and raising a latter.
Gee, that is reassuring. The woman firefighter who arrives at your burning building might not be able to climb up the stairs to rescue you. But she can have an intelligent conversation with residents who managed to escape outside.
Wow....can't wait to see what they have to do to get women into the infantry in the Army and Marines......
No, that would be you. You obviously didn't understand what you read.Nope....it includes firefighters. I clicked on the link YOU provided, and firefighters were at the top of the list.Nice try but that was law enforcement and corrections.Wrong......."Firefighting candidates can re-take the Candidate Physical Abilities Test (CPAT) as often as they like."Seven times?Link to prove males aren't allowed to retake the test.
Candidate Frequently Asked Questions | National Testing Network
"NTN TestsPhysical Abilities Tests for Law Enforcement and Corrections
The Physical Abilities Test (PAT) includes four components: push-ups, sit-ups, 300 meter run and 1.5 mile run.
If a candidate does not feel that they have achieved a passing score on their PAT (each department sets their own passing points), they have the option of scheduling and paying for a re-test of the PAT. They will return to a testing location that allows re-tests and take the same PAT. Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results. Check the department requirements on this site or check with the departments you are applying to."
"Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results"
I guess you forgot to read your own link.
Oh I understand it. It's just a matter of clicking on the links. Try clicking on the link for firefighter applicant requirements and it will take you to the exact quote I posted. According your link, firefighters take the same PAT as police and corrections officers.....and the standards and requirements are the same......unless you can find a separate requirement somewhere.No, that would be you. You obviously didn't understand what you read.Nope....it includes firefighters. I clicked on the link YOU provided, and firefighters were at the top of the list.Nice try but that was law enforcement and corrections.Wrong......."Firefighting candidates can re-take the Candidate Physical Abilities Test (CPAT) as often as they like."Seven times?
Candidate Frequently Asked Questions | National Testing Network
"NTN TestsPhysical Abilities Tests for Law Enforcement and Corrections
The Physical Abilities Test (PAT) includes four components: push-ups, sit-ups, 300 meter run and 1.5 mile run.
If a candidate does not feel that they have achieved a passing score on their PAT (each department sets their own passing points), they have the option of scheduling and paying for a re-test of the PAT. They will return to a testing location that allows re-tests and take the same PAT. Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results. Check the department requirements on this site or check with the departments you are applying to."
"Not all departments accept re-test PAT results. Some departments require 6 months between submitting PAT results"
I guess you forgot to read your own link.