Israel's vast military has no power over its greatest threat.

"Mixed marriage" is outlawed in Israel. Gender of the parties doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.
Nor is a Palestinian allowed to buy land, and many other disabilities identified by Abunimah.

This talk is worth 1-1/2 hours investment.

I've known this for over 30 years.
Repeat after me...
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.

A Palestinian isn't allowed to buy land? Until she explains and stops defending Abbas Racist Apartheid Policy of NJA/ No Israelis Allowed we should just let her explode. :lol: Israel is the JEWISH HOMELAND you Racist. Deal with it. . :D
 
That is absolutely not true. You don't know what apartheid means, I take it.

OK, will post a new thread.

Actually, it's you who does not know what apartheid means.

I think this Mandela guy knew what Apartheid in South Africa was. This was written by an Israel firster, do you believe him?

"In 1990, Mandela likened Israel to a “terrorist state” and declared that “we do not regard the PLO as a terrorist organization. If one has to refer to any parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied territories”.

"In Mandela’s twisted version, Israel and South Africa - both, in his view, under apartheid rule - were small bastions of Western interests surrounded by a larger and non-Western people; both governed hostile majorities, using force and denying rights to subjugate them; both were run by nationalistic, racist governments unwilling to grant rights to these people but anxious to exploit labor.

Mandela Was an Enemy of Israel - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva
 
That is absolutely not true. You don't know what apartheid means, I take it.

OK, will post a new thread.

Actually, it's you who does not know what apartheid means.

I think this Mandela guy knew what Apartheid in South Africa was. This was written by an Israel firster, do you believe him?

"In 1990, Mandela likened Israel to a “terrorist state” and declared that “we do not regard the PLO as a terrorist organization. If one has to refer to any parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied territories”.

"In Mandela’s twisted version, Israel and South Africa - both, in his view, under apartheid rule - were small bastions of Western interests surrounded by a larger and non-Western people; both governed hostile majorities, using force and denying rights to subjugate them; both were run by nationalistic, racist governments unwilling to grant rights to these people but anxious to exploit labor.

Mandela Was an Enemy of Israel - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Now I think this man who himself fought Apartheid in South Africa would know what Apartheid is really like. And let us not forget that not too recently the daughter of a South Africa leader also said there is no Apartheid in Israel. And no matter how many times Haniya and gang bring up their Apartheid shtick, they can't be that dumb enough not to realize how non Muslims are treated in the Muslim world.

REV. MALCOLM HEDDING: THE GROSS LIE OF ?ISRAELI APARTHEID?- FROM ONE WHO EXPERIENCED THE REAL THING | RUTHFULLY YOURS
 
Complaints have been voiced that the video is over 1-1/2 hours long. I want to be able to discuss the content of the video without resort to "who said that" type comments on the part of those who will not watch the video.

So I offered to write a synopsis of the relevant parts of Ali Abunimah’s talk at University of Washington, to serve as a framework for discussing the ideas he puts forward.
Abunimah analyzes Israel’s insistence on Palestinian acceptance of Israel’s right to exist “as a Jewish state.” He quotes Netanyahu:
"The reason there is no peace is because the Palestinians will not accept Israel as a Jewish state.”
He analyzes this statement. There is a foundational legal principle that each right has a reciprocal remedy. There must be a court of recourse if a right is violated. If Israel has a right to maintain its Jewish character, e.g. a Jewish demographic majority (ignoring the fact that the Jewish majority was created by an act of expulsion) how could a violation of that right be redressed? What factors operate to violate or undermine Israel’s right to remain Jewish?

1) Threat - The existence of refugees and their assertion of a right to return home.
Remedy – The Palestinian right of return is abrogated.
But this does not protect Israel’s right to remain Jewish for very long because of….

2) Threat - Currently Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Territories comprise ½ of the total population of Israel. The greatest threat to Israel’s right to remain Jewish is the Palestinian birth rate. The birth of non-Jewish babies is seen by Israel as an assault on its Jewishness. Golda Meir said she often could not sleep because of worry about how many Arab babies were being born overnight.
Remedy - Expulsion, destruction of homes, possible restraining orders to limit births.

All the above remedies do outrageous violence to human rights, yet all have either been done, or are under discussion as possible future options for Israel to undertake.

Characterizations of Israel as an apartheid state are denounced as “mean” by pro-Zionists. Zionists retort that this accusation is “outrageous” because Israeli Arabs have the vote. Abunimah points out that in Israel civil rights are not based on citizenship, and citizenship confers no rights on Arabs. He describes Israel as the only country that does not recognize its own nationality. He points out that in Israel’s population registry, the ethnicity of all citizens (Jewish, Arab, Druze, etc.) is recorded. Some Jewish Israelis have since 1970 begun asking to have their denotation as “Jewish” replaced by a designation as “Israeli.” In September of 2013 the Israeli supreme court ruled that
"There is no such thing as an Israeli nationality separate from the Jewish people. To recognize such a thing would jeopardize the Jewish and democratic character of the state.”
In other words, if rights began to be conferred based on citizenship rather than membership in an ethnic group, either Israel’s Jewishness or its democracy would have to be abrogated.

Abunimah goes on to identify other serious restrictions on the rights of Palestinian citizens of Israel. The first he mentions concerns land ownership. When Palestinians were dispossessed during and after 1948, much of the land taken went to the Jewish National Fund. The JNF charter stipulates that it can only lease or sell land to Jews. Palestinians are not allowed to buy land, much like the restrictive covenants of the pre-civil rights America that forbade whites to sell real estate to blacks. Rabbis who are state employees have publicly called on Jews not to rent to Arabs, and in the length of Israel’s history it has not built a single establishment of any kind for Palestinians inside Israel.

The second disability the Israeli legal system places on Arab citizens is that of marriage inequality in Israel. There is no civil marriage in Israel. All marriages must be contracted under Jewish establishment, or they are not recognized under Israeli law. In 2003 a law was passed making it illegal for an Israeli to marry a Palestinian (or by extension in 2012, any other Arab). This almost exactly parallels the anti-miscegenation laws of the pre-civil rights United States, and of apartheid South Africa. He quotes Israeli supreme court justice Asher Grunis:
"Human rights are not a prescription for national suicide. The right to a family life does not have to be realized within the borders of Israel."

and compares Grunis to David Millan of South Africa in 1953:
"Equality must inevitably mean to the white man nothing less than national suicide."

The two state solution Abunimah characterizes as an effort to conceal racism and legitimize it. Many supporters have been comfortable about ending the occupation but cannot accept Palestinian rights, including especially the right of return. Peter Beinart is an allegedly liberal Zionist and supporter of the two state solution.
I am not asking Israel to be utopian. I am not asking it to allow Palestinians who were forced or or fled in 1948 to return to their homes. I am not even asking it to allow full equal citizenship to Arab Israeli since that would require Israel to no longer be a Jewish state. I am actually pretty willing to compromise my liberalism for Israel’s security and for its status as a Jewish state.

Beinart embraces a Palestinian state not out of any concern for Palestinian rights or justice, but solely to legitimize the removal of Palestinians.

Ehud Barak, former prime minister famously said,
“us over here, them over there.”
This is apartheid. This is what South Africa tried in the 1970s and 1980s with the bantustans, which were nominally independent black puppet regimes. The idea was that when South Africa was criticized they could retort “What are you talking about? This is self-determination. This tribe has its own state, this other tribe has its own state, and the whites are just another tribe with their own state.’

Abunimah says the only way to end this grotesque state is by “de-colonialism.” The relationship between Palestinians and Jews is not two-sided. It is a colonial relationship in which Israeli Jews hold by design an almost total monopoly on power, resources, and control. In Gaza 1.7 million Palestinians are caged, all supplies must come through one crossing, and Israel controls it and can open and close it on a whim. There has been a calculated, systematic destruction of Gaza’s economy in order to reduce Gaza to total dependence on Israel and on international aid. And if they resistant in any way, bomb the heck out of them.

When the destruction of Israeli apartheid is proposed, some will respond “Israeli Jews will never accept …” Abunimah characterizes this attitude as bigotry, pointing out that whites accepted equality in South Africa, in the American South, and Protestants accepted equality in Northern Ireland. But it will require a fundamental shift in the balance of power. How will this be achieved …. Through dialogue?

While Israel builds settlements and steals land, and besieges Gaza and Passes ever more racist laws? Israel loves the peace process because in 20 years of negotiations Israel has almost tripled the numbers of settlers on Palestinian land, and the disparities in wealth and well being have only gotten wider.

The other alternative is to make Israel feel that there is a price to be paid for maintaining the status quo. This is the logic of the BDS campaign launched in 2005.

Only serious comments will be entertained by me, folks, so put on your thinking caps.
 
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Complaints have been voiced that the video is over 1-1/2 hours long. I want to be able to discuss the content of the video without resort to "who said that" type comments on the part of those who will not watch the video.

So I offered to write a synopsis of the relevant parts of Ali Abunimah’s talk at University of Washington, to serve as a framework for discussing the ideas he puts forward.
Abunimah analyzes Israel’s insistence on Palestinian acceptance of Israel’s right to exist “as a Jewish state.” He quotes Netanyahu:
The reason there is no peace is because the Palestinians will not accept Israel as a Jewish state.”
He analyzes this statement. There is a foundational legal principle that each right has a reciprocal remedy. There must be a court of recourse if a right is violated. If Israel has a right to maintain its Jewish character, e.g. a Jewish demographic majority (ignoring the fact that the Jewish majority was created by an act of expulsion) how could a violation of that right be redressed? What factors operate to violate or undermine Israel’s right to remain Jewish?

1) Threat - The existence of refugees and their assertion of a right to return home.
Remedy – The Palestinian right of return is abrogated.
But this does not protect Israel’s right to remain Jewish for very long because of….

2) Threat - Currently Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Territories comprise ½ of the total population of Israel. The greatest threat to Israel’s right to remain Jewish is the Palestinian birth rate. The birth of non-Jewish babies is seen by Israel as an assault on its Jewishness. Golda Meir said she often could not sleep because of worry about how many Arab babies were being born overnight.
Remedy - Expulsion, destruction of homes, possible restraining orders to limit births.

All the above remedies do outrageous violence to human rights, yet all have either been done, or are under discussion as possible future options for Israel to undertake.

Characterizations of Israel as an apartheid state are denounced as “mean” by pro-Zionists. Zionists retort that this accusation is “outrageous” because Israeli Arabs have the vote. Abunimah points out that in Israel civil rights are not based on citizenship, and citizenship confers no rights on Arabs. He describes Israel as the only country that does not recognize its own nationality. He points out that in Israel’s population registry, the ethnicity of all citizens (Jewish, Arab, Druze, etc.) is recorded. Some Jewish Israelis have since 1970 begun asking to have their denotation as “Jewish” replaced by a designation as “Israeli.” In September of 2013 the Israeli supreme court ruled that
There is no such thing as an Israeli nationality separate from the Jewish people. To recognize such a thing would jeopardize the Jewish and democratic character of the state.”
In other words, if rights began to be conferred based on citizenship rather than membership in an ethnic group, either Israel’s Jewishness or its democracy would have to be abrogated.

Abunimah goes on to identify other serious restrictions on the rights of Palestinian citizens of Israel. The first he mentions concerns land ownership. When Palestinians were dispossessed during and after 1948, much of the land taken went to the Jewish National Fund. The JVF charter stipulates that it can only lease or sell land to Jews. Palestinians are not allowed to buy land, much like the restrictive covenants of the pre-civil rights America. Rabbis who are state employees have publicly called on Jews not to rent to Arabs, and in the length of Israel’s history it has not built a single establishment of any kind for Palestinians inside Israel.

The second disability the Israeli legal system places on Arab citizens is that of marriage inequality in Israel. There is no civil marriage in Israel. All marriages must be contracted under Jewish establishment, or they are not recognized under Israeli law. In 2003 a law was passed making it illegal for a Jew to marry a Palestinian (or by extension in 2012, any other Arab). This almost exactly parallels the anti-miscegenation laws of the pre-civil rights United States, and of apartheid South Africa. He quotes Israeli supreme court justice Asher Grunis:


and compares Grunis to David Millan of South Africa in 1953:
Equality must inevitably mean to the white man nothing less than national suicide.

The two state solution Abunimah characterizes as an effort to conceal racism and legitimize it. Many supports have been comfortable about ending the occupation but cannot accept Palestinian rights, including especially the right of return. Peter Beinart is an allegedly liberal Zionist and supporter of the two state solution.
I am not asking Israel to be utopian. I am not asking it to allow Palestinians who were forced or or fled in 1948 to return to their homes. I am not even asking it to allow full equal citizenship to Arab Israeli since that would require Israel to no longer be a Jewish state. I am actually pretty willing to compromise my liberalism for Israel’s security and for its status as a Jewish state.

Beinart embraces a Palestinian state not out of any concern for Palestinian rights or justice, but solely to legitimize the removal of Palestinians.

Ehud Barak, former prime minister said, “us over here, them over there.” This is apartheid. This is what South Africa tried in the 1970s and 1980s with the bantustans, which were nominally independent black puppet regimes. The idea was that when South Africa was criticized they could retort “What are you talking about? This is self-determination. This tribe has its own state, this other tribe has its own state, and the whites are just another tribe with their own state.’

Abunimah says the only way to end this grotesque state is by “de-colonialism.” The relationship between Palestinians and Jews is not two-sided. It is a colonial relationship in which Israeli Jews hold by design an almost total monopoly on power, resources, and control. In Gaza 1.7 million Palestinians are caged, all supplies must come through one crossing, and Israel controls it and can open and close it on a whim. There has been a calculated, systematic destruction of Gaza’s economy in order to reduce Gaza to total dependence on Israel and on international aid. And if they resistant in any way, bomb the heck out of them.

When the destruction of Israeli apartheid is proposed, some will respond “Israeli Jews will never accept …” Abunimah characterizes this attitude as bigotry, pointing out that whites accepted equality in South Africa, in the American South, and Protestants accepted equality in Northern Ireland. But it will require a fundamental shift in the balance of power. How will this be achieved …. Through dialogue?

While Israel builds settlements and steals land, and besieges Gaza and Passes ever more racist laws? Israel loves the peace process because in 20 years of negotiations Israel has almost tripled the numbers of settlers on Palestinian land, and the disparities in wealth and well being have only gotten wider.

The other alternative is to make Israel feel that there is a price to be paid for maintaining the status quo. This is the logic of the BDS campaign launched in 2005.

Only serious comments will be entertained by me, folks, so put on your thinking caps.

One wonders why people like the two Amity treat this as a full time job, but care nothing about all the other innocents being murdered by their brethrens. This certainly most be a full time job for them, so the viewers are smart enough to put on their thinking caps and figure why this is.
 
Is apartheid not treating citizens like non-citizens.
Why can non-Jews serve in the Knesset?
Why didn't Arafat then, and Abbas now, use the billions to build an infrastructure for the Arabs.
The Israeli government did not route these funds away from the Arabs did, Arab "leaders" did.
An opportunity lost thanks to Arab "leadership".

But I'm sure you'll find some video that claims that Arafat was a Jew or was bribed by the Rothchilds.
Well, since EVERYBODY seems to bought out by the Jews, Islam is obviously a lost cause whose only solution seems to be war.
 
"Mixed marriage" is outlawed in Israel. Gender of the parties doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.
Nor is a Palestinian allowed to buy land, and many other disabilities identified by Abunimah.

This talk is worth 1-1/2 hours investment.

I've known this for over 30 years.
Repeat after me...
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.
Israel is a JEWISH State.

A Palestinian isn't allowed to buy land? Until she explains and stops defending Abbas Racist Apartheid Policy of NJA/ No Israelis Allowed we should just let her explode. :lol: Israel is the JEWISH HOMELAND you Racist. Deal with it. . :D

So many lies and disinformation spread as fact and they just keep smearing it round, again and again, even after it has been debunked.

Sad the depths people descend to in hate

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Is apartheid not treating citizens like non-citizens.
Why can non-Jews serve in the Knesset?
Why didn't Arafat then, and Abbas now, use the billions to build an infrastructure for the Arabs.
The Israeli government did not route these funds away from the Arabs did, Arab "leaders" did.
An opportunity lost thanks to Arab "leadership".

But I'm sure you'll find some video that claims that Arafat was a Jew or was bribed by the Rothchilds.
Well, since EVERYBODY seems to bought out by the Jews, Islam is obviously a lost cause whose only solution seems to be war.

I have no idea what you are blathering on about actually, but did you read my summary? Or did you watch the video? and what is your take? Israeli citizenship, according to Abunimah, does not confer civil rights. You can sit on the Knesset, but your basic rights to (for example) buy land and marry are abrogated.
 
So many lies and disinformation spread as fact and they just keep smearing it round, again and again, even after it has been debunked.

Sad the depths people descend to in hate

yes, Aris, how awful, why do you do it?
If Abunimah's characterization of recent Israeli legislation, supreme court rulings, etc. is correct, then we have another South Africa on our hands for sure and that regime will have to be overthrown before peace becomes possible.
 
Is apartheid not treating citizens like non-citizens.
Why can non-Jews serve in the Knesset?
Why didn't Arafat then, and Abbas now, use the billions to build an infrastructure for the Arabs.
The Israeli government did not route these funds away from the Arabs did, Arab "leaders" did.
An opportunity lost thanks to Arab "leadership".

But I'm sure you'll find some video that claims that Arafat was a Jew or was bribed by the Rothchilds.
Well, since EVERYBODY seems to bought out by the Jews, Islam is obviously a lost cause whose only solution seems to be war.

I have no idea what you are blathering on about actually, but did you read my summary? Or did you watch the video? and what is your take? Israeli citizenship, according to Abunimah, does not confer civil rights. You can sit on the Knesset, but your basic rights to (for example) buy land and marry are abrogated.

Say, by chance do your have that video of that Arab woman doctor who is head of a department in an Israeli hospital. Since you have tons of videos and I am too lazy to look for it, surely you have that one too. No doubt many of us have seen picture after picture of Arabs doing many things in Israel with the titles "Is This Apartheid." Evidenty the Amity girls just skip over these.
 
I think this Mandela guy knew what Apartheid in South Africa was. This was written by an Israel firster, do you believe him?

"In 1990, Mandela likened Israel to a “terrorist state” and declared that “we do not regard the PLO as a terrorist organization. If one has to refer to any parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied territories”.

"In Mandela’s twisted version, Israel and South Africa - both, in his view, under apartheid rule - were small bastions of Western interests surrounded by a larger and non-Western people; both governed hostile majorities, using force and denying rights to subjugate them; both were run by nationalistic, racist governments unwilling to grant rights to these people but anxious to exploit labor.

Mandela Was an Enemy of Israel - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Yes, I definitely do believe him. The new legislation convinces me totally. Until today I thought Israeli policies were "apartheid-like." Now I believe it is flat out apartheid pure and simple.
 
Is apartheid not treating citizens like non-citizens.
Why can non-Jews serve in the Knesset?
Why didn't Arafat then, and Abbas now, use the billions to build an infrastructure for the Arabs.
The Israeli government did not route these funds away from the Arabs did, Arab "leaders" did.
An opportunity lost thanks to Arab "leadership".

But I'm sure you'll find some video that claims that Arafat was a Jew or was bribed by the Rothchilds.
Well, since EVERYBODY seems to bought out by the Jews, Islam is obviously a lost cause whose only solution seems to be war.

I have no idea what you are blathering on about actually, but did you read my summary? Or did you watch the video? and what is your take? Israeli citizenship, according to Abunimah, does not confer civil rights. You can sit on the Knesset, but your basic rights to (for example) buy land and marry are abrogated.

I read your summary.
You and your very few cohorts keep redefining apartheid.
Is apartheid mass murder? It seems that's Monte's take.
Did South Africa allow Blacks their own land and their own chances for success? No.
Did Israel do so with the West Bank Jordanians? Yes.
Who killed the WBJs future? Arafat then, Abbas now, and you keep blaming the Jooos.

You can post all the revisionists you want but in the end of all the Arab corruption, the solution has to result in the annihilation of the enemy.
I believe it's in God's hands.
 
I think this Mandela guy knew what Apartheid in South Africa was. This was written by an Israel firster, do you believe him?

"In 1990, Mandela likened Israel to a “terrorist state” and declared that “we do not regard the PLO as a terrorist organization. If one has to refer to any parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied territories”.

"In Mandela’s twisted version, Israel and South Africa - both, in his view, under apartheid rule - were small bastions of Western interests surrounded by a larger and non-Western people; both governed hostile majorities, using force and denying rights to subjugate them; both were run by nationalistic, racist governments unwilling to grant rights to these people but anxious to exploit labor.

Mandela Was an Enemy of Israel - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Yes, I definitely do believe him. The new legislation convinces me totally. Until today I thought Israeli policies were "apartheid-like." Now I believe it is flat out apartheid pure and simple.

Interesting.
When Mandela died the overwhelming majority of the Jewish world mourned him and were greatly saddened at how his sound bites were used to paint such an ugly picture of the man.

But then again, what do the do Jews know?
We only have like the highest literacy rate on the planet.
 
I read your summary.
You and your very few cohorts keep redefining apartheid.
Is apartheid mass murder? It seems that's Monte's take.
Did South Africa allow Blacks their own land and their own chances for success? No.
Did Israel do so with the West Bank Jordanians? Yes.
Who killed the WBJs future? Arafat then, Abbas now, and you keep blaming the Jooos.

You can post all the revisionists you want but in the end of all the Arab corruption, the solution has to result in the annihilation of the enemy.
I believe it's in God's hands.

So then you are advocating genocide.
Fire up the crematoria, then, we aren't backing down.
But don't blame God. Its your choice.
 
I read your summary.
You and your very few cohorts keep redefining apartheid.
Is apartheid mass murder? It seems that's Monte's take.
Did South Africa allow Blacks their own land and their own chances for success? No.
Did Israel do so with the West Bank Jordanians? Yes.
Who killed the WBJs future? Arafat then, Abbas now, and you keep blaming the Jooos.

You can post all the revisionists you want but in the end of all the Arab corruption, the solution has to result in the annihilation of the enemy.
I believe it's in God's hands.

So then you are advocating genocide.
Fire up the crematoria, then, we aren't backing down.
But don't blame God. Its your choice.

The ones who are committing genocide are your Muslim bretren, so you really are not fooling anyone intelligent by saying that Israel is committing genocide. Your "Palestinian" friends have grown by leaps and bounds, but your Sunni Muslim friends are getting rid of all the Shia and Ahmadiyya in Pakistan by suicide and car bombing them. I guess the two thousand Christians murdered in the Sudan are nothing to you. If you can't blame the Jews, your eyes are closed.
 
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you need to head out for the Mideast forum with that question. We are talking about Israel/Palestine.



can a Palestinian girl marry a Jewish man then ?
Not and remain in Israel. If they want to marry they have to live somewhere else. Same if the man is Palestinian and woman Israeli.
 
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you need to head out for the Mideast forum with that question. We are talking about Israel/Palestine.



can a Palestinian girl marry a Jewish man then ?

Not and remain in Israel. If they want to marry they have to live somewhere else. Same if the man is Israeli and the woman Palestinian.

However, there are Palestinian men who pull that Love Jihad on Jewish girls; and many times the Jewish girls are rescued by some organization who gets them out of their Arab villages because of the terrible abuse by the husbands.
 
I knew over a dozen Israeli Jews living in the Arab world because married to an Arab, so I guess that is the way it has always been. Do you all know Israeli Jews who are married to Arabs and living in Israel? I wonder how they are affected by this. Grandfathered in? Note Mahmoud Darwish and his love Rita (Tamar) couldn't make it work.
 
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Is apartheid not treating citizens like non-citizens.
Why can non-Jews serve in the Knesset?
Abunimah's point is that citizenship does not confer civil rights in Israel. Civil rights are based on Jewishness, not Israeli citizenship.
Why didn't Arafat then, and Abbas now, use the billions to build an infrastructure for the Arabs.
Because there are much more important needs right now I'm sure.
But I'm sure you'll find some video that claims that Arafat was a Jew or was bribed by the Rothchilds.

Only Israel makes idiotic videos like that and then tried to attribute them to Palestinians.
Well, since EVERYBODY seems to bought out by the Jews, Islam is obviously a lost cause whose only solution seems to be war.

I have no idea what you are blathering on about actually, but did you read my summary? Or did you watch the video? and what is your take? Israeli citizenship, according to Abunimah, does not confer civil rights. You can sit on the Knesset, but your basic rights to (for example) buy land and marry are abrogated.
I read your summary.
You and your very few cohorts keep redefining apartheid.
Is apartheid mass murder? It seems that's Monte's take.
Well, I don't know about Monte, but apartheid has a formal definition. Its an Afrikaaner word (Afrikaans was the dialect of Dutch that developed in South Africa) for "apartness." That is literally what it means. so apartheid isn't mistreatment or racism or rudeness, what it IS is a legal and social system that keeps two peoples apart formally. It has to do with the inability of one group to buy land, or marry freely, etc. All these laws are designed to preserve the Jewishness of Israel just like the South African version was designed to preserve the whiteness of South Africa ... by keeping the blacks "somewhere else." The American version of apartheid was Jim Crow laws.
Did South Africa allow Blacks their own land and their own chances for success? No.
Did Israel do so with the West Bank Jordanians? Yes.
No, you have been misinformed. Israel does everything to hamstring both its Palestinian citizens and the Palestinians in the occupied territories to make it impossible for them to make a living. SO THEY'LL LEAVE.
Who killed the WBJs future? Arafat then, Abbas now, and you keep blaming the Jooos.
I am figuring WBJ means West Bank something, but the J obviously isn't "Jews" so I don't know what it means, sorry. Brain fart.
You can post all the revisionists you want but in the end of all the Arab corruption, the solution has to result in the annihilation of the enemy.
I believe it's in God's hands.
So after it is all over we'll try you for war crimes and you'll be embarrassed.
 
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