Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[dnsmith35]

Who's a credible authority on politics and the Middle East in your opinion?

No one can top Bibi.

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Actually, Israel should have been formed 20 odd years earlier as the British Mandate called for a Jewish State and a "Palistinian" state. Trans Jordan was created to be the parent nation of the Palestinian State.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No one can top Bibi.

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Actually, Israel should have been formed 20 odd years earlier as the British Mandate called for a Jewish State and a "Palistinian" state. Trans Jordan was created to be the parent nation of the Palestinian State.

...the British Mandate called for a Jewish State and a "Palistinian" state.

No it didn't.

 

[SAYIT]

Who's a credible authority on politics and the Middle East in your opinion?

No one can top Bibi.

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Chumpsky makes a vald point (even a blind squirel stumbles across the occasional berry) but as is his penchant, adds an anti-American twist.
In this case, "America's oil interests" is made to sound like "evil America" when the fact is the world depends on a steady stream of affordable oil. Protecting the Mideast conduit falls on the US because nobody else on the planet can do it and if we can use Israel in any way, we should do so.

 

[SAYIT]

Why aren't all citizens of Area C allowed to vote in Israeli elections since they live under Israeli laws and pay Israeli taxes?

Non-citizen residents of all countries live under the their hosts laws and pay taxes to that country yet do not vote. The question is your obsession with the fact that this is also Israel's policy.
Is there a reason (as if we don't know) why you are fixated on Israel?

Do we agree that Area C is NOT part of the country called Israel?

You failed to answer my question before positing another of your own, Princess. That's so typical of you but I will, nonetheless, answer yours: Not yet.
So why are you fixated on Israel?

 

[SAYIT]

Do we agree that Area C is NOT part of the country called Israel?

not yet-----borders change incessantly in the real world. I am not even sure in which "COUNTRY" my great grand parents were born-----all I know is ---somewhere in the AUSTRIAN HAPSBURG EMPIRE ---because the borders changed so much and they spoke a few languages including Yiddish The borders of modern Israel were never established because islamo nazi pigs would not recognize the existence of Israel In fact CITIZENSHIPS change too According to the nuremburg laws jews essentially had no citizen ship In the islamo nazi pig country MALDIVES all people who refuse to lick the dung of the rapist pig or arabia ---LOST THEIR CITIZENSHIP Be patient soon the borders will be established

I'm sure your great grand parents were born prior to 1949, right?

"The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention and abbreviated as GCIV, is one of the four treaties of the Geneva Conventions.

"It was adopted in August 1949, and defines humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone, and outlaws the practice of total war. There are currently 194 countries party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, including this fourth treaty but also including the other three."

Fourth Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel has no legal right to annex Area C, regardless of your constant stream of deflections about the MALDIVES and other assorted Muslim crimes.

Israel has not annexed Area C so why are you whining about this, Princess?

 

[SAYIT]

Citizens of Yemen are routinely assassinated by "very decent" officials in the US Government.
Why aren't you complaining about that filth?
Would that prove up$etting to your ha$bara handler$?

The USA assassinated one person in Yemen who was himself a murderer and inspired american jihadist pigs to murder in the USA to your delight Some assassinations are celebrated by decent people Your statement "Citizens of Yemen are routinely assassinated by "very decent" officials in the US Government." is an ISLAMONAZI SHIT CLAW LIE and galvanized by the ideology of the rapist murdering child molesting pig of arabia who himself died of the POISON fed him by a brave jewish heroine

"RELATIVES OF three American citizens who were killed last autumn by US drone attacks in Yemen have filed a lawsuit against Central Intelligence Agency and military officials, in the first constitutional challenge to the Obama administration’s widespread use of such weapons to assassinate presumed enemies."

Families of US victims sue over drone strike on Yemen - The Irish Times - Fri, Jul 20, 2012

Muslims from Pakistan to Yemen are routinely murdered by US drones.
Soon the New Evil Empire will no longer be able to borrow enough money to continue killing innocent Muslims on the opposite side of the planet.
Will you then apologize for the routine murders of innocent Catholics in Mexico?

It seems clear you are not one of us but in the event that you are, why not consider moving to a place where you can be less disgusted? I mean, who would want to live with the hate that boils your head every day?

 

[Sundowner47]

Citizens of Yemen are routinely assassinated by "very decent" officials in the US Government.
Why aren't you complaining about that filth?
Would that prove up$etting to your ha$bara handler$?

The USA assassinated one person in Yemen who was himself a murderer and inspired american jihadist pigs to murder in the USA to your delight Some assassinations are celebrated by decent people Your statement "Citizens of Yemen are routinely assassinated by "very decent" officials in the US Government." is an ISLAMONAZI SHIT CLAW LIE and galvanized by the ideology of the rapist murdering child molesting pig of arabia who himself died of the POISON fed him by a brave jewish heroine

I suspect he took something Noam Chomsky said and took it to heart. Noam Chomsky is an expert on linguistics and a dumbass about the middle east and politics. It takes a certain kind of ignorance to believe anything he says.

holy shit!!!!!!!!! spoken like a puerile imbecile...Chomsky lived in Israel you impossible simpleton...he has kept abreast of the political and military situation for 60 years you unfathomable mental defective...

 

[SAYIT]

The USA assassinated one person in Yemen who was himself a murderer and inspired american jihadist pigs to murder in the USA to your delight Some assassinations are celebrated by decent people Your statement "Citizens of Yemen are routinely assassinated by "very decent" officials in the US Government." is an ISLAMONAZI SHIT CLAW LIE and galvanized by the ideology of the rapist murdering child molesting pig of arabia who himself died of the POISON fed him by a brave jewish heroine

I suspect he took something Noam Chomsky said and took it to heart. Noam Chomsky is an expert on linguistics and a dumbass about the middle east and politics. It takes a certain kind of ignorance to believe anything he says.

holy shit!!!!!!!!! spoken like a puerile imbecile...Chomsky lived in Israel you impossible simpleton...he has kept abreast of the political and military situation for 60 years you unfathomable mental defective...

Congrats, asshole! You have slipped from "sucking off goats" to "off the scale" which, I believe, is an even lower rating but doesn't sound as disgusting.
Personally, I believe you are both "off the scale" and "sucking off goats."

 

[georgephillip]

No one can top Bibi.

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Actually, Israel should have been formed 20 odd years earlier as the British Mandate called for a Jewish State and a "Palistinian" state. Trans Jordan was created to be the parent nation of the Palestinian State.

Actually, all citizens of voting age in 1948 Mandate Palestine should have decided their fates at the ballot box. Instead, one-third of the citizens inflicted a Jewish State by force of arms upon the majority.
This was done largely to facilitate western control of Arab oil resources and stimulate arms sales, primarily in the US and UK.

 

[georgephillip]

No one can top Bibi.

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Chumpsky makes a vald point (even a blind squirel stumbles across the occasional berry) but as is his penchant, adds an anti-American twist.
In this case, "America's oil interests" is made to sound like "evil America" when the fact is the world depends on a steady stream of affordable oil. Protecting the Mideast conduit falls on the US because nobody else on the planet can do it and if we can use Israel in any way, we should do so.

Do you know enough History to realize that when Chomsky was a young man Zionism meant opposition to a Jewish state? That it wasn't until 1942 that the Zionist movement came out officially in favor of a Jewish state?

"America's oil interests" refers to US control over who receives Middle East oil and how much they are entitled to. This has been true since the 1950s when the US supplied all its own domestic oil needs.

Those like Chomsky realized a Jewish state would be used as a cop on the beat to enforce "America's oil interests", and such a state would be discriminatory and racist.

 

[georgephillip]

Non-citizen residents of all countries live under the their hosts laws and pay taxes to that country yet do not vote. The question is your obsession with the fact that this is also Israel's policy.
Is there a reason (as if we don't know) why you are fixated on Israel?

Do we agree that Area C is NOT part of the country called Israel?

You failed to answer my question before positing another of your own, Princess. That's so typical of you but I will, nonetheless, answer yours: Not yet.
So why are you fixated on Israel?

When you say "(n)on-citizen residents of all countries"... you are implying Area C exists within a country called Israel. It doesn't. Area C is illegally occupied territory, and the Arab civilians living there are not the non-citizen residents; that would be the Jews. Again.

Why are you obsessed with placing Jewish interests over US interests?

 

[SAYIT]

Do we agree that Area C is NOT part of the country called Israel?

You failed to answer my question before positing another of your own, Princess. That's so typical of you but I will, nonetheless, answer yours: Not yet.
So why are you fixated on Israel?

When you say "(n)on-citizen residents of all countries"... you are implying Area C exists within a country called Israel. It doesn't. Area C is illegally occupied territory, and the Arab civilians living there are not the non-citizen residents; that would be the Jews. Again.

Why are you obsessed with placing Jewish interests over US interests?

This discussion has little to do with American interests (and I'll take your response to be an admission that you are obessed with Israel to the exclusion of virtually all other things) but you still haven't answered my question:
Why are you obessed with Israel?
BTW, Area C is disputed territory which is currently part of no country (because there is no "Palestine"), and is inhabited by both Israelis (who can vote in Israeli elections) and non-Israelis (who cannot vote in Israeli elections).
You are among the most dense posters I have ever encountered.
Keep up the good work.

 

[SAYIT]

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Actually, Israel should have been formed 20 odd years earlier as the British Mandate called for a Jewish State and a "Palistinian" state. Trans Jordan was created to be the parent nation of the Palestinian State.

Actually, all citizens of voting age in 1948 Mandate Palestine should have decided their fates at the ballot box. Instead, one-third of the citizens inflicted a Jewish State by force of arms upon the majority.
This was done largely to facilitate western control of Arab oil resources and stimulate arms sales, primarily in the US and UK.

You seem to be admitting that in 1948 we acted in what we saw to be our best interests while simultaneously complaining that we did so.

 

[SAYIT]

Chomsky and Bibi agree on Israel's role in US foreign policy:

"QUESTION: What role does Israel play in the US view?

CHOMSKY: Exactly the role the US National Security Council assigned it in 1958, namely, to be a bulwark against Arab nationalism. Israel was chosen because it is a dependable base for Western dominance in this region. In the 60s this became reality.

"The Americans feared the effects of Egyptian nationalism on Saudi Arabia's stability, with a consequent threat to American oil interests. The war of June 1967 dealt a severe blow to this struggle for independence. The event proved pivotal for Israeli-American relations. Israel became a virtual appendage of the US, in other words, another American 'ally,' to which the US could turn whenever it wanted a task accomplished."

Israel in Global Context, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Ludwig Watzal

Chumpsky makes a vald point (even a blind squirel stumbles across the occasional berry) but as is his penchant, adds an anti-American twist.
In this case, "America's oil interests" is made to sound like "evil America" when the fact is the world depends on a steady stream of affordable oil. Protecting the Mideast conduit falls on the US because nobody else on the planet can do it and if we can use Israel in any way, we should do so.

Do you know enough History to realize that when Chomsky was a young man Zionism meant opposition to a Jewish state? That it wasn't until 1942 that the Zionist movement came out officially in favor of a Jewish state?

"America's oil interests" refers to US control over who receives Middle East oil and how much they are entitled to. This has been true since the 1950s when the US supplied all its own domestic oil needs.

Those like Chomsky realized a Jewish state would be used as a cop on the beat to enforce "America's oil interests", and such a state would be discriminatory and racist.

I need to know where you get the crack you've been smokin'.
BTW, you do realize that those hapless "Palestinians didn't become "Palestinians" until 1964 and when registering those would-be "Palestinians" as refugees in 1948 the UN only required proof of 2 years of residency, right Princess?

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

'Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897; however the history of Zionism began earlier and related to Judaism and Jewish history. The Hovevei Zion, or the Lovers of Zion, were responsible for the creation of 20 new Jewish settlements in Palestine between 1870 and 1897.[1]

Before the Holocaust the movement's central aims were the creation of a Jewish National Home and cultural centre in Palestine by facilitating Jewish migration. After the Holocaust, the movement focussed on creation of a "Jewish state" (usually defined as a secular state with a Jewish majority), attaining its goal in 1948 with the creation of Israel.'

 

[SAYIT]

Do we agree that Area C is NOT part of the country called Israel?

You failed to answer my question before positing another of your own, Princess. That's so typical of you but I will, nonetheless, answer yours: Not yet.
So why are you fixated on Israel?

When you say "(n)on-citizen residents of all countries"... you are implying Area C exists within a country called Israel. It doesn't. Area C is illegally occupied territory, and the Arab civilians living there are not the non-citizen residents; that would be the Jews. Again.

Why are you obsessed with placing Jewish interests over US interests?

In many areas the two are one and the same.
Why are you so antipatetic towards America's self interest:
"This was done largely to facilitate western control of Arab oil resources and stimulate arms sales, primarily in the US and UK."

 

[irosie91]

I do not understand why anyone states that the west bank and Gaza are "ILLEGALLY occupied" what is illegal about it? Egypt started a war -----jordan joined in------Israel essentially WON that war but the parties never actually surrendered and the leaders that the people of Gaza and the west bank recognize as leaders have declared war on Israel and continue to attack Israel-----so what is ILLEGAL about Israel acting to try to control the aggression of the entity which calles itself the "palestinians" ??? A state of war does EXIST between the people who call themselves "palestinians" and Israel by the choice of the "palestinians" If mexico were to decide to declare war on the USA sent terrorists across the border to slit the throats of children and launched missiles into texas -----the US would certainly enter that country and exert pressures on it

 

[Saigon]

I do not understand why anyone states that the west bank and Gaza are "ILLEGALLY occupied" what is illegal about it?

Land is illegally occupied when internaional governments do not recognise annexation if, indeed, annexation has taken place.

In this case, Jews have no legitimate claims to the regions involved, and have no history of living in the majority of towns involving during the past thousand years, whereas Palestinians do. Jews have never lived in any numbers in Nablus, Ramalah, Gaza or Quneitra.

Also, the land falls outside areas assigned to Israel under the partition plan of 1948, the so-called Green Line borders, and the UN resolutions 242 and 338.

 

[Billo_Really]

I do not understand why anyone states that the west bank and Gaza are "ILLEGALLY occupied"...

Because you don't want to. You have no desire to. I can see your statement is entirely rhetorical, thus requiring no answer. It's obvious you don't care about the truth, because you don't spend any time and effort trying to find it.

All you care about is pontificating your racist bullshit to as many people as you possibly can. The only thing you have to offer this world is "hate". And you wanna inject hate into as many peoples lives as you possibly can.

 

[irosie91]

I do not understand why anyone states that the west bank and Gaza are "ILLEGALLY occupied"...

Because you don't want to. You have no desire to. I can see your statement is entirely rhetorical, thus requiring no answer. It's obvious you don't care about the truth, because you don't spend any time and effort trying to find it.

All you care about is pontificating your racist bullshit to as many people as you possibly can. The only thing you have to offer this world is "hate". And you wanna inject hate into as many peoples lives as you possibly can.

you said nothing----but you did indicate that you support THE RIGHT OF THE "palestinian" entity to launch poison nail bombs into Israel and to nudge sluts with bombs on their whorish asses into baby nurseries. I am not surprised

 

[Billo_Really]

you said nothing----but you did indicate...

Jesus Christ, you don't even care about making sense!

If I said "nothing", how could I have possibly "indicated" something?

You cannot get something from nothing. Idiot!

... that you support THE RIGHT OF THE "palestinian" entity to launch poison nail bombs into Israel and to nudge sluts with bombs on their whorish asses into baby nurseries. I am not surprised

I support the Palestinian's right to self-determination and I've always been against the rocket attacks.

So go **** yourself!