Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[P F Tinmore]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

I rest my case.

 

[Hollie]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

I rest my case.

Without a pointless YouTube video?

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Your point being what? That the the Jewish people have the right to self-determination, but it can't be in their ancestral homeland where they originated? That seems rather like saying that the French have a right to self-determination, as long as its not in France.

 

[Shusha]

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

So, possession is 10/10s of the law? Cool. Israel is winning at that.

 

[montelatici]

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

So, possession is 10/10s of the law? Cool. Israel is winning at that.

Yes, they have won. What makes you think they haven't? They successfully illegally invaded Palestine and now control it, with no apparent consequences.

 

[Shusha]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

I rest my case.

Oh....wait for it.....wait for it.....the Jewish people aren't a people argument, coming right up!

 

[Shusha]

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

So, possession is 10/10s of the law? Cool. Israel is winning at that.

Yes, they have won. What makes you think they haven't? They successfully illegally invaded Palestine and now control it, with no apparent consequences.

And they are now the "inhabitants", so according to you, not a moral problem.

 

[montelatici]

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

 

[Hollie]

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

What original inhabitants would you be whining about? What timeline is used to establish your version of recent Islamist invaders / colonizers as the original inhabitants?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I don't really care what high horse you seem to judge from, but your understanding of the "why" is really outside the the real reason.

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

(COMMENT)

Nearly all of the actions Israel has taken, relative to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank fit largely (90% or more) into three broad categories.

• To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors (most of which are from with the Arab League) in the reach for regional hegemonic power --- and --- align the geopolitical focus on the defense against direct conventional warfare attacks from long-term threats (a continuation of the 1948 War) to Israeli national security.

• To protect Israel against espionage, sabotage, or assassinations conducted by or on behalf of foreign governments or elements thereof, foreign organizations, or foreign persons, or international terrorist activities.

• To restore and maintain civil security, public order and citizen/protected persons safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country. And to protect against criminal Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, Arab Resistance Movements and Asymmetric Fighters
activities intended to harm the Occupying Power.
​

Normally a hostile threat is not as larger as non-conventional threats from a hostile population that is approximately 3.6M strong. There is no real countermeasure for a generationally spread hatred that starts indoctrination at birth. Thus, there is no reason to believe that (as an outside observer) any relaxation of of security controls and containment will lead to a path to peace.

The Arab Palestinian, as a people, can be corrupted more and disintegrated faster a culture thoroughly as does its moral agnosticism, that a people must not assume that their religious or political convictions have any moral high ground. The Israelis (and much of the Western World) have a difficult time associating any good moral values that in a people (like the Arab Palestinians) that pledge Jihad and Armed Struggle, by any means available.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

 

[theliq]

montelatici, et al,

I don't really care what high horse you seem to judge from, but your understanding of the "why" is really outside the the real reason.

The moral problem is that they now oppress and rule over a few million of the original inhabitants. But I am sure that does not pose a problem for your moral compass.

(COMMENT)

Nearly all of the actions Israel has taken, relative to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank fit largely (90% or more) into three broad categories.

• To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors (most of which are from with the Arab League) in the reach for regional hegemonic power --- and --- align the geopolitical focus on the defense against direct conventional warfare attacks from long-term threats (a continuation of the 1948 War) to Israeli national security.

• To protect Israel against espionage, sabotage, or assassinations conducted by or on behalf of foreign governments or elements thereof, foreign organizations, or foreign persons, or international terrorist activities.

• To restore and maintain civil security, public order and citizen/protected persons safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country. And to protect against criminal Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, Arab Resistance Movements and Asymmetric Fighters
activities intended to harm the Occupying Power.
​

Normally a hostile threat is not as larger as non-conventional threats from a hostile population that is approximately 3.6M strong. There is no real countermeasure for a generationally spread hatred that starts indoctrination at birth. Thus, there is no reason to believe that (as an outside observer) any relaxation of of security controls and containment will lead to a path to peace.

The Arab Palestinian, as a people, can be corrupted more and disintegrated faster a culture thoroughly as does its moral agnosticism, that a people must not assume that their religious or political convictions have any moral high ground. The Israelis (and much of the Western World) have a difficult time associating any good moral values that in a people (like the Arab Palestinians) that pledge Jihad and Armed Struggle, by any means available.

Most Respectfully,
R

Bull Shit Rocco......Israel started with Terrorism,continued with Terrorism and is Run By Terrorism against the People of Palestine...Viva Palestine the Birth Place of Jesus Christ......themagnificent

 

[Phoenall]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

I just love it how you want "self determination" for Palestinians. So do I. No more sucking off of Israel to provide for them. Oh what a punishment self determination for Palestinians would be. And so well deserved.

Why does Israel continue to control and occupy the Palestinians if they are "sucking off Israel"? Because you lying piece of crap, the Israelis make money off the Palestinians who are funded by the EU and others.

And how is that done, if the EU gives the terrorists money to buy weapons how does it benefit Israel ?

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Just song and dance.

Have yiiu read the UN charter lately. Because if Israel does not have the right to exist then niether does palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Saudi

 

[P F Tinmore]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Just song and dance.

Have yiiu read the UN charter lately. Because if Israel does not have the right to exist then niether does palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Saudi

Link with passage?

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

Like the Roman Catholic invasion of Israel and the arab muslim invasion of Israel, is that what you mean ?

 

[theliq]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

Do the Syrians. Jordanians, Iraqi's and Iranians have the right to self determination in the Jewish national home ?

Where are the Mongols when you need them

 

[Phoenall]

To mitigate the emergence of multiple hostile foreign national aggressors

Do you mean the people fighting against theft, murder, and expulsion?

You mean the Jews who are fighting against just that, read the many islamonazi charters that say this, and the letters you link sent by the arab muslim terrorists to the LoN, Britain and the UN

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Just song and dance.

Have yiiu read the UN charter lately. Because if Israel does not have the right to exist then niether does palestine, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Saudi

Link with passage?

All people have the right to free determination and to live in peace