Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[Phoenall]

... If people go to Palestine to replace the Palestinians that is another.

Define what you mean by "replace the Palestinians?" Do you mean physically remove them (exile, ethnic cleansing), kill them or just replace their culture with your own?

Yes.

And when has this taken place other than to Christian and Jewish palestinians by islamonazi terrorist scum ?

 

[Phoenall]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

 

[aris2chat]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

They rejected the UN partition and are not member of the UN

They could have had statehood a number of times and backed away

Pals can't run their own authority and are at war with themselves.

Some don't want statehood, they want the destruction of Israel, to the last drop of blood.

Any wonder why Israel wants security????

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

I hear your blabber but I don't see any proof.

 

[Shusha]

​

I hear your blabber but I don't see any proof.

Proof of what? That Israel exists as a State and that Palestine does not? That is just silly.

 

[P F Tinmore]

​

I hear your blabber but I don't see any proof.

Proof of what? That Israel exists as a State and that Palestine does not? That is just silly.

That wasn't the question.

 

[Phoenall]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

I hear your blabber but I don't see any proof.

The proof is there if you only opened your eyes and looked. Can I now claim independence on the land already claimed by the arab muslims, because you seem to think I can. Or does this only apply to muslims ?
Israel had declared their intentions and had been accepted by the UN, the arab muslims came along 4 months later and said we want this land so we will claim it AND TO HELL WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW, UN RESOLUTIONS AND THE UN CHARTER. Have you got it yet ?

And the APG did not have the authority of the palestinians to make this declaration did they ?

 

[Phoenall]

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I hear your blabber but I don't see any proof.

Proof of what? That Israel exists as a State and that Palestine does not? That is just silly.

That wasn't the question.

What was the question ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

Could you explain what you mean by too late?

About 80 leaders from around Palestine declared independence from the Mandate that had previously left Palestine. They declared independence for all of the people of Palestine on their own land inside their own international borders. According to the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements the land was still Palestine and Palestine's international borders were still intact.

Israel, on the other hand, was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization and excluded the majority of the people. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and his parents were not. Israel had no defined territory in its declaration. And, still has no defined territory.

 

[Phoenall]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

Could you explain what you mean by too late?

About 80 leaders from around Palestine declared independence from the Mandate that had previously left Palestine. They declared independence for all of the people of Palestine on their own land inside their own international borders. According to the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements the land was still Palestine and Palestine's international borders were still intact.

Israel, on the other hand, was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization and excluded the majority of the people. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and his parents were not. Israel had no defined territory in its declaration. And, still has no defined territory.

Simple the Jews entered a declaration on may 15 1948 and it was accepted. Anything other than a declaration on resolution 181 guidelines was too late to be accepted as having any validity.
How could a foriegn power declare for the palestinians when they did not have the authority from 75% of them to do so, all they had was gaza and that was not what they declared on.
Wrong it was still mandate of palestine lands as the mandate is still running until the arab muslims declare fully
The problem with your argument is that this body was the one accepted by the LoN/UN and the worlds Jews to talk and accept on behalf of the majority of the worlds Jews. Something the arab muslims dont seem capable of putting in place.
The land of Israel does have defined terrotory and it is that laid down in the LoN mandate of palestine as the extent of the Jewish National Home.


Once again you inability to comprehend English shows that you are lacking in even basic intelligence and understanding

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

Could you explain what you mean by too late?

About 80 leaders from around Palestine declared independence from the Mandate that had previously left Palestine. They declared independence for all of the people of Palestine on their own land inside their own international borders. According to the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements the land was still Palestine and Palestine's international borders were still intact.

Israel, on the other hand, was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization and excluded the majority of the people. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and his parents were not. Israel had no defined territory in its declaration. And, still has no defined territory.

Simple the Jews entered a declaration on may 15 1948 and it was accepted. Anything other than a declaration on resolution 181 guidelines was too late to be accepted as having any validity.
How could a foriegn power declare for the palestinians when they did not have the authority from 75% of them to do so, all they had was gaza and that was not what they declared on.
Wrong it was still mandate of palestine lands as the mandate is still running until the arab muslims declare fully
The problem with your argument is that this body was the one accepted by the LoN/UN and the worlds Jews to talk and accept on behalf of the majority of the worlds Jews. Something the arab muslims dont seem capable of putting in place.
The land of Israel does have defined terrotory and it is that laid down in the LoN mandate of palestine as the extent of the Jewish National Home.


Once again you inability to comprehend English shows that you are lacking in even basic intelligence and understanding

Holy smokescreen, Batman!

You didn't refute anything in my post.

 

[Phoenall]

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

And this was 6 months too late as the Jews had already declared independence on this land. The APG did not have the authority to make any decisions for the palestinian muslims in the west bank as they had already set their stall out with Trans Jordan.
You cant make stupid comments without them then being used against you at a later date.

Recognition of the declaration of independence by the UN is and the APG would never have that being a construct of the arab league

Could you explain what you mean by too late?

About 80 leaders from around Palestine declared independence from the Mandate that had previously left Palestine. They declared independence for all of the people of Palestine on their own land inside their own international borders. According to the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements the land was still Palestine and Palestine's international borders were still intact.

Israel, on the other hand, was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization and excluded the majority of the people. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and his parents were not. Israel had no defined territory in its declaration. And, still has no defined territory.

Simple the Jews entered a declaration on may 15 1948 and it was accepted. Anything other than a declaration on resolution 181 guidelines was too late to be accepted as having any validity.
How could a foriegn power declare for the palestinians when they did not have the authority from 75% of them to do so, all they had was gaza and that was not what they declared on.
Wrong it was still mandate of palestine lands as the mandate is still running until the arab muslims declare fully
The problem with your argument is that this body was the one accepted by the LoN/UN and the worlds Jews to talk and accept on behalf of the majority of the worlds Jews. Something the arab muslims dont seem capable of putting in place.
The land of Israel does have defined terrotory and it is that laid down in the LoN mandate of palestine as the extent of the Jewish National Home.


Once again you inability to comprehend English shows that you are lacking in even basic intelligence and understanding

Holy smokescreen, Batman!

You didn't refute anything in my post.

Only in your eyes, but then anything that goes against your POV is ignored and not read

THE WHOLE LOT WAS REFUTED

 

[MJB12741]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

I just love it how you want "self determination" for Palestinians. So do I. No more sucking off of Israel to provide for them. Oh what a punishment self determination for Palestinians would be. And so well deserved.

 

[MJB12741]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

 

[montelatici]

I think, more correctly, the Jewish People, like many other peoples of the same time and place were provided with the opportunity to develop self-determination on territory left sovereignless by the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

Not true. The sovereignty lies in the people. By international law and the Treaty of Lausanne, the former Turkish citizens would be Palestinian citizens. A government derives its legitimacy from the will of the people. The sovereignty of the government is merely an extension of the peoples sovereignty.

Preventing the people from forming their own government at the point of a gun does not negate their rights. It is a violation of their rights. Holding their territory at the point of a gun is not sovereignty, it is a military occupation.

Pals did not form legit state when Jordan or Egypt controlled the land.
Pals refuse to agreement for a state now.

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PALESTINE PROGRESS REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS
MEDIATOR ON PALESTINE

CABLEGRAM DATED 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 FROM THE PREMIER AND
ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT
TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL CONCERNING
CONSTITUTION OF ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT

28 September 1948


I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

Recognition by other states is not a requirement. That being said, five other states recognized Palestine at that time.

I just love it how you want "self determination" for Palestinians. So do I. No more sucking off of Israel to provide for them. Oh what a punishment self determination for Palestinians would be. And so well deserved.

Why does Israel continue to control and occupy the Palestinians if they are "sucking off Israel"? Because you lying piece of crap, the Israelis make money off the Palestinians who are funded by the EU and others.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Just song and dance.

 

[Shusha]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Indeed, do the French have the right to self determination in Britain?

 

[montelatici]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

 

[Hollie]

So tell us Tinmore, does Israel have a legal right to exist?

Nobody has posted any proof of that.

Actually the person who has posted the best proof of that, indeed, who posts proof of that as a mantra on this forum, is you.

All peoples have the right to self-determination.

Not non-inhabitants at the expense of the inhabitants. That's called an invasion.

That would obviously apply to the various Arab invaders. As we know, and, as you don't, the mandatory established the process for Jewish migration.

You're still suffering from your self-imposed ignorance regarding the facts. Your invented "country of Pal'istan" was never any such thing. Your invented "Pal'istanians" were never any such thing. The Ottoman Turks controlled large swaths of the geographic area called Pal'istan and foreign land owners from Egypt, Syria and Lebanon also owned large areas.

You're still befuddled, right?