Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[P F Tinmore]

In 1948 Israel declared independence without delineating borders.

How can Israel be attacked in 1948, as Israeli propagandists constantly say, if it did not have any defined territory to attack?

How can the Palestinian 1948 declaration of independence encroach on Israeli territory, as Israeli propagandists constantly say, if it did not have any defined territory to encroach upon?

The Palestinian 1948 declaration of independence defined its territory as that inside its own international borders. Perfectly legal.

 

[Shusha]

In 1948 Israel declared independence without delineating borders.

How can Israel be attacked in 1948, as Israeli propagandists constantly say, if it did not have any defined territory to attack?

How can the Palestinian 1948 declaration of independence encroach on Israeli territory, as Israeli propagandists constantly say, if it did not have any defined territory to encroach upon?

The Palestinian 1948 declaration of independence defined its territory as that inside its own international borders. Perfectly legal.

Oh please, what kind of mental mind games are you playing here?

We already know that you and I agree that the international borders of the territory in question exist and that there has been no legal change which created internal borders on that territory. We both agree that there still isn't. So, in your mind the entire area is "Palestine" and in mine the entire area is the Jewish National Homeland (Israel).

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders. (As evidenced by the Treaties which came into existence afterward between Israel, Egypt and Jordan.) The fact that Israel did not, in its declaration, cede territory by specifically renouncing all claims to it (as Jordan did) does not mean that Israel had no defined territory.

The only change is in 1993 when BOTH parties agreed that there are two States in the territory and that the border between them should be negotiated.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders.

Those are the international borders of Palestine as defined by post WWI treaties. Nothing has changed those.

 

[Shusha]

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders.

Those are the international borders of Palestine as defined by post WWI treaties. Nothing has changed those.

We agree. The Jewish people, upon declaring independence, decided to name the State re-created in the territory formerly known by the geographical term "Palestine" -- ISRAEL. Israel's international borders did not change. Until 1993 with Oslo.

So, the correct legal interpretation is that the territory in question was one, undivided (but disputed) territory. Until 1993 with Oslo.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders.

Those are the international borders of Palestine as defined by post WWI treaties. Nothing has changed those.

We agree. The Jewish people, upon declaring independence, decided to name the State re-created in the territory formerly known by the geographical term "Palestine" -- ISRAEL. Israel's international borders did not change. Until 1993 with Oslo.

So, the correct legal interpretation is that the territory in question was one, undivided (but disputed) territory. Until 1993 with Oslo.

That is not how it went down. Israel has never legally acquired any land. It is all still Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

It is all still Palestine.

Fine. Call it whatever you want to call it. Makes no difference. It was one territory. Then Oslo happened. Oslo changed everything. Oslo, from a legal perspective, gives us two States who have agreed to recognize one another and create a border between them -- the exact placement of which is still under dispute.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Palestine since 1922 was defined as the Territory under the Mandate.

It is all still Palestine.

Fine. Call it whatever you want to call it. Makes no difference. It was one territory. Then Oslo happened. Oslo changed everything. Oslo, from a legal perspective, gives us two States who have agreed to recognize one another and create a border between them -- the exact placement of which is still under dispute.

(COMMENT)

Israel was formerly territory to which the Mandate Applied.

Israel Sovereignty (territorially) supersedes the meaning of Palestine in every manner. Thus --- the UN was able to replace the PLO designation with "Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Oslo changed nothing. Once Ma’ale Adumim is annexed early next year, the two state solution will be deader than dead.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Palestine since 1922 was defined as the Territory under the Mandate.

It is all still Palestine.

Fine. Call it whatever you want to call it. Makes no difference. It was one territory. Then Oslo happened. Oslo changed everything. Oslo, from a legal perspective, gives us two States who have agreed to recognize one another and create a border between them -- the exact placement of which is still under dispute.

(COMMENT)

Israel was formerly territory to which the Mandate Applied.

Israel Sovereignty (territorially) supersedes the meaning of Palestine in every manner. Thus --- the UN was able to replace the PLO designation with "Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

Uhhh, so?

I don't see a real dispute. There is a dispute manufactured by propaganda.

 

[Phoenall]

In 1948 Israel declared independence without delineating borders.

How can Israel be attacked in 1948, as Israeli propagandists constantly say, if it did not have any defined territory to attack?

How can the Palestinian 1948 declaration of independence encroach on Israeli territory, as Israeli propagandists constantly say, if it did not have any defined territory to encroach upon?

The Palestinian 1948 declaration of independence defined its territory as that inside its own international borders. Perfectly legal.

NO that is what you islamonazi propagandists say as a reason to demonise the Jews. From May 15 1948 the Jews did have defined territory, and you cant prove they didnt.
What international borders were those, the ones they stole from the mandate of palestine. THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF PALESTINE

 

[Phoenall]

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders.

Those are the international borders of Palestine as defined by post WWI treaties. Nothing has changed those.

And you can produce the treaties agreed by the palestinians and signed for by their negotiator. All I can find is those agreed by the existing nations and the LoN, no borders that say the nation of palestine have ever existed

 

[Phoenall]

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders.

Those are the international borders of Palestine as defined by post WWI treaties. Nothing has changed those.

We agree. The Jewish people, upon declaring independence, decided to name the State re-created in the territory formerly known by the geographical term "Palestine" -- ISRAEL. Israel's international borders did not change. Until 1993 with Oslo.

So, the correct legal interpretation is that the territory in question was one, undivided (but disputed) territory. Until 1993 with Oslo.

That is not how it went down. Israel has never legally acquired any land. It is all still Palestine.

So the INTERNATIONAL LAW of 1922 that set up trans Jordan does not exist, meaning that Jordan does not exist. You really need to stop shooting yourself in the foot, and start reading about who was granted what in 1917

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Palestine since 1922 was defined as the Territory under the Mandate.

It is all still Palestine.

Fine. Call it whatever you want to call it. Makes no difference. It was one territory. Then Oslo happened. Oslo changed everything. Oslo, from a legal perspective, gives us two States who have agreed to recognize one another and create a border between them -- the exact placement of which is still under dispute.

(COMMENT)

Israel was formerly territory to which the Mandate Applied.

Israel Sovereignty (territorially) supersedes the meaning of Palestine in every manner. Thus --- the UN was able to replace the PLO designation with "Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

Uhhh, so?

I don't see a real dispute. There is a dispute manufactured by propaganda.

And it is you and the other islamonazi stooges that are the biggest culprits for spreading the propganda

 

[P F Tinmore]

THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF PALESTINE

The same blabber I have heard a gazillion times but nobody has ever provided any proof.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Palestine since 1922 was defined as the Territory under the Mandate.

It is all still Palestine.

Fine. Call it whatever you want to call it. Makes no difference. It was one territory. Then Oslo happened. Oslo changed everything. Oslo, from a legal perspective, gives us two States who have agreed to recognize one another and create a border between them -- the exact placement of which is still under dispute.

(COMMENT)

Israel was formerly territory to which the Mandate Applied.

Israel Sovereignty (territorially) supersedes the meaning of Palestine in every manner. Thus --- the UN was able to replace the PLO designation with "Palestine."

Most Respectfully,
R

Uhhh, so?

I don't see a real dispute. There is a dispute manufactured by propaganda.

And it is you and the other islamonazi stooges that are the biggest culprits for spreading the propganda

Links?

 

[P F Tinmore]

When Israel declared independence it changed nothing legally in terms of borders. The international borders were (are) the international borders.

Those are the international borders of Palestine as defined by post WWI treaties. Nothing has changed those.

And you can produce the treaties agreed by the palestinians and signed for by their negotiator. All I can find is those agreed by the existing nations and the LoN, no borders that say the nation of palestine have ever existed

Oh, you won't find it in Israeli propaganda which is your only source of information.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm a bit confused here as to your claim.

And you can produce the treaties agreed by the palestinians and signed for by their negotiator. All I can find is those agreed by the existing nations and the LoN, no borders that say the nation of palestine have ever existed

]Oh, you won't find it in Israeli propaganda which is your only source of information.

(COMMENT)

Are you claiming to have knowledge of a Treaty (or similar documentation) that presents the "Title and Rights" to Arab Palestinian?

This is absolutely amazing. It would change the entire tone and character of the discussion.

You simply must tell us more.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF PALESTINE

The same blabber I have heard a gazillion times but nobody has ever provided any proof.

Yes indeed. "THERE NEVER WAS A NATION OF PALESTINE."

Articles: There Was Never a Country Called Palestine

 

[P F Tinmore]

THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF PALESTINE

The same blabber I have heard a gazillion times but nobody has ever provided any proof.

Yes indeed. "THERE NEVER WAS A NATION OF PALESTINE."

Articles: There Was Never a Country Called Palestine

This land was given to the Jewish people, as stated in the Bible, by the Creator, and will remain the homeland of the Jewish people in perpetuity.​

You didn't post one of those, did you?

 

[MJB12741]

THERE WAS NEVER A NATION OF PALESTINE

The same blabber I have heard a gazillion times but nobody has ever provided any proof.

Yes indeed. "THERE NEVER WAS A NATION OF PALESTINE."

Articles: There Was Never a Country Called Palestine

This land was given to the Jewish people, as stated in the Bible, by the Creator, and will remain the homeland of the Jewish people in perpetuity.​

You didn't post one of those, did you?

Do you deny that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians are squatters on the land with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the stolen land?