Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed

[Toddsterpatriot]

I will take the Democrats anytime, rather than the puppets following Trump into an Authoritarian Dictatorship Trump wants to turn the US into.

Enjoy the House majority while it lasts

Republicans, losing EVERY election since 2016.

What a wonderful America we still live in, where people do get up and vote for their rights.

Don't look now, but it's your Dems hating on Israel, while Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem and got the Abraham Accords.....which Biden killed, rather than pressure the Saudis and give Trump any credit.

The Dems will kill you and you'll still say "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I will take the Democrats anytime, rather than the puppets following Trump into an Authoritarian Dictatorship Trump wants to turn the US into.

Enjoy the House majority while it lasts

Republicans, losing EVERY election since 2016.

What a wonderful America we still live in, where people do get up and vote for their rights.

 

[Grau]

RE: Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed
SUBTOPIC: Tactics
※→ Grau, et al,

Like so many others, you have changed the central question from one of military objectives to an argument dominated by the theme → Human Rights and Humanitarian Effort (or lack thereof) to amplify the prospects of an emotional response. It shifts the objective away from → the focus → Seek Out and Engage the Enemy (the Islamic Revolutionary Movement • HAMAS). It very craftily slides the issue away from focusing on the military objective against the aggressor which reopens hostilities - to - victimizing the aggressor. It paints a picture of the Arab Palestinians as these hapless people who were unduly assaulted by the nasty Israelis.


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It is astounding that so many pro-Palestinians and anti-Israelis (most of the general population) in the Gaza Strip do not understand that the conflict can end virtually overnight by the surrender of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (all four of which are designated terrorist organizations) (Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) which was supported by the general population (aiding and abetting these criminals). This shift from being the aggressor drawing first blood to the victim of the consequence of their action is known as the Fallacy in the Appeal to Emotion.

Day after day the trumpets sound on the results of the conflict which the Arab Palestinians of Gaza started. All they need do is release the hostages and surrender the criminal elements that the general population supported.

Most Respectfully,
R

Hello RoccoR,

I have over ten comments to which I should respond so I must be brief.

If I understand your opening thoughts, you feel that not enough publicity exists focusing on the military objective of what is falsely called a "War".

A war is generally understood to be a conflict between two or more military forces that are more or less equally matched.

What has been widely condemned by ethical Jews and non Jews as the Gaza Genocide is not a war as Hamas is a resistance group with no Air Force, Navy, heavy weaponry or nuclear arms.
There are no "Fields of Battle" with opposing Generals leading opposing armies, land, air and sea forces.
Since there is only one Army, Air Force, Navy exercising illegal collective punishment to starve and bomb an entire population into oblivion there is really no "Military aspect" to what in not really a "war".

Re: It is astounding that so many pro-Palestinians and anti-Israelis (most of the general population) in the Gaza Strip do not understand that the conflict can end virtually overnight by the surrender of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS),

First, opposing the genocidal agenda of Netanyahu and his henchmen is not "anti Israel. If anything, supporting Netanyahu's genocidal foray into Gaza is "anti Israel" because it guarantees cyclical violence making Israel less secure as more of the world sees Netanyahu's genocide for what it is.

We already know what would happen if Hamas were to surrender by the murderous and destructive atrocities committed by "Settlers" with a complicit IDF against unarmed West Bank Arabs that had nothing to do with the tragic events of 7 October:

"Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"

Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Settlers Who Are Killing West Bank Palestinians

Or risk losing any moral authority in this war.

slate.com

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED

Reay after day the trumpets sound on the results of the conflict which the Arab Palestinians of Gaza started. All they need do is release the hostages and surrender the criminal elements that the general population supported.

It is absurd to believe that disarming a single resistance group during the decades old Nakba is going to stop the Zionists from their "Greater Israel".

As far as releasing hostages, Israel has thousands of hostages that are openly tortured, starved and beaten as they have been for decades (1) before 7 October.

Any country that invites a racist public to view the torture and murder of political prisoners has already revealed a genocidal social sickness that no amount of attempted appeasement by Palestine's native residents is going to satisfy.

The Nakba didn't begin on 7 October 2023 nor will there ever be peace in the Levant as long as Israeli lobbies shape US Foreign policy and continue to extract $ Trillions for blatant Zionist genocide.

Thanks,

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(1). "IDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Report"​

"This is beyond military occupation, apartheid, economic exploitation, and all the rest," asserted one journalist. "There is something extremely sickening happening here."

IDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Report

"This is beyond military occupation, apartheid, economic exploitation, and all the rest," asserted one journalist. "There is something extremely sickening happening here."

www.commondreams.org

EXCERPT "The former detainees said groups of 10-20 Israeli civilians were brought in and allowed to record torture sessions in which the men, stripped nearly naked, were beaten with metal batons, electrocuted, and had hot water poured over their heads. The ex-prisoners said some of the Israelis laughed while filming their torture." CONTINUED
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[Billo_Really]

[ We all know you do not care for the truth. Much less about any of the poor Arabs who have been affected by their leaders lies against Jews since 1920 and have been paying the price of their leaders choosing a war against a future Jewish State on their own Jewish ancient homeland, rather then build a homeland for themselves where everyone wins and all live in peace with Israel. It is not only the Arab leaders in the region of Palestine, but the Hashemites from Arabia, the Lebanese, the Iranians, the Iraqis, the Syrians.

We do not care that you do not care. Israel has always helped the Arabs with jobs, healthcare and education. They are the ones who care that you do not give a darn about them.]

Palestinian workers in Israel (Hebrew: עובדים פלסטינים) are Palestinian citizens of the Palestinian Authority who are employed by Israeli citizens in the State of Israel and Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Most of them work as unskilled laborers in sectors such as agriculture and construction.

Palestinian workers in Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

‘It’s like another planet’: crossing the frontier from Gaza to work in Israel

Unemployment in the Gaza Strip stands at 44% but since 2021 permits to work in Israel have been issued in small numbers

www.theguardian.com

Almost 400,000 Palestinians have lost jobs due to war, report says

Many have little or no income after the closure of crossings into Israel and restrictions on workers, according to ILO

www.theguardian.com

You are a ******* liar. When you fuckers moved into the area, only Jewish labor could be used on Jewish farms. In other words, you imported the racism with you.

A strict policy of what in today’s terms would be described as racial discrimination was maintained by the Zionist Organization in this rapid advance towards the “national home”. Only Jewish labour could service Jewish farms and settlements. The eventual outcome of this trend was a major outbreak of violence with unprecedented loss of life in 1929, which was investigated by the Shaw Commission. Another commission headed by Sir John Hope Simpson followed to investigate questions of immigration and land transfers. Certain observations of the Hope Simpson Commission are of interest, particularly on labour and employment policies.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/

 

[Billo_Really]

You know nothing about International Law. Egypt has shot and killed those who try to wonder into its waters or even into the country on dry land.

Piracy is when "pirates" board ships or boats to steal from those ships or boats.

Nothing was taken from those boats by Israel, therefore you are overdoing your being appalled at what happened.international

All Humanitarian aid in those five boats was delivered to Gaza.

You are such a ******* liar! Israel has no sovereignty in international waters. You want me to say that again, you dumbass piece of shit? Israel has no sovereignty in international waters!

In addition, Israel has no sovereignty in Gazan territorial waters. So they cannot stop any ship of any kind.

You mother-fuckers deliberately murdered an America citizen on board the Mavi Marmara. **** you for that!

You are such a ******* liar! You're even restricting humanitarian aid coming through Rafah. You murder journalists and have killed over 30,000 innocent Palestinians.

You're a scumbag nation with scumbag assholes. You don't deserve a country.

 

[Grau]

I don't like either major political party and don't care for Cortez but can you name anything she said that is not true?

Netanyahu's most obvious End Game is to murder as many Gazans as possible and steal their land.

 

[Billo_Really]

How’d Hamas get 67,000 rockets the past 20 years?
Amazon?

Big ******* deal! They have the right to defend themselves against Israeli tyranny. Unfortunately for Hamas, this particular weapon is indiscriminate, which makes it a war crime to use.

In 2 decades, these weapons only killed 28 people. They're more of a nuisance, than a weapon. Israel, on the other hand, has a modern military with nuclear weapons. I think they're safe.

 

[Billo_Really]

They had no trouble finding building materials worth close to a BILLION dollars to build 750km of tunnels and underground locations throughout the entire Gaza strip, complete with water, electricity, air conditioning, kitchens, bathrooms, phone lines, blast doors, workshops, computers, and, oh, cages.

So ******* what! What they do on their own property is none of your goddamn business!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't like either major political party and don't care for Cortez but can you name anything she said that is not true?

Netanyahu's most obvious End Game is to murder as many Gazans as possible and steal their land.

She said this is not war. Of course it's war.

Netanyahu's most obvious End Game is to murder as many Gazans as possible

Murder? LOL
As many as possible? Then why have so few died?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Big ******* deal! They have the right to defend themselves against Israeli tyranny. Unfortunately for Hamas, this particular weapon is indiscriminate, which makes it a war crime to use.

In 2 decades, these weapons only killed 28 people. They're more of a nuisance, than a weapon. Israel, on the other hand, has a modern military with nuclear weapons. I think they're safe.

In 2 decades, these weapons only killed 28 people.

You're allowed to commit war crimes for decades, if you're not very good at it?
Have you always been retarded?

Israel, on the other hand, has a modern military with nuclear weapons.

Exactly. So why aren't 200,000 or more Arabs dead already?

 

[Sixties Fan]

You are such a ******* liar! Israel has no sovereignty in international waters. You want me to say that again, you dumbass piece of shit? Israel has no sovereignty in international waters!

In addition, Israel has no sovereignty in Gazan territorial waters. So they cannot stop any ship of any kind.

You mother-fuckers deliberately murdered an America citizen on board the Mavi Marmara. **** you for that!

You are such a ******* liar! You're even restricting humanitarian aid coming through Rafah. You murder journalists and have killed over 30,000 innocent Palestinians.

You're a scumbag nation with scumbag assholes. You don't deserve a country.

Foul mouthed Irish Billo. The know it all of everything and master of everything one must know.

Israel is a country. Belongs to the descendants of the ancient inhabitants who formed an Empire who wrote the Hebrew Scriptures which your ancestors borrowed and stole and turned against the Jews.


Jews do not need to apologize for living, continue to be alive and for defending themselves from barbarically inhuman monsters raised on hatred of Jews.

Continue to believe what your Irish heart wished to believe. It makes no difference in the end.

Any lie about Jews and Israel is a good lie for you.

Eat them up. Do not choke on them.

 

[Billo_Really]

Foul mouthed Irish Billo. The know it all of everything and master of everything one must know.

Israel is a country. Belongs to the descendants of the ancient inhabitants who formed an Empire who wrote the Hebrew Scriptures which your ancestors borrowed and stole and turned against the Jews.


Jews do not need to apologize for living, continue to be alive and for defending themselves from barbarically inhuman monsters raised on hatred of Jews.

Continue to believe what your Irish heart wished to believe. It makes no difference in the end.

Any lie about Jews and Israel is a good lie for you.

Eat them up. Do not choke on them.

This has nothing to do with Judaism. This is not a religious issue.

 

[Sixties Fan]

So ******* what! What they do on their own property is none of your goddamn business!

It is Israel's business when the Gaza pastime is teaching Arabs to hate Jews with lies about Jews and Israel, and endlessly training and manufacturing rockets with the sole purpose of firing them against Israel and killing as many Israeli civilians, workers and tourists as possible.

Hamas has killed more of its population since 2007 than Israel ever has.

By using them as fighters, as human shields, as telling them to go into Israel and murder Israelis and get killed.

Getting killed in Islam is an honor. Because all the men and women end up being Martyrs and end up getting "72 virgins" for KILLING JEWS.


It is our business, it will be our business until Hamas is totally eliminated and Gaza is turned into what it was supposed to be after 2005:

A territory where there was the possibility of a peaceful co existence with Israel, a model of living in peace with one's neighbors, like the UAE.

When Russia builds up its military, its fighters, and manufactures rockets. If it is just to defend itself in case of an invasion, that is one thing.

But when Russia used all of its fighters, rockets, planes, etc to invade Ukraine and murder Ukrainians, that is everyone's business, because Russia should never have invaded a sovereign country wanting to gain territory.

Hamas invaded Israel, murdered 1200 people, kidnapped 100s more and have starved, tortured and reaped them.

Hamas did so hoping to gain territory, and Hezbollah is doing the same up north hoping to defeat Israel and gain territory.


All of that is OUR business, because authoritarian murderers should never be allowed to attack innocent people out of greed, or territory and expect the world to do nothing about it.


Ukraine is right in what it is doing defending itself.

Israel is right in what it is doing defending itself.

Say goodby to Hamas.

Cry, cry and cry some more for those terrorists losing their lives and do not cry for being a stooge who is easily fooled by everything those terrorists say, be it number of dead (where they never count their terrorists in those numbers ) or anything else.


Like it, do not like it, Israel does not need the ok from worthless Jew haters like yourself.


Find your heart, find your brain, and stop talking like a toxic garbage trash can.

 

[Billo_Really]

It is Israel's business when the Gaza pastime is teaching Arabs to hate Jews with lies about Jews and Israel, and endlessly training and manufacturing rockets with the sole purpose of firing them against Israel and killing as many Israeli civilians, workers and tourists as possible.

Hamas has killed more of its population since 2007 than Israel ever has.

By using them as fighters, as human shields, as telling them to go into Israel and murder Israelis and get killed.

Getting killed in Islam is an honor. Because all the men and women end up being Martyrs and end up getting "72 virgins" for KILLING JEWS.


It is our business, it will be our business until Hamas is totally eliminated and Gaza is turned into what it was supposed to be after 2005:

A territory where there was the possibility of a peaceful co existence with Israel, a model of living in peace with one's neighbors, like the UAE.

When Russia builds up its military, its fighters, and manufactures rockets. If it is just to defend itself in case of an invasion, that is one thing.

But when Russia used all of its fighters, rockets, planes, etc to invade Ukraine and murder Ukrainians, that is everyone's business, because Russia should never have invaded a sovereign country wanting to gain territory.

Hamas invaded Israel, murdered 1200 people, kidnapped 100s more and have starved, tortured and reaped them.

Hamas did so hoping to gain territory, and Hezbollah is doing the same up north hoping to defeat Israel and gain territory.


All of that is OUR business, because authoritarian murderers should never be allowed to attack innocent people out of greed, or territory and expect the world to do nothing about it.


Ukraine is right in what it is doing defending itself.

Israel is right in what it is doing defending itself.

Say goodby to Hamas.

Cry, cry and cry some more for those terrorists losing their lives and do not cry for being a stooge who is easily fooled by everything those terrorists say, be it number of dead (where they never count their terrorists in those numbers ) or anything else.


Like it, do not like it, Israel does not need the ok from worthless Jew haters like yourself.


Find your heart, find your brain, and stop talking like a toxic garbage trash can.

You spew a lot of horseshit! Hamas did not kill over 30,000 Palestinians. You did.

Palestinians do not teach their children to hate Israelis. You do.

There was peace with Hamas for 4 months in 2008, where there was virtually no rocket fire. But that ended when YOU fuckers ran a commando raid into Gaza to kill an Hamas leader.

If Israel wanted peace, then why does it keep breaking treaties?

Israel is an occupational force. Therefore it cannot claim self defense. You are the aggressors. You are the villains. You are the bad guys.

And finally, you Zionist piece of shit, this has nothing to do with Jews. It is not a religious issue. But we both know why you try to make it one, it is because you have no defense for Israeli atrocities.

Now go **** yourself! You racist piece of shit and Islamophobe!

 

[Shusha]

So ******* what! What they do on their own property is none of your goddamn business!

Well, here's an idea then, don't make it any of Israel's business!

Don't commit atrocities.
Don't fire rockets.
Don't commit war crimes.
Stay on your side of the goddamn fence.
If you absolutely need to make war on someone, make war on your own women and children, not ours.
Spend the next billion dollars anyway you want.
Don't come begging to Israel for things you should be providing for your own women and children.

 

[Billo_Really]

It is Israel's business when the Gaza pastime is teaching Arabs to hate Jews with lies about Jews and Israel, and endlessly training and manufacturing rockets with the sole purpose of firing them against Israel and killing as many Israeli civilians, workers and tourists as possible.

Hamas has killed more of its population since 2007 than Israel ever has.

By using them as fighters, as human shields, as telling them to go into Israel and murder Israelis and get killed.

Getting killed in Islam is an honor. Because all the men and women end up being Martyrs and end up getting "72 virgins" for KILLING JEWS.


It is our business, it will be our business until Hamas is totally eliminated and Gaza is turned into what it was supposed to be after 2005:

A territory where there was the possibility of a peaceful co existence with Israel, a model of living in peace with one's neighbors, like the UAE.

When Russia builds up its military, its fighters, and manufactures rockets. If it is just to defend itself in case of an invasion, that is one thing.

But when Russia used all of its fighters, rockets, planes, etc to invade Ukraine and murder Ukrainians, that is everyone's business, because Russia should never have invaded a sovereign country wanting to gain territory.

Hamas invaded Israel, murdered 1200 people, kidnapped 100s more and have starved, tortured and reaped them.

Hamas did so hoping to gain territory, and Hezbollah is doing the same up north hoping to defeat Israel and gain territory.


All of that is OUR business, because authoritarian murderers should never be allowed to attack innocent people out of greed, or territory and expect the world to do nothing about it.


Ukraine is right in what it is doing defending itself.

Israel is right in what it is doing defending itself.

Say goodby to Hamas.

Cry, cry and cry some more for those terrorists losing their lives and do not cry for being a stooge who is easily fooled by everything those terrorists say, be it number of dead (where they never count their terrorists in those numbers ) or anything else.


Like it, do not like it, Israel does not need the ok from worthless Jew haters like yourself.


Find your heart, find your brain, and stop talking like a toxic garbage trash can.

You spew a lot of horseshit! Hamas did not kill over 30,000 Palestinians. You did.

Palestinians do not teach their children to hate Israelis. You do.

There was peace with Hamas for 4 months in 2008, where there was virtually no rocket fire. But that ended when YOU fuckers ran a commando raid into Gaza to kill an Hamas leader.

If Israel wanted peace, then why does it keep breaking treaties?

Israel is an occupational force. Therefore it cannot claim self defense. You are the aggressors. You are the villains. You are the bad guys.

And finally, you Zionist piece of shit, this has nothing to do with Jews. It is not a religious issue. But we both know why you try to make it one, it is because you have no defense for Israeli atrocities.

Now go **** yourself! You racist piece of shit racist and Islamophobe!

Well, here's an idea then, don't make it any of Israel's business!

Don't commit atrocities.
Don't fire rockets.
Don't commit war crimes.
Stay on your side of the goddamn fence.
If you absolutely need to make war on someone, make war on your own women and children, not ours.
Spend the next billion dollars anyway you want.
Don't come begging to Israel for things you should be providing for your own women and children.

End the occupation and don't make a blockade. Because everything the Palestinians do, is in response to that.

End Israeli aggression and there will be peace in the area. The first move is yours, not them.

 

[Billo_Really]

Well, here's an idea then, don't make it any of Israel's business!

Don't commit atrocities.
Don't fire rockets.
Don't commit war crimes.
Stay on your side of the goddamn fence.
If you absolutely need to make war on someone, make war on your own women and children, not ours.
Spend the next billion dollars anyway you want.
Don't come begging to Israel for things you should be providing for your aggression women and children.

Then end the occupation and Israeli aggression.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This has nothing to do with Judaism. This is not a religious issue.

I was not saying anything about Judaism except that both Christianity and Islam have stolen from Judaism and cannot find an ounce of respect for Judaism, but need to forever feel superior to Jews and make Jews suffer and be without a homeland as long as they wish.

Israel is the result of thousands of years since Christianity and Islam came to be. Israel is putting an end to that abuse, you like it or not.

And yes, from Christians and Muslims IT IS a religious issue. It is all about where Jews MUST belong in their world, the world of superior Christianity and Islam.

 

[Shusha]

Then end the occupation and Israeli aggression.

Israel did in 2005. Surprise! There was no peace.

And now "international law" (cough) has shifted to the extent that it is impossible for Israel to "end the occupation", because no matter how much Israel withdraws, the occupation goalposts keep moving. Israel withdraws all its troops and civilians, nah still occupied! Israel provides water and electricity - proof of occupation! Israel turns off water and electricity - proof of occupation! Israel opens the crossings to trade goods - proof of occupation! Israel issues work permits to citizens of Gaza to work in Israel - proof of occupation!

I've asked you, specifically, what Israel would need to do to end the occupation, and the only clear answer from you is to end the sea blockade and some vague hand wave towards "open borders", with no clarity on what you mean by that.

The problem with Hamas - and the people of Gaza - is that the "occupation" is ALL of Israel. That's why there is no peace when the occupation ended. Every time Gaza gains more freedom, more independence, they lean heavier into the "resistance". Why? They don't seek peace. They don't seek independence. They don't want prosperity. They want the destruction of the Jewish state and the Jewish people. And they are willing to cause the deaths of their people to try to achieve that goal.

The Jewish people are awake now. We get it. We aren't going to let the people of Gaza have what they want.

 

[Billo_Really]

I was not saying anything about Judaism except that both Christianity and Islam have stolen from Judaism and cannot find an ounce of respect for Judaism, but need to forever feel superior to Jews and make Jews suffer and be without a homeland as long as they wish.

Israel is the result of thousands of years since Christianity and Islam came to be. Israel is putting an end to that abuse, you like it or not.

And yes, from Christians and Muslims IT IS a religious issue. It is all about where Jews MUST belong in their world, the world of superior Christianity and Islam.

There is nothing wrong with Judaism. There is nothing wrong with Jews. By the same token, there is nothing wrong with Islam or Christianity and nothing wrong with Muslims or Catholics. They are all different ways to worship and pray.

And not one religion is above or better than the other. They are all equal. And they all pray to the same person. One religion calls him God, the other calls him Allah and another calls him Yaweh. Different name, same dude!