Israeli Style Democracy

[Phoenall]

The difference being that the Boers were White Euro-Christians and had plenty of other places to go in the world where their ethnic brethren and co-religionists held sway.

The Jews of Israel have no other place in the world to go, where Jews hold sway on behalf of Jews.

They aren't going anywhere, and, within a couple of decades, they will have completed their Reconquista of Eretz Yisrael.

Rather like the Spaniards kicking the Muslims out of Spain over a period of centuries, and culminating in 1492.

It's the Jews' turn now.

And, the beauty of this is, it also serves as payback for centuries of Muslim oppression of the Jews and reducing them to second-class citizens - Dhmmitude - as well as the million or so Jews that Muslims kicked out of Muslim-dominated countries during the period 1948-1975.

Payback's a bitch, and it's the Muslims' turn to be on the receiving end.

Some of 'em put on their Big Girl panties and get past it... others will play the whiny-bitch for another generation or two, before it gets old, and they move on.

Well they could go to the USA where "their ethnic brethren and co-religionists hold sway" or back to Spain, for that matter, BBC News - Sephardic Jews invited back to Spain after 500 years

What for?

They've got a good strong un-breakable hold on Old Palestine (Eretz Yisrael) already, including Jerusalem.

The Palestinians are being squeezed off their remaining handful of scraps of non-contiguous land, now at an increasingly accelerated pace.

At this rate, they'll be gone, and they and their descendants will be living across the border in Jordan and Lebanon, within the next 20-30 years.

Most projections show that the Christians and Muslims will be the clear majority in a relatively short time. Taking more and more of the Christian and Muslim land is playing into the Christians and Muslims hands as it has made a two state solution impossible. And, there will not be the ethnic cleansing of millions of people.

The Christians can stay...

The Muslims have to go...

Why?

Because the Jews of Israel - like folks in The West - like Christians much better than we like Muslims...

Much better...

Christians represent a microscopic percentage of the Palestinian population...

You giving them top billing (mentioning them first) and pretending that their interests are co-joined and implying that they are staunch allies, is a laughable and hugely failing tactic...

A handful of Palestinian Christian land-owners and academicians indicating the contrary notwithstanding...

Otherwise, the Christians of The West would not be so heavily vested-in and committed-to the establishment and the sustenance of Eretz Yisrael.

Christians of the West are not at all committed to Israel, only Americans.

"The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."

BBC poll Israel among world s least popular nations - World - Israel News Haaretz

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

 

[Phoenall]

What time is that bozo?

When the west wakes up and smells the coffee, then evicts every muslims from its shores and encases them in a ring of steel. I wonder which country you will elect to live in when that happens. Your days are numbered as the world is seeing the real islam and is not wanting it anywhere near them.

 

[Challenger]

She is not a traitor to her people, who make up what percentage of her/your country?

Excuse me? 'Her people'? what makes her loyal to 'her people' is what makes her traitor to 'us'

Arab israeli's are part of israel arnt they?

She doesn't define herself as Israeli Arab, she defines herself as Palestinian. And denies Israel's right of existance.

.

Zionist Israel "defines" her as an "Israeli Arab" (just like the Nuremburg Laws defined who was a "Jew"); how she sees herself is her own business. Who says Israel has a "right" to exist? No such right exists in International Law.

 

[Challenger]

Well they could go to the USA where "their ethnic brethren and co-religionists hold sway" or back to Spain, for that matter, BBC News - Sephardic Jews invited back to Spain after 500 years

What for?

They've got a good strong un-breakable hold on Old Palestine (Eretz Yisrael) already, including Jerusalem.

The Palestinians are being squeezed off their remaining handful of scraps of non-contiguous land, now at an increasingly accelerated pace.

At this rate, they'll be gone, and they and their descendants will be living across the border in Jordan and Lebanon, within the next 20-30 years.

Most projections show that the Christians and Muslims will be the clear majority in a relatively short time. Taking more and more of the Christian and Muslim land is playing into the Christians and Muslims hands as it has made a two state solution impossible. And, there will not be the ethnic cleansing of millions of people.

The Christians can stay...

The Muslims have to go...

Why?

Because the Jews of Israel - like folks in The West - like Christians much better than we like Muslims...

Much better...

Christians represent a microscopic percentage of the Palestinian population...

You giving them top billing (mentioning them first) and pretending that their interests are co-joined and implying that they are staunch allies, is a laughable and hugely failing tactic...

A handful of Palestinian Christian land-owners and academicians indicating the contrary notwithstanding...

Otherwise, the Christians of The West would not be so heavily vested-in and committed-to the establishment and the sustenance of Eretz Yisrael.

Christians of the West are not at all committed to Israel, only Americans.

"The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."

BBC poll Israel among world s least popular nations - World - Israel News Haaretz

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

 

[Challenger]

Oh look, more Jewish people who'd rather live anywhere else than in the Zionist paradise, even when they're being shot at.

Defiant After Attack Denmark s Jews Vow To Stay Forward.com

 

[Kondor3]

Look who's talking...

Hasbarists, by the look of it.

A majority of the Anglo-Saxon Christians of the UK seem to feel differently... hell, even your Cameron came flat-out a few years ago and stated that 'multiculturalism' (codespeak for 'Muslim integration') wasn't working. And he was right. Your own country is filling quickly with fifth-columnists. It won't be yours for much longer, at this pace.

Spoken like a true paranoid. Luckily there aren't that many Christian religious fundamentalists in the UK, so they can think and feel what they like, he's not MY Cameron, and it's clear you have no idea what multiculturalism is all about.

I really and truly don't give a tinker's damn whether you perceive that as paranoid...

It is the operative mindset in The West, with good reason, and it will continue thus for many years to come...

And, yes, indeed, I do understand what 'multiculturalism' is all about...

Looks great on paper..

Sucks in real life...

To the extent where folks such as the UK's Cameron and Germany's Merkel have labeled it a failed social engineering methodology...

Hell, the French have had a bellyful of your friends, as well...

Declaring such a fact - the failure of European multiculturalism - years after it became an established fact...

Late, of course, but better late than never...

It's the operative mindset amongst the political Right and racists in general, I agree.

No, it's the operative mindset within the domains of secularized Christendom (largely Europe, Russia, the Americas, and Oceania), amongst people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics.

There is nothing bigoted nor 'racist' about labeling Islam as incompatible with The West - rather, such labeling is merely an acknowledgement of Reality - what is.

Besides... Islam is not a 'race'... consequently, charges of 'racism' are largely moot.

Multiculturalism (in the context of integrating Islam with Western life) does not work.

Europe has already given that concept a fair shake - its' own fair chance - and seen it fail, miserably, time and again.

To the extent where European leaders have flatly stated that it has failed.

Realism, not racism.

 

[Phoenall]

She is not a traitor to her people, who make up what percentage of her/your country?

Excuse me? 'Her people'? what makes her loyal to 'her people' is what makes her traitor to 'us'

Arab israeli's are part of israel arnt they?

She doesn't define herself as Israeli Arab, she defines herself as Palestinian. And denies Israel's right of existance.

.

Zionist Israel "defines" her as an "Israeli Arab" (just like the Nuremburg Laws defined who was a "Jew"); how she sees herself is her own business. Who says Israel has a "right" to exist? No such right exists in International Law.

How is being seen as an Israeli arab the same as the Nuremberg laws, She is an arab muslim with Israeli citizenship. No different to a British arab is she .......

The UN nations say that Israel has the right to exist as they voted unanimously for it. Then the UN wrote the extension to the UN charter that empowered Israel as the only Jewish nation FOR EVER.

 

[Phoenall]

What for?

They've got a good strong un-breakable hold on Old Palestine (Eretz Yisrael) already, including Jerusalem.

The Palestinians are being squeezed off their remaining handful of scraps of non-contiguous land, now at an increasingly accelerated pace.

At this rate, they'll be gone, and they and their descendants will be living across the border in Jordan and Lebanon, within the next 20-30 years.

Most projections show that the Christians and Muslims will be the clear majority in a relatively short time. Taking more and more of the Christian and Muslim land is playing into the Christians and Muslims hands as it has made a two state solution impossible. And, there will not be the ethnic cleansing of millions of people.

The Christians can stay...

The Muslims have to go...

Why?

Because the Jews of Israel - like folks in The West - like Christians much better than we like Muslims...

Much better...

Christians represent a microscopic percentage of the Palestinian population...

You giving them top billing (mentioning them first) and pretending that their interests are co-joined and implying that they are staunch allies, is a laughable and hugely failing tactic...

A handful of Palestinian Christian land-owners and academicians indicating the contrary notwithstanding...

Otherwise, the Christians of The West would not be so heavily vested-in and committed-to the establishment and the sustenance of Eretz Yisrael.

Christians of the West are not at all committed to Israel, only Americans.

"The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."

BBC poll Israel among world s least popular nations - World - Israel News Haaretz

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

Wont work as it just shows how BIASED and FASCIST the neo Marxists really are when faced with the truth.

 

[Challenger]

Hasbarists, by the look of it.

A majority of the Anglo-Saxon Christians of the UK seem to feel differently... hell, even your Cameron came flat-out a few years ago and stated that 'multiculturalism' (codespeak for 'Muslim integration') wasn't working. And he was right. Your own country is filling quickly with fifth-columnists. It won't be yours for much longer, at this pace.

Spoken like a true paranoid. Luckily there aren't that many Christian religious fundamentalists in the UK, so they can think and feel what they like, he's not MY Cameron, and it's clear you have no idea what multiculturalism is all about.

I really and truly don't give a tinker's damn whether you perceive that as paranoid...

It is the operative mindset in The West, with good reason, and it will continue thus for many years to come...

And, yes, indeed, I do understand what 'multiculturalism' is all about...

Looks great on paper..

Sucks in real life...

To the extent where folks such as the UK's Cameron and Germany's Merkel have labeled it a failed social engineering methodology...

Hell, the French have had a bellyful of your friends, as well...

Declaring such a fact - the failure of European multiculturalism - years after it became an established fact...

Late, of course, but better late than never...

It's the operative mindset amongst the political Right and racists in general, I agree.

No, it's the operative mindset within the domains of secularized Christendom (largely Europe, Russia, the Americas, and Oceania), amongst people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics.

There is nothing bigoted nor 'racist' about labeling Islam as incompatible with The West - rather, such labeling is merely an acknowledgement of Reality - what is.

Besides... Islam is not a 'race'... consequently, charges of 'racism' are largely moot.

Multiculturalism (in the context of integrating Islam with Western life) does not work.

Europe has already given that concept a fair shake - its' own fair chance - and seen it fail, miserably, time and again.

To the extent where European leaders have flatly stated that it has failed.

Realism, not racism.

The, "people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics." Are usually Christian fundamentalists or conservative right-wingers who see "threats" where none exist in reality and blow things out of proportion to suit their "Chicken-Little" mentalities. I'm well aware that Islam is not a race, I included racists because their mindset is similar; an unreasoning and bigoted fear of "the other" which generates hatred accordingly.

When Cameron, et al. pontificate about the "failure of multiculturalism" they invariably refer to state imposed, top-down, multiculturalism, with emphasis on "political correctness", "positive descrimination", etc. all this has done is either re-enforced or created cultural conservatism between the various cultures involved. To that extent, State multiculturalism has indeed failed. This however, is not what multiculturalism was ever about; at the grass-roots level and within communities it has functioned and continues to do so very well, fostering mutual recognition and respect and dispelling that fear of "the other".

Do yourself a favour, visit a Mosque and talk to Muslims, or a Prasada and speak to Hindus, or a Gurdwara and talk to Sikhs, the experience will broaden your mind.

 

[Challenger]

Most projections show that the Christians and Muslims will be the clear majority in a relatively short time. Taking more and more of the Christian and Muslim land is playing into the Christians and Muslims hands as it has made a two state solution impossible. And, there will not be the ethnic cleansing of millions of people.

The Christians can stay...

The Muslims have to go...

Why?

Because the Jews of Israel - like folks in The West - like Christians much better than we like Muslims...

Much better...

Christians represent a microscopic percentage of the Palestinian population...

You giving them top billing (mentioning them first) and pretending that their interests are co-joined and implying that they are staunch allies, is a laughable and hugely failing tactic...

A handful of Palestinian Christian land-owners and academicians indicating the contrary notwithstanding...

Otherwise, the Christians of The West would not be so heavily vested-in and committed-to the establishment and the sustenance of Eretz Yisrael.

Christians of the West are not at all committed to Israel, only Americans.

"The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."

BBC poll Israel among world s least popular nations - World - Israel News Haaretz

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

Wont work as it just shows how BIASED and FASCIST the neo Marxists really are when faced with the truth.

 

[Kondor3]

A majority of the Anglo-Saxon Christians of the UK seem to feel differently... hell, even your Cameron came flat-out a few years ago and stated that 'multiculturalism' (codespeak for 'Muslim integration') wasn't working. And he was right. Your own country is filling quickly with fifth-columnists. It won't be yours for much longer, at this pace.

Spoken like a true paranoid. Luckily there aren't that many Christian religious fundamentalists in the UK, so they can think and feel what they like, he's not MY Cameron, and it's clear you have no idea what multiculturalism is all about.

I really and truly don't give a tinker's damn whether you perceive that as paranoid...

It is the operative mindset in The West, with good reason, and it will continue thus for many years to come...

And, yes, indeed, I do understand what 'multiculturalism' is all about...

Looks great on paper..

Sucks in real life...

To the extent where folks such as the UK's Cameron and Germany's Merkel have labeled it a failed social engineering methodology...

Hell, the French have had a bellyful of your friends, as well...

Declaring such a fact - the failure of European multiculturalism - years after it became an established fact...

Late, of course, but better late than never...

It's the operative mindset amongst the political Right and racists in general, I agree.

No, it's the operative mindset within the domains of secularized Christendom (largely Europe, Russia, the Americas, and Oceania), amongst people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics.

There is nothing bigoted nor 'racist' about labeling Islam as incompatible with The West - rather, such labeling is merely an acknowledgement of Reality - what is.

Besides... Islam is not a 'race'... consequently, charges of 'racism' are largely moot.

Multiculturalism (in the context of integrating Islam with Western life) does not work.

Europe has already given that concept a fair shake - its' own fair chance - and seen it fail, miserably, time and again.

To the extent where European leaders have flatly stated that it has failed.

Realism, not racism.

The, "people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics." Are usually Christian fundamentalists or conservative right-wingers who see "threats" where none exist in reality and blow things out of proportion to suit their "Chicken-Little" mentalities. I'm well aware that Islam is not a race, I included racists because their mindset is similar; an unreasoning and bigoted fear of "the other" which generates hatred accordingly.

When Cameron, et al. pontificate about the "failure of multiculturalism" they invariably refer to state imposed, top-down, multiculturalism, with emphasis on "political correctness", "positive descrimination", etc. all this has done is either re-enforced or created cultural conservatism between the various cultures involved. To that extent, State multiculturalism has indeed failed. This however, is not what multiculturalism was ever about; at the grass-roots level and within communities it has functioned and continues to do so very well, fostering mutual recognition and respect and dispelling that fear of "the other".

Do yourself a favour, visit a Mosque and talk to Muslims, or a Prasada and speak to Hindus, or a Gurdwara and talk to Sikhs, the experience will broaden your mind.

You are entitled to your opinion.

As to tolerance and multiculturalism...

You will find me far more inclined to take it seriously, and far more receptive to such suggestions, the very minute that I see a handful of Christian churches, cathedrals, etc., and a handful of Synagogues, established, thriving, and operating unfettered, in Mecca and Medinah...

Reciprocity is the key...

No reciprocity, no further (or continued) accommodation...

Heretofore, it's been damned one-sided...

That has to stop... and it has to manifest spontaneously from the other side, unbidden... before it will be taken seriously.

Let me know, when we're coming-up on that glorious milestone, wot?

 

[Phoenall]

A majority of the Anglo-Saxon Christians of the UK seem to feel differently... hell, even your Cameron came flat-out a few years ago and stated that 'multiculturalism' (codespeak for 'Muslim integration') wasn't working. And he was right. Your own country is filling quickly with fifth-columnists. It won't be yours for much longer, at this pace.

Spoken like a true paranoid. Luckily there aren't that many Christian religious fundamentalists in the UK, so they can think and feel what they like, he's not MY Cameron, and it's clear you have no idea what multiculturalism is all about.

I really and truly don't give a tinker's damn whether you perceive that as paranoid...

It is the operative mindset in The West, with good reason, and it will continue thus for many years to come...

And, yes, indeed, I do understand what 'multiculturalism' is all about...

Looks great on paper..

Sucks in real life...

To the extent where folks such as the UK's Cameron and Germany's Merkel have labeled it a failed social engineering methodology...

Hell, the French have had a bellyful of your friends, as well...

Declaring such a fact - the failure of European multiculturalism - years after it became an established fact...

Late, of course, but better late than never...

It's the operative mindset amongst the political Right and racists in general, I agree.

No, it's the operative mindset within the domains of secularized Christendom (largely Europe, Russia, the Americas, and Oceania), amongst people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics.

There is nothing bigoted nor 'racist' about labeling Islam as incompatible with The West - rather, such labeling is merely an acknowledgement of Reality - what is.

Besides... Islam is not a 'race'... consequently, charges of 'racism' are largely moot.

Multiculturalism (in the context of integrating Islam with Western life) does not work.

Europe has already given that concept a fair shake - its' own fair chance - and seen it fail, miserably, time and again.

To the extent where European leaders have flatly stated that it has failed.

Realism, not racism.

The, "people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics." Are usually Christian fundamentalists or conservative right-wingers who see "threats" where none exist in reality and blow things out of proportion to suit their "Chicken-Little" mentalities. I'm well aware that Islam is not a race, I included racists because their mindset is similar; an unreasoning and bigoted fear of "the other" which generates hatred accordingly.

When Cameron, et al. pontificate about the "failure of multiculturalism" they invariably refer to state imposed, top-down, multiculturalism, with emphasis on "political correctness", "positive descrimination", etc. all this has done is either re-enforced or created cultural conservatism between the various cultures involved. To that extent, State multiculturalism has indeed failed. This however, is not what multiculturalism was ever about; at the grass-roots level and within communities it has functioned and continues to do so very well, fostering mutual recognition and respect and dispelling that fear of "the other".

Do yourself a favour, visit a Mosque and talk to Muslims, or a Prasada and speak to Hindus, or a Gurdwara and talk to Sikhs, the experience will broaden your mind.

Don't need to as the muslims set themselves up in enclaves segregating themselves from the rest of the population. They turn those enclaves into little versions of Beirut and Gaza, right down to the heaps of rocks and the burnt out cars. You can smell the rot and decay before you even see the enclaves, and you fear walking around them the hostile looks from the denizens are so alarming. Not nice seeing cardboard windows where once there were homes to be proud of.

 

[Phoenall]

The Christians can stay...

The Muslims have to go...

Why?

Because the Jews of Israel - like folks in The West - like Christians much better than we like Muslims...

Much better...

Christians represent a microscopic percentage of the Palestinian population...

You giving them top billing (mentioning them first) and pretending that their interests are co-joined and implying that they are staunch allies, is a laughable and hugely failing tactic...

A handful of Palestinian Christian land-owners and academicians indicating the contrary notwithstanding...

Otherwise, the Christians of The West would not be so heavily vested-in and committed-to the establishment and the sustenance of Eretz Yisrael.

Christians of the West are not at all committed to Israel, only Americans.

"The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."

BBC poll Israel among world s least popular nations - World - Israel News Haaretz

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

Wont work as it just shows how BIASED and FASCIST the neo Marxists really are when faced with the truth.

Your personal abuse is against the rules and if enough people complain to the mods you could face action.

 

[Challenger]

Christians of the West are not at all committed to Israel, only Americans.

"The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."

BBC poll Israel among world s least popular nations - World - Israel News Haaretz

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

Wont work as it just shows how BIASED and FASCIST the neo Marxists really are when faced with the truth.

Your personal abuse is against the rules and if enough people complain to the mods you could face action.

 

[Phoenall]

The one that was heavily weighted against Israel and contained just 3 questions. Even the BBC admitted that it was ANTI ISREAL and don't use the same format anymore, they will most probably lose their funding this year over their ANTI SEMITISM

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

Wont work as it just shows how BIASED and FASCIST the neo Marxists really are when faced with the truth.

Your personal abuse is against the rules and if enough people complain to the mods you could face action.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

 

[Challenger]

Spoken like a true paranoid. Luckily there aren't that many Christian religious fundamentalists in the UK, so they can think and feel what they like, he's not MY Cameron, and it's clear you have no idea what multiculturalism is all about.

I really and truly don't give a tinker's damn whether you perceive that as paranoid...

It is the operative mindset in The West, with good reason, and it will continue thus for many years to come...

And, yes, indeed, I do understand what 'multiculturalism' is all about...

Looks great on paper..

Sucks in real life...

To the extent where folks such as the UK's Cameron and Germany's Merkel have labeled it a failed social engineering methodology...

Hell, the French have had a bellyful of your friends, as well...

Declaring such a fact - the failure of European multiculturalism - years after it became an established fact...

Late, of course, but better late than never...

It's the operative mindset amongst the political Right and racists in general, I agree.

No, it's the operative mindset within the domains of secularized Christendom (largely Europe, Russia, the Americas, and Oceania), amongst people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics.

There is nothing bigoted nor 'racist' about labeling Islam as incompatible with The West - rather, such labeling is merely an acknowledgement of Reality - what is.

Besides... Islam is not a 'race'... consequently, charges of 'racism' are largely moot.

Multiculturalism (in the context of integrating Islam with Western life) does not work.

Europe has already given that concept a fair shake - its' own fair chance - and seen it fail, miserably, time and again.

To the extent where European leaders have flatly stated that it has failed.

Realism, not racism.

The, "people who either comprehend or sense the dangers inherent in Islamic dogma and teachings, and their incompatibility with Western culture and ideals and democracy and domestic politics." Are usually Christian fundamentalists or conservative right-wingers who see "threats" where none exist in reality and blow things out of proportion to suit their "Chicken-Little" mentalities. I'm well aware that Islam is not a race, I included racists because their mindset is similar; an unreasoning and bigoted fear of "the other" which generates hatred accordingly.

When Cameron, et al. pontificate about the "failure of multiculturalism" they invariably refer to state imposed, top-down, multiculturalism, with emphasis on "political correctness", "positive descrimination", etc. all this has done is either re-enforced or created cultural conservatism between the various cultures involved. To that extent, State multiculturalism has indeed failed. This however, is not what multiculturalism was ever about; at the grass-roots level and within communities it has functioned and continues to do so very well, fostering mutual recognition and respect and dispelling that fear of "the other".

Do yourself a favour, visit a Mosque and talk to Muslims, or a Prasada and speak to Hindus, or a Gurdwara and talk to Sikhs, the experience will broaden your mind.

You are entitled to your opinion.

As to tolerance and multiculturalism...

You will find me far more inclined to take it seriously, and far more receptive to such suggestions, the very minute that I see a handful of Christian churches, cathedrals, etc., and a handful of Synagogues, established, thriving, and operating unfettered, in Mecca and Medinah...

Reciprocity is the key...

No reciprocity, no further (or continued) accommodation...

Heretofore, it's been damned one-sided...

That has to stop... and it has to manifest spontaneously from the other side, unbidden... before it will be taken seriously.

Let me know, when we're coming-up on that glorious milestone, wot?

As you are to yours, twas ever thus.
Interesting.
From your post then, in order for you to exercise tolerance and respect for other cultures, the extremist, theocratic, Saudi state has to allow Churches and Synagogues to function openly?

So the fact that Christian Churches exist and function (with no more prejudice and interference than Mosques/muslims encounter in the West) in Turkey, Indonesia , Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, and many other Muslim countries around the world is insufficient reciprocity in your view?

Did you know the first Mosque in Rome was inaugurated only as recently as 1995?

 

[Challenger]

Granpa Phoney's off his meds again.

Wont work as it just shows how BIASED and FASCIST the neo Marxists really are when faced with the truth.

Your personal abuse is against the rules and if enough people complain to the mods you could face action.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Ooooh Remember your alleged heart condition.

 

[Kondor3]

...From your post then, in order for you to exercise tolerance and respect for other cultures, the extremist, theocratic, Saudi state has to allow Churches and Synagogues to function openly?...

The West has been far more tolerant of Islam in its midst, than Islam has been of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc., in modern times. Tolerance on the part of the rulers and population of the Home Base of Islam is not a prerequisite for The West to tolerate Islam in its midst, of course. But it is the canary in the coal mine, regarding reciprocity, and marks the limits of Western patience and willingness to tolerate Islam while its own suffer continued and increasing persecution in a wide range of Muslim-dominated countries and regions.

...So the fact that Christian Churches exist and function (with no more prejudice and interference than Mosques/muslims encounter in the West) in Turkey, Indonesia , Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, and many other Muslim countries around the world is insufficient reciprocity in your view?...

You refer, of course, to the second-class citizenship or Dhimmitude to which Christians, Jews, et al, have been condemned for centuries on-end, in Muslim-dominated states - when they weren't driven underground or persecuted near to extinction, that is? I wonder how well Western-resident Muslims would react to being consigned to a modern-day Dhimmitude based upon their religious confession?

...Did you know the first Mosque in Rome was inaugurated only as recently as 1995?

Twenty years ago, in this modern era of Islamic savagery?

That's great.

A very long time ago, indeed, in light of how dangerous and untrustworthy and hostile that Muslims have proven themselves, in connection with Western culture and values.

A marvelous example of tolerance and patience and goodwill and hopefulness - misplaced, perhaps, but worth a try, before abandoning the approach.

When did the first equivalent and currently-functioning Christian cathedral open in Mecca or Medinah?

 

[Challenger]

...From your post then, in order for you to exercise tolerance and respect for other cultures, the extremist, theocratic, Saudi state has to allow Churches and Synagogues to function openly?...

The West has been far more tolerant of Islam in its midst, than Islam has been of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc., in modern times. Tolerance on the part of the rulers and population of the Home Base of Islam is not a prerequisite for The West to tolerate Islam in its midst, of course. But it is the canary in the coal mine, regarding reciprocity, and marks the limits of Western patience and willingness to tolerate Islam while its own suffer continued and increasing persecution in a wide range of Muslim-dominated countries and regions.

...So the fact that Christian Churches exist and function (with no more prejudice and interference than Mosques/muslims encounter in the West) in Turkey, Indonesia , Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, and many other Muslim countries around the world is insufficient reciprocity in your view?...

You refer, of course, to the second-class citizenship or Dhimmitude to which Christians, Jews, et al, have been condemned for centuries on-end, in Muslim-dominated states - when they weren't driven underground or persecuted near to extinction, that is? I wonder how well Western-resident Muslims would react to being consigned to a modern-day Dhimmitude based upon their religious confession?

...Did you know the first Mosque in Rome was inaugurated only as recently as 1995?

Twenty years ago, in this modern era of Islamic savagery?

That's great.

A very long time ago, indeed, in light of how dangerous and untrustworthy and hostile that Muslims have proven themselves, in connection with Western culture and values.

A marvelous example of tolerance and patience and goodwill and hopefulness - misplaced, perhaps, but worth a try, before abandoning the approach.

When did the first equivalent and currently-functioning Christian cathedral open in Mecca or Medinah?

Hardly reciprocity, Mecca and Medina are considered a "holy zone" by the Saudi's and many other Muslims. You are asking the equivalent of converting one of the side chapels in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome into a Mosque. When Pope Francis invites Muslims to do that, rest assured I will stare intently at the Saudis to see what they do in return. Christianity and Judaeism have survived and thrived in the Islamic world throughout history, and Islam has proven as least as tolerant of Christianity and Judaism than vice versa over the same time frame.

Oh please. "Dhimmitude" doesn't exist any more, if it ever did in the first place. The concept is an invention of Bat Ye'or, the nut-job who wrote the conspiracy theorists wet-dream "Eurabia" and the Dhimma contract hasn't been enforced since the mid 19th century.

Lastly my point about the mosque in Rome was to illustrate we're not that much more "advanced" or "superior" spiritually or morally than the Islamic world.

 

[Kondor3]

...From your post then, in order for you to exercise tolerance and respect for other cultures, the extremist, theocratic, Saudi state has to allow Churches and Synagogues to function openly?...

The West has been far more tolerant of Islam in its midst, than Islam has been of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc., in modern times. Tolerance on the part of the rulers and population of the Home Base of Islam is not a prerequisite for The West to tolerate Islam in its midst, of course. But it is the canary in the coal mine, regarding reciprocity, and marks the limits of Western patience and willingness to tolerate Islam while its own suffer continued and increasing persecution in a wide range of Muslim-dominated countries and regions.

...So the fact that Christian Churches exist and function (with no more prejudice and interference than Mosques/muslims encounter in the West) in Turkey, Indonesia , Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, and many other Muslim countries around the world is insufficient reciprocity in your view?...

You refer, of course, to the second-class citizenship or Dhimmitude to which Christians, Jews, et al, have been condemned for centuries on-end, in Muslim-dominated states - when they weren't driven underground or persecuted near to extinction, that is? I wonder how well Western-resident Muslims would react to being consigned to a modern-day Dhimmitude based upon their religious confession?

...Did you know the first Mosque in Rome was inaugurated only as recently as 1995?

Twenty years ago, in this modern era of Islamic savagery?

That's great.

A very long time ago, indeed, in light of how dangerous and untrustworthy and hostile that Muslims have proven themselves, in connection with Western culture and values.

A marvelous example of tolerance and patience and goodwill and hopefulness - misplaced, perhaps, but worth a try, before abandoning the approach.

When did the first equivalent and currently-functioning Christian cathedral open in Mecca or Medinah?

Hardly reciprocity, Mecca and Medina are considered a "holy zone" by the Saudi's and many other Muslims. You are asking the equivalent of converting one of the side chapels in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome into a Mosque. When Pope Francis invites Muslims to do that, rest assured I will stare intently at the Saudis to see what they do in return. Christianity and Judaeism have survived and thrived in the Islamic world throughout history, and Islam has proven as least as tolerant of Christianity and Judaism than vice versa over the same time frame.

Oh please. "Dhimmitude" doesn't exist any more, if it ever did in the first place. The concept is an invention of Bat Ye'or, the nut-job who wrote the conspiracy theorists wet-dream "Eurabia" and the Dhimma contract hasn't been enforced since the mid 19th century.

Lastly my point about the mosque in Rome was to illustrate we're not that much more "advanced" or "superior" spiritually or morally than the Islamic world.

We could go back and forth for a long time, about religious tolerance in setting A or B, to little avail; we see this quite differently.

The only noteworthy exception I'll take here is your analogy regarding Mecca and Medina... we are talking about entire cities rather than naves in a cathedral.

The fully functional equivalent (and analogy) would be to prohibit all but Christians from entering the city of Rome itself.