"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Victory67]

My favorite strawman.
ONE Jew is assassinated by ONE Jew and we pretty much went into a universal state of mourning over such a horrific act.
In the meanwhile Muslims slaughter Muslims en-masse for DECADES and jump for joy in public.

Tell the Jews on the Altalena, that Jews don't kill Jews.

Altalena Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indeependent]

My favorite strawman.
ONE Jew is assassinated by ONE Jew and we pretty much went into a universal state of mourning over such a horrific act.
In the meanwhile Muslims slaughter Muslims en-masse for DECADES and jump for joy in public.

Tell the Jews on the Altalena, that Jews don't kill Jews.

Altalena Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still fishing and trying to compare.
The vessel was filled with Jewish Jews.
The original pioneers of Israel were self-hating Jews; everybody knows that.


And I'm sure you've prepared a third installment.
You DO have a third installment?

 

[Victory67]

Still fishing and trying to compare.
The vessel was filled with Jewish Jews.
The original pioneers of Israel were self-hating Jews; everybody knows that.

And I'm sure you've prepared a third installment.
You DO have a third installment?

I'm sorry, did you just state that the first Zionists were self-hating Jews?

That's some very interesting and valuable quote material.

Thank you.

 

[Hossfly]

Of course there will be no examples forthcoming.

How about you giving an example of how Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

I just gave a couple.

You need to keep up.

You showed a couple of phony videos. Pallywood.

 

[Indeependent]

Still fishing and trying to compare.
The vessel was filled with Jewish Jews.
The original pioneers of Israel were self-hating Jews; everybody knows that.

And I'm sure you've prepared a third installment.
You DO have a third installment?

I'm sorry, did you just state that the first Zionists were self-hating Jews?

That's some very interesting and valuable quote material.

Thank you.

You didn't know this already?
Most of the genetic Jews that came from Europe wanted a secular nation.
That's one of the reasons they begged the WBJs not to leave when Jordan wanted to start rolling in with their tanks.

 

[Victory67]

You didn't know this already?
Most of the genetic Jews that came from Europe wanted a secular nation.
That's one of the reasons they begged the WBJs not to leave when Jordan wanted to start rolling in with their tanks.

So a Zionist that wants Israel to be a secular state and not run by Jewish religious law, is a self-hating Jew? Interesting.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Of course there will be no examples forthcoming.

Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety

How about you giving an example of how Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

I just gave a couple.

You need to keep up.

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

 

[Indeependent]

You didn't know this already?
Most of the genetic Jews that came from Europe wanted a secular nation.
That's one of the reasons they begged the WBJs not to leave when Jordan wanted to start rolling in with their tanks.

So a Zionist that wants Israel to be a secular state and not run by Jewish religious law, is a self-hating Jew? Interesting.

They were openly honest about being vehemently non-Torah observant, but humanistic.
I have known people of all religions who hate their religion; to them it's not good enough to simply be a person, they actually voice contempt for the religion into they were born.

That also blows away your "historical facts" that they wanted to rid themselves of the WBJs; that was a LONG term plan, not short term.

 

[toastman]

How about you giving an example of how Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

I just gave a couple.

You need to keep up.

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

He does this all the time. You ask him for examples, and he claims he gave some

 

[Victory67]

They were openly honest about being vehemently non-Torah observant, but humanistic.
I have known people of all religions who hate their religion; to them it's not good enough to simply be a person, they actually voice contempt for the religion into they were born.

That also blows away your "historical facts" that they wanted to rid themselves of the WBJs; that was a LONG term plan, not short term.

Funny as the non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews might call you "self-hating", because of your hate and intolerant views towards your fellow Jews.

I've never heard a Jew call another Jew "self-hating" just because they believe in a secular Jewish state. Thank you for enlightening me.

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]
[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39069]toastman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15726]Hossfly[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION]

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

They were openly honest about being vehemently non-Torah observant, but humanistic.
I have known people of all religions who hate their religion; to them it's not good enough to simply be a person, they actually voice contempt for the religion into they were born.

That also blows away your "historical facts" that they wanted to rid themselves of the WBJs; that was a LONG term plan, not short term.

Funny as the non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews might call you "self-hating", because of your hate and intolerant views towards your fellow Jews.

I've never heard a Jew call another Jew "self-hating" just because they believe in a secular Jewish state. Thank you for enlightening me.

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]
[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39069]toastman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15726]Hossfly[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION]

There you go with your mentions again. We reply to what we want and when we want and we don't run to threads because the playground tell-tale orders us.

 

[Indeependent]

They were openly honest about being vehemently non-Torah observant, but humanistic.
I have known people of all religions who hate their religion; to them it's not good enough to simply be a person, they actually voice contempt for the religion into they were born.

That also blows away your "historical facts" that they wanted to rid themselves of the WBJs; that was a LONG term plan, not short term.

Funny as the non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews might call you "self-hating", because of your hate and intolerant views towards your fellow Jews.

I've never heard a Jew call another Jew "self-hating" just because they believe in a secular Jewish state. Thank you for enlightening me.

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]
[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39069]toastman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15726]Hossfly[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION]

Wow! You are naïve.
Being non-Observant, as I was growing up, did NOT foster in me a sense of loathing for either Judaism as an abstract or for Observant Jews.

Even the phrase Observant Jews is relative...
I'm am NOT Observant compared to Moshe, David, Rebbi or Rav Feinstein.
I study by myself and with others and, being a human being, have my own inclinations.

A truly Torah Observant person would NOT be posting on a forum; I would either be studying with others or engaged in a community activity helping others.

None of the above users seem to hate their Jewish heritage and all I am doing is enjoying their intelligence, insight and pride in their ancestry.
I am also trying to sprinkle some actual Torah knowledge onto a subject because some people here spout things out after spending 10 seconds on Wikipedia.

 

[Hossfly]

They were openly honest about being vehemently non-Torah observant, but humanistic.
I have known people of all religions who hate their religion; to them it's not good enough to simply be a person, they actually voice contempt for the religion into they were born.

That also blows away your "historical facts" that they wanted to rid themselves of the WBJs; that was a LONG term plan, not short term.

Funny as the non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews might call you "self-hating", because of your hate and intolerant views towards your fellow Jews.

I've never heard a Jew call another Jew "self-hating" just because they believe in a secular Jewish state. Thank you for enlightening me.

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]
[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39069]toastman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15726]Hossfly[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION]

I'm not Jewish, Herr Weil Ich Weiss and there's no such thing as a"self-hating Jew". Just a person who hates himself for whatever reason. BTW, are you enjoying your occasional trip to Gaza? Have you completed the course in Jihad yet?

 

[RoccoR]

Hossfly, Victory67, et al,

There are functions in mathematics where the equation becomes "undefined;" when expression is evaluated for input values outside of its domain. The equation makes absolute sense until you reach a specific point; and may even make sense beyond that point. But at that specific point - there is no rule in math to cover it; and so we say "result has no meaning" (it becomes an undefined rational expression).

Yes, interesting. Your kind don't believe the Holocaust occured, then you cite the Holocaust. Interesting indeed.

My "kind"? What kind might that be?

The kind who try to convince the world that Jews cause all the ills of the world.

(COMMENT)

The Arab culture, for many of us, is an undefined equation that sets reality to a condition that apparently contradicts itself and yet might be true; we say "paradox." The doctrine of todays Arab Culture sees the plight and condition of the Jews as "undefined." The simply cannot see result which makes sense to them. So, in a very heartless and cruel way, the Arab (much like the mathematician) draws a circle around that point and ignores it. They simply see the Jewish People as a naturally occurring anomaly that makes not sense to them --- and so they simply ignore it. Oh, they know the Jews are there, because they drew a circle around them; but, they focus on the numbers with meaning to them (favoring the status of the established inhabitants that make sense to them). They do this because they cannot assimilate them, they cannot use them, they don't understand them, and even their symbology is alien to them (the Star of David so radically different from the Crescent Moon). It is the fixation you often hear when they refer to the Jews as foreigners. To the Arab, there is nothing that can be more important then themselves (ethnocentric) and nothing least important or relevant than the foreigner (nativism). To consider it from any other perspective makes absolutely no sense to them (the Arab).

Some cultures, over time, grow out of this and realize that the "undefined" term (the Jews) actually has meaning and value. Not the Arab; not yet! Maybe never!

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sally]

They were openly honest about being vehemently non-Torah observant, but humanistic.
I have known people of all religions who hate their religion; to them it's not good enough to simply be a person, they actually voice contempt for the religion into they were born.

That also blows away your "historical facts" that they wanted to rid themselves of the WBJs; that was a LONG term plan, not short term.

Funny as the non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews might call you "self-hating", because of your hate and intolerant views towards your fellow Jews.

I've never heard a Jew call another Jew "self-hating" just because they believe in a secular Jewish state. Thank you for enlightening me.

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]
[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=39069]toastman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15726]Hossfly[/MENTION]
[MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION]

I'm not Jewish, Herr Weil Ich Weiss and there's no such thing as a"self-hating Jew". Just a person who hates himself for whatever reason. BTW, are you enjoying your occasional trip to Gaza? Have you completed the course in Jihad yet?

When that video was shown of the summer camp in Gaza, I was wondering if Herr Weil Ich Weiss was a counselor there. In many groups of people, you will find self-hating types who hate themselves for what they are -- be it their religion, their race, their ethnicity.

 

[Victory67]

I'm not Jewish, Herr Weil Ich Weiss and there's no such thing as a"self-hating Jew". Just a person who hates himself for whatever reason. BTW, are you enjoying your occasional trip to Gaza? Have you completed the course in Jihad yet?

[MENTION=46133]Indeependent[/MENTION] and [MENTION=36253]Sally[/MENTION] disagree with you.

I wish you Zionists could agree at least once. On at least one thing.

 

[Indeependent]

I'm not Jewish, Herr Weil Ich Weiss and there's no such thing as a"self-hating Jew". Just a person who hates himself for whatever reason. BTW, are you enjoying your occasional trip to Gaza? Have you completed the course in Jihad yet?

[MENTION=46133]Indeependent[/MENTION] and [MENTION=36253]Sally[/MENTION] disagree with you.

I wish you Zionists could agree at least once. On at least one thing.

That's because, as a Jew who wears a yalmulka, I encounter non-observant Jews, including relatives, who react to my presence in a manner in which they would not react to Hossfly.

I have a simple response for those who remark that I cannot eat because "the food has not been blessed by a rabbi"...More for you!

"You can't drive to the party Friday night?"...Nope, I'm eating with my family, taking a short nap and having sex with {my wife's name}; you?

"Doesn't that yarmulke drive you crazy?"
It covers my bald spot and protects me from rain.

And assorted others.

 

[Hossfly]

Hossfly, Victory67, et al,

There are functions in mathematics where the equation becomes "undefined;" when expression is evaluated for input values outside of its domain. The equation makes absolute sense until you reach a specific point; and may even make sense beyond that point. But at that specific point - there is no rule in math to cover it; and so we say "result has no meaning" (it becomes an undefined rational expression).

My "kind"? What kind might that be?

The kind who try to convince the world that Jews cause all the ills of the world.

(COMMENT)

The Arab culture, for many of us, is an undefined equation that sets reality to a condition that apparently contradicts itself and yet might be true; we say "paradox." The doctrine of todays Arab Culture sees the plight and condition of the Jews as "undefined." The simply cannot see result which makes sense to them. So, in a very heartless and cruel way, the Arab (much like the mathematician) draws a circle around that point and ignores it. They simply see the Jewish People as a naturally occurring anomaly that makes not sense to them --- and so they simply ignore it. Oh, they know the Jews are there, because they drew a circle around them; but, they focus on the numbers with meaning to them (favoring the status of the established inhabitants that make sense to them). They do this because they cannot assimilate them, they cannot use them, they don't understand them, and even their symbology is alien to them (the Star of David so radically different from the Crescent Moon). It is the fixation you often hear when they refer to the Jews as foreigners. To the Arab, there is nothing that can be more important then themselves (ethnocentric) and nothing least important or relevant than the foreigner (nativism). To consider it from any other perspective makes absolutely no sense to them (the Arab).

Some cultures, over time, grow out of this and realize that the "undefined" term (the Jews) actually has meaning and value. Not the Arab; not yet! Maybe never!

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

I have encountered and reacted with a number of Arab Muslims from various countries, different cultures and sects. I mostly find them to be overbearing, jealous, vindictive over the slightest imagined insult and somewhat childish. I don't hold it against them for I know it's their nature. They are to be pitied.

 

[Coyote]

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

 

[Victory67]

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.