"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

JDL is up for debate????

Seriously? If you excuse their actions as non terrorist, I am amazed.

Some of their actions are pure terrorism. Some can be viewed as heroic.

What's why I said "It's up for debate" and didn't say "They aren't terrorist".

See the dif?

Quite a while back there was a poster who was a Christian man from the New York area. He was a member of the JDL in New York, and there was a website for the JDL where all those joining made comments. Many of the new members happened to be Christians. I would imagine that they were trying to help the Jews in New York from those who would attack them.

Is violent anti-semitism that big a problem in NYC? It's generally a very cosmopolitian, very ethnically mixed city with a large and long established Jewish population.

I have no doubts that the JDL is accurately classified as terrorist unless they've renounced violence and I've not found anything on that. Once they start targeting innocent people for violence - they've lost any moral highground and it doesn't matter, in my opinion - how much "good" they were supposedly doing. You can't right a wrong with more wrongs - at least that is how I've come to view it.
 
Isn't that what she asked you to do ?

I never heard of that Egyptian official or that statement..

Sinai an Canaan was controlled by Egypt in antiquity and Gaza was administered by Egypt for decades.

The People.. whether they are Syrian, Palestinian or Egyptian are all related thru family and share many surnames.

Was your family from Palestine or did they immigrated from Europe or Russia?

My dad was born in Poland in 1949, but moved to Israel when he was barely two years old with his brother and parents
My mother was born in Morocco and moved to Israel in her twenties with her brothers, sisters and parents.
My parents met in Haifa.

Thank you ... that was civil and informative.
 
Isn't that what she asked you to do ?

I'm shocked. Miss Know-it-all throws things out, but she can't do any research on finding who the Egyptian official was. I think the official knew what he was talking about when he made that statement even though Shaarona herself would probably call him a liar.

Sally. You brought up this Egyptian official.

Either source it or admit it was BS and you're flailing around trying to deflect.

It's not Shaarona's job to source your claims.

Who was it?

Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |
 
Some of their actions are pure terrorism. Some can be viewed as heroic.

What's why I said "It's up for debate" and didn't say "They aren't terrorist".

See the dif?

Quite a while back there was a poster who was a Christian man from the New York area. He was a member of the JDL in New York, and there was a website for the JDL where all those joining made comments. Many of the new members happened to be Christians. I would imagine that they were trying to help the Jews in New York from those who would attack them.

Is violent anti-semitism that big a problem in NYC? It's generally a very cosmopolitian, very ethnically mixed city with a large and long established Jewish population.

I have no doubts that the JDL is accurately classified as terrorist unless they've renounced violence and I've not found anything on that. Once they start targeting innocent people for violence - they've lost any moral highground and it doesn't matter, in my opinion - how much "good" they were supposedly doing. You can't right a wrong with more wrongs - at least that is how I've come to view it.

Have you ever thought that there were Jews who actually were set upon in New York (just like they are set upon in Europe), and those Christians who joined the JDL wanted to help out. I don't think that thought would ever cross your mind.
 
Is violent anti-semitism that big a problem in NYC? It's generally a very cosmopolitian, very ethnically mixed city with a large and long established Jewish population.

I have no doubts that the JDL is accurately classified as terrorist unless they've renounced violence and I've not found anything on that. Once they start targeting innocent people for violence - they've lost any moral highground and it doesn't matter, in my opinion - how much "good" they were supposedly doing. You can't right a wrong with more wrongs - at least that is how I've come to view it.

Violent anti-Semitism isn't a major problem in the USA. Hasn't been for decades.
 
I was in Britain and several European countries over the summer.

The situation with the Muslim invasion is disgusting, and the people are not happy about it at all.

People usually aren't happy with "foreigners" and "outsiders" and any group that isn't percieved to fit the majority culture. Why do you think groups like KKK or EDL and tons of others still thrive? Why do you think each wave of immigrants has been met with hostility, stereotypes and discrimmination? Nothing really changes.
Oh please you have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. Burka clad women and their male masters all over the place, "no go neighborhoods" where the Brits are scared to enter. Terrorism threats. Shariah law problems. This is not an "anti immigration" issue.

In my travels I've been places where I had to don the shroud and cover my face. Except that my walk was identifiable as western, I didn't get leers or cat calls as I walked by. On the other hand, as thin as it was, I still felt suffocated and over heated. I felt apart from society, invisible and of not importance. A ghost walking though the world, the last to be spoken to and have my words dismisses as if a child. I was trying to respect tradition but I could not wait to get out that thing and away from people that demeaned it. I also have the privilege of traveling through the middle east in times where as long as you dresses relatively modest, no hot pants and tight shirts cut down to there, you can be free to move around and meet people, and they don't scorn you for your appearance.
Allah did not demand women hid themselves. During Mohammed's time, women wore bright colors and jewelry to be attractive. Mohammed did not women to be immodest and asked that they cover their breast. He did however go into battle with women who lead armies bare breasted and fought fearlessly with a sword.
It is one thing to have a cover against the desert sand and sun, but it was not tradition to hind away totally when out in town. Wives of sultans might have been hidden in harams, but that was no so for the common women who also were able to operate their own businesses. Most women had some male protector, family, but others might have had slaves or hired a man to act as a "body guard".
Burkas used to be seen only in rural traditional ares and were rather an oddity like a tribal costume. Women of all areas still loved to adorn themselves in color and makeup, or henna, and jewelry was their private wealth, like a private savings account or a rainy day.
Women were beautiful and they walked with pride in public. Most urban women were educated not just in culture but business and politics.
I'm saddened to see so many women mistake tribal culture for religious requirements.

Hijab or not women should not hide behind modesty, before god or men. God made us as we are and dress or in birthday suit women should stand proud and self sufficient. Learning should never stop. We should understand the culture around us not just within religion. Learn from them, be apart of them, but if religious we observe faith inside us or in private. Religion should not be shield we shove in the face or other or hide behind, it is a tool to make people more aware and caring or others. To be more in tune with the world, not fight against it.

Israel at a Point of No Return - In the Right Direction :: Middle East Forum
I fund this rather interesting regarding women, education, technology and religion
People of all faiths and traditions can work together and help each others.
 
I never heard of that Egyptian official or that statement..

Sinai an Canaan was controlled by Egypt in antiquity and Gaza was administered by Egypt for decades.

The People.. whether they are Syrian, Palestinian or Egyptian are all related thru family and share many surnames.

Was your family from Palestine or did they immigrated from Europe or Russia?

My dad was born in Poland in 1949, but moved to Israel when he was barely two years old with his brother and parents
My mother was born in Morocco and moved to Israel in her twenties with her brothers, sisters and parents.
My parents met in Haifa.

Thank you ... that was civil and informative.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not
 
Do you live in New York, Victory, so you absolutely know what is going on? Meanwhile, the majority of the hate crimes committed in the U.S. are against the Jews and the Blacks. I am sure you can research this.
 
Isn't that what she asked you to do ?

I never heard of that Egyptian official or that statement..

Sinai an Canaan was controlled by Egypt in antiquity and Gaza was administered by Egypt for decades.

The People.. whether they are Syrian, Palestinian or Egyptian are all related thru family and share many surnames.

Was your family from Palestine or did they immigrated from Europe or Russia?

My dad was born in Poland in 1949, but moved to Israel when he was barely two years old with his brother and parents
My mother was born in Morocco and moved to Israel in her twenties with her brothers, sisters and parents.
My parents met in Haifa.

You have a fascinating ethnic/cultural mix Toastman - that must have made for an interesting childhood. Morocco is a country I would like to visit someday (this is, of course, after I've won the lottery).
 
Do you live in New York, Victory, so you absolutely know what is going on? Meanwhile, the majority of the hate crimes committed in the U.S. are against the Jews and the Blacks. I am sure you can research this.

When was the last time a Jew was murdered in the USA simple because he was a Jew?
 
Quite a while back there was a poster who was a Christian man from the New York area. He was a member of the JDL in New York, and there was a website for the JDL where all those joining made comments. Many of the new members happened to be Christians. I would imagine that they were trying to help the Jews in New York from those who would attack them.

Is violent anti-semitism that big a problem in NYC? It's generally a very cosmopolitian, very ethnically mixed city with a large and long established Jewish population.

I have no doubts that the JDL is accurately classified as terrorist unless they've renounced violence and I've not found anything on that. Once they start targeting innocent people for violence - they've lost any moral highground and it doesn't matter, in my opinion - how much "good" they were supposedly doing. You can't right a wrong with more wrongs - at least that is how I've come to view it.

Have you ever thought that there were Jews who actually were set upon in New York (just like they are set upon in Europe), and those Christians who joined the JDL wanted to help out. I don't think that thought would ever cross your mind.

So...you make excuses for terrorism based on religious identification? Is that what you are saying Sally?
 
My dad was born in Poland in 1949, but moved to Israel when he was barely two years old with his brother and parents
My mother was born in Morocco and moved to Israel in her twenties with her brothers, sisters and parents.
My parents met in Haifa.

Thank you ... that was civil and informative.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not

No.. it wasn't sarcasm.. I asked you a question and you answered me. Thank you.
 
There is real anti-Semitism out there. It is violent and evil. Innocent people and even children suffer because of it. It needs to be stopped!

And then there is fake anti-Semitism. This comes from lovers of Israel who refuse to accept any criticism of Israel, even from Jews. If you are a Gentile who criticizes Israel you must be an anti-Semite. If you are a Jew who criticizes Israel you must be a self-loathing Jew. That leaves no room for any criticism of Israel.

When Israel lovers accuse all their criticis of anti-Semitism even when anti-Semitism isn't being expressed, they shit on the graves of Holocaust victims and all other Jews who died from real anti-Semitism.

The boy better stop crying wolf cause when the REAL wolf comes around, no one will be there to give a shit.
 
I never heard of that Egyptian official or that statement..

Sinai an Canaan was controlled by Egypt in antiquity and Gaza was administered by Egypt for decades.

The People.. whether they are Syrian, Palestinian or Egyptian are all related thru family and share many surnames.

Was your family from Palestine or did they immigrated from Europe or Russia?

My dad was born in Poland in 1949, but moved to Israel when he was barely two years old with his brother and parents
My mother was born in Morocco and moved to Israel in her twenties with her brothers, sisters and parents.
My parents met in Haifa.

You have a fascinating ethnic/cultural mix Toastman - that must have made for an interesting childhood. Morocco is a country I would like to visit someday (this is, of course, after I've won the lottery).

Morocco is well worth visiting. You must indulge in the local cuisine, and get lost in the markets.
 
I'm shocked. Miss Know-it-all throws things out, but she can't do any research on finding who the Egyptian official was. I think the official knew what he was talking about when he made that statement even though Shaarona herself would probably call him a liar.

Sally. You brought up this Egyptian official.

Either source it or admit it was BS and you're flailing around trying to deflect.

It's not Shaarona's job to source your claims.

Who was it?

Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |


So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?
 
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Sally. You brought up this Egyptian official.

Either source it or admit it was BS and you're flailing around trying to deflect.

It's not Shaarona's job to source your claims.

Who was it?

Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |


So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.
 
Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |


So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

The source is a well known hate site, so I'm not surprised - the article full of red flag language that would normally be condemned in any responsible journalism.
 
Sally. You brought up this Egyptian official.

Either source it or admit it was BS and you're flailing around trying to deflect.

It's not Shaarona's job to source your claims.

Who was it?

Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |


So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

When you start asking your friend Shaarona to start sourcing her claims, then maybe I will take the time to find the article about what the Egyptian official said. Isn't Coyote a riot??? With all the so-called facts her friend has thrown out, never once has she asked her to source anything. Now why can that be???>
 
Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |


So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

When you start asking your friend Shaarona to start sourcing her claims, then maybe I will take the time to find the article about what the Egyptian official said. Isn't Coyote a riot??? With all the so-called facts her friend has thrown out, never once has she asked her to source anything. Now why can that be???>

Ok...wait a moment...are you now saying that the source you claimed was the source isn't after all because...(I'm guessing) you don't remember what you said or who said what?

Sally...you're in over your head here....stop digging:eusa_hand:
 
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