"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Sally]

Ha, ha. Right on cue comes Coyote. With all the so-called facts that Shaarona throws out, does her friend Coyote ever tell her to source her claims? No way, José!!! Meanwhile, dear Shaarona's buddy, would this article do since I don't want to spend a lot of time searching for the Egyptian official. One thing I don't do is throw out facts unless I have actually read them.

Hamas Official: ?Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. Half Are From Egypt, And Half From Saudi Arabia.? |

So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two. As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

 

[Shaarona]

So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two. As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

Your husband was in the military, wasn't he?

My history is not the least bit unusual for and oil brat.

 

[Sally]

To Coyote and her fellow travelers, anything that they don't like being said is considered a hate site by them. However, when her fellow travelers actually use hate sites that have been listed in studies of hate sites, she has been very, very quiet.

 

[Shaarona]

To Coyote and her fellow travelers, anything that they don't like being said is considered a hate site by them. However, when her fellow travelers actually use hate sites that have been listed in studies of hate sites, she has been very, very quiet.

You are incapable of learning anything....

Wasn't your husband in the military?

 

[aris2chat]

So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

The source is a well known hate site, so I'm not surprised - the article full of red flag language that would normally be condemned in any responsible journalism.

Not all articles publishes make it to "favorable" sites immediately. I've tried to explain this before, especially not in english. Sometimes you have to take an article on it' own merits and who is making the statements, not by the web site that is the first found.


Perhaps this will be a better site

(Video) Hamas Official: Who are the Palestinians? The Palestinians don?t come from Palestine. | Palestine-Israel Conflict

 

[Sally]

To Coyote and her fellow travelers, anything that they don't like being said is considered a hate site by them. However, when her fellow travelers actually use hate sites that have been listed in studies of hate sites, she has been very, very quiet.

You are incapable of learning anything....

Wasn't your husband in the military?

Do you really think all the readers are accepting your so-called facts? People would be better off just going to regular encyclopedias. Yes, people in the military do go around the world. Not only that, but in the early 80's he was sent to the Middle East for various reasons, one of them to help those people who wanted to get out of Iran.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two. As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

Sally, have you been to the West Bank? I'd been in Israel for summers as a kid, but we usually stayed at my grandmother's house in Haifa, with an occasional trip to Jerusalem. The first time I really toured the entire country as a whole, was when I was a student in Bar-Ilan from 1982-1983. If Palestine can be considered the West Bank, then that's the first time I was there. That's also the first time I had a converstion with an Arab youth, who was about my age at the time, at Abraham's Tomb in Hebron. Two things that struck me in that meeting: 1) He had studied at Oxford University in England, and I had always thought of Palestinians as poor refugees until that point. Yet his family were obviously well-off enough to provide an education like that for him and his brother. 2) He was not murderous but unusually friendly.

 

[Shaarona]

To Coyote and her fellow travelers, anything that they don't like being said is considered a hate site by them. However, when her fellow travelers actually use hate sites that have been listed in studies of hate sites, she has been very, very quiet.

You are incapable of learning anything....

Wasn't your husband in the military?

Do you really think all the readers are accepting your so-called facts? People would be better off just going to regular encyclopedias. Yes, people in the military do go around the world. Not only that, but in the early 80's he was sent to the Middle East for various reasons, one of them to help those people who wanted to get out of Iran.

I think most people are better informed than you about the world of American ex-pats.

I have known many American military people in the ME over many, many years. Used to invite them for dinner on American holidays.. and they would surprise the children with hula hoops or Bazooka bubble gum. Some are interested in the locals scene and culture.. others are not.. and most are on short tours.

 

[Coyote]

So...The Muslim Issue again. Great source Sally.

But where is this "Egyptian Official" - it's an Hamas official making statements.

Let's keep things straight here Sally: You throw out a claim and then you demand others support that claim?

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two.

I believe she's traveled...
and I believe aris2chat has traveled...

though their perspectives differ - their posts are interesting and informative...

I believe your husband has traveled...however, you are making claims to knowledge by riding on his coat tails, so your knowledge is second hand.

If he can tell Shaarona a thing or two, by all means invite him to join USMB

As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

That is still true with today's immigrant groups, and even in Europe. Where there are "hold outs" as you say - there are also mitigating factors that we don't have in the US nor in the UK.

Citizenship is a big factor in integration into the larger culture - countries with a history of guestworker programs have large populations of foriegn non-citizens (usually without their families) living for years but with no possibility of citizenship. I think that discourages assimilation and it is also often reinforced by segregation based on economic levels and class.

Another factor (I don't recall where I read this) pertains to those countries, like France, who offer citizenship to anyone from it's former colonies. Unlike Britain, France's former colonies were often poor and left in bad shape when they attained independence (England tended to invest heavily in civil service and infrastructure in their colonies and attracted immigrants that were at a higher educational level). Also, many of the immigrants to France came from very poor and very uneducated regions (for example rural villages in Algiers) and when they immigrated, they tended to import their (uneducated) religious leaders. That kind of population can make integration harder especially when coupled with a larger economic and cultural segregation and lack of good paying jobs to encourage upward mobility.

That's something we, in the US, have not experienced.

 

[Coyote]

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two. As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

Sally, have you been to the West Bank? I'd been in Israel for summers as a kid, but we usually stayed at my grandmother's house in Haifa, with an occasional trip to Jerusalem. The first time I really toured the entire country as a whole, was when I was a student in Bar-Ilan from 1982-1983. If Palestine can be considered the West Bank, then that's the first time I was there. That's also the first time I had a converstion with an Arab youth, who was about my age at the time, at Abraham's Tomb in Hebron. Two things that struck me in that meeting: 1) He had studied at Oxford University in England, and I had always thought of Palestinians as poor refugees until that point. Yet his family were obviously well-off enough to provide an education like that for him and his brother. 2) He was not murderous but unusually friendly.

People have told me that when they traveled and meet foreign cultures first hand, they are often surprised - meeting people first hand is quite different than reading about them.

I have not been to any of those countries. My knowledge, like Sally's is second hand as my mother traveled extensively. She used to work for NIH, and was involved in a number of collaborative international studies dealing with heart disease. She traveled to USSR, Israel, Pakistan, China, Poland and Japan and I heard many interesting stories about the cultures - especially USSR and Israel, the two studies that went on the longest and where she maintains to this day ties with some her fellow researchers. In addition, they would travel here and I have particularly fond memories of the Israeli's and the Soviet scientists. We would entertain them as they would be in the US for 2-3 weeks at a stretch. It was second hand, and it was also scientists, so that makes it an unusual group of people but to this day I have a deep love for both the Russian and the Israeli soul.

 

[Sally]

Most of the people who came from Europe years ago were poor and uneducated, but their children managed to go to the public schools with children of Americans and, therefore, assimilated into the American culture. I went to school with many kids whose parents came from Sicility, but the kids were as American as I was. There are people in Europe who were born there with parents from another culture, and they still have not assimiliated.

 

[Sally]

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two. As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

Sally, have you been to the West Bank? I'd been in Israel for summers as a kid, but we usually stayed at my grandmother's house in Haifa, with an occasional trip to Jerusalem. The first time I really toured the entire country as a whole, was when I was a student in Bar-Ilan from 1982-1983. If Palestine can be considered the West Bank, then that's the first time I was there. That's also the first time I had a converstion with an Arab youth, who was about my age at the time, at Abraham's Tomb in Hebron. Two things that struck me in that meeting: 1) He had studied at Oxford University in England, and I had always thought of Palestinians as poor refugees until that point. Yet his family were obviously well-off enough to provide an education like that for him and his brother. 2) He was not murderous but unusually friendly.

People have told me that when they traveled and meet foreign cultures first hand, they are often surprised - meeting people first hand is quite different than reading about them.

I have not been to any of those countries. My knowledge, like Sally's is second hand as my mother traveled extensively. She used to work for NIH, and was involved in a number of collaborative international studies dealing with heart disease. She traveled to USSR, Israel, Pakistan, China, Poland and Japan and I heard many interesting stories about the cultures - especially USSR and Israel, the two studies that went on the longest and where she maintains to this day ties with some her fellow researchers. In addition, they would travel here and I have particularly fond memories of the Israeli's and the Soviet scientists. We would entertain them as they would be in the US for 2-3 weeks at a stretch. It was second hand, and it was also scientists, so that makes it an unusual group of people but to this day I have a deep love for both the Russian and the Israeli soul.

Here in the Los Angeles, which is really a melting pot, one makes friends with people who come from all over. In fact, you find people from all over just in the housing tract you live in. They can tell you all about their countries if you are willing to listen. In fact, even at the Board of Realtors, each year they have what is called a Culture Night where realtors from different cultures tell you how to deal with people of that culture.

 

[Roudy]

So Jews forcibly removing other Jews from their homes that they had lived on for years wasn't "ethnic cleansing". Very interesting.

Speaking of Gazans, that Egyptian official who told the Gazans to come back to Egypt must have known something. Betcha that an awful lot of these Gazans have Egyptian surnames.

You are ignorant of surnames in the part of the world..

70% of Gazans weren't born there.. They were driven out of the West Bank as refugees.

The European Jews were also refugees... seeking sanctuary.. Give that some thought.

Ha ha ha. Gazans are Egyptians. Even the founder of the Palestinian Bowel Movement the terrorist Yasser Arafat was born and raised in Egypt.

 

[Coyote]

Most of the people who came from Europe years ago were poor and uneducated, but their children managed to go to the public schools with children of Americans and, therefore, assimilated into the American culture. I went to school with many kids whose parents came from Sicility, but the kids were as American as I was. There are people in Europe who were born there with parents from another culture, and they still have not assimiliated.

I think there is a difference though, Sally - between immigration in America and in Europe and I think that alters how well assimilation occurs.

We are rather uniquely, along with Canada and Australia for example - nations founded on immigration. That is who we are, and each immigrant wave has added to our culture while it's also assimilated.

We also never had a guest worker program nor any government programs that imported workers specifically for low-wage work which create a self-segregating environment.

I think those two things - a culture that is not based on immigration, and types of programs that don't encourage assimilation - could have some effects on assimilation.

Another factor - and this is what went along with what I was saying about France - is that France offers complete social benefits to any citizen, and they have one of the most well padded "welfare states" for it's citizens. This attracts heavy immigration from very poor, rural areas without the associated desire to work for upward mobility and the assimilation that occurs in the process.

 

[Shaarona]

Speaking of Gazans, that Egyptian official who told the Gazans to come back to Egypt must have known something. Betcha that an awful lot of these Gazans have Egyptian surnames.

You are ignorant of surnames in the part of the world..

70% of Gazans weren't born there.. They were driven out of the West Bank as refugees.

The European Jews were also refugees... seeking sanctuary.. Give that some thought.

Ha ha ha. Gazans are Egyptians. Even the founder of the Palestinian Bowel Movement the terrorist Yasser Arafat was born and raised in Egypt.

Arafat's mother died young and he went to live in Jerusalem with family..

You really should work on an education.

 

[Sally]

Most of the people who came from Europe years ago were poor and uneducated, but their children managed to go to the public schools with children of Americans and, therefore, assimilated into the American culture. I went to school with many kids whose parents came from Sicility, but the kids were as American as I was. There are people in Europe who were born there with parents from another culture, and they still have not assimiliated.

I think there is a difference though, Sally - between immigration in America and in Europe and I think that alters how well assimilation occurs.

We are rather uniquely, along with Canada and Australia for example - nations founded on immigration. That is who we are, and each immigrant wave has added to our culture while it's also assimilated.

We also never had a guest worker program nor any government programs that imported workers specifically for low-wage work which create a self-segregating environment.

I think those two things - a culture that is not based on immigration, and types of programs that don't encourage assimilation - could have some effects on assimilation.

Another factor - and this is what went along with what I was saying about France - is that France offers complete social benefits to any citizen, and they have one of the most well padded "welfare states" for it's citizens. This attracts heavy immigration from very poor, rural areas without the associated desire to work for upward mobility and the assimilation that occurs in the process.

Now isn't that strange that a Pakistani Brit who was actually born in Britain said that White women are just pieces of meat when a discussion was held how young White girls were being trained by other Pakistani Brits to become prostitutes. One would think that this man who had a job in Britain and also had a factory in Pakistan churning out clothes would have thought a little better of White women. I don't think I know of anyone who would say that those women living here who come from Pakistan are just pieces of meat. As for Europe, maybe it would be better for them to stop the immigration of these people who just come for the benefits. Eventually the other Europeans are going to get awfully tired of having to pay high taxes to support these people.

 

[Shaarona]

Most of the people who came from Europe years ago were poor and uneducated, but their children managed to go to the public schools with children of Americans and, therefore, assimilated into the American culture. I went to school with many kids whose parents came from Sicility, but the kids were as American as I was. There are people in Europe who were born there with parents from another culture, and they still have not assimiliated.

I think there is a difference though, Sally - between immigration in America and in Europe and I think that alters how well assimilation occurs.

We are rather uniquely, along with Canada and Australia for example - nations founded on immigration. That is who we are, and each immigrant wave has added to our culture while it's also assimilated.

We also never had a guest worker program nor any government programs that imported workers specifically for low-wage work which create a self-segregating environment.

I think those two things - a culture that is not based on immigration, and types of programs that don't encourage assimilation - could have some effects on assimilation.

Another factor - and this is what went along with what I was saying about France - is that France offers complete social benefits to any citizen, and they have one of the most well padded "welfare states" for it's citizens. This attracts heavy immigration from very poor, rural areas without the associated desire to work for upward mobility and the assimilation that occurs in the process.

Now isn't that strange that a Pakistani Brit who was actually born in Britain said that White women are just pieces of meat when a discussion was held how young White girls were being trained by other Pakistani Brits to become prostitutes. One would think that this man who had a job in Britain and also had a factory in Pakistan churning out clothes would have thought a little better of White women. I don't think I know of anyone who would say that those women living here who come from Pakistan are just pieces of meat.

As for Europe, maybe it would be better for them to stop the immigration of these people who just come for the benefits. Eventually the other Europeans are going to get awfully tired of having to pay high taxes to support these people.

One idiot Pakistani calls the shots for you?? No wonder you have such a hate problem.

 

[Sally]

I think there is a difference though, Sally - between immigration in America and in Europe and I think that alters how well assimilation occurs.

We are rather uniquely, along with Canada and Australia for example - nations founded on immigration. That is who we are, and each immigrant wave has added to our culture while it's also assimilated.

We also never had a guest worker program nor any government programs that imported workers specifically for low-wage work which create a self-segregating environment.

I think those two things - a culture that is not based on immigration, and types of programs that don't encourage assimilation - could have some effects on assimilation.

Another factor - and this is what went along with what I was saying about France - is that France offers complete social benefits to any citizen, and they have one of the most well padded "welfare states" for it's citizens. This attracts heavy immigration from very poor, rural areas without the associated desire to work for upward mobility and the assimilation that occurs in the process.

Now isn't that strange that a Pakistani Brit who was actually born in Britain said that White women are just pieces of meat when a discussion was held how young White girls were being trained by other Pakistani Brits to become prostitutes. One would think that this man who had a job in Britain and also had a factory in Pakistan churning out clothes would have thought a little better of White women. I don't think I know of anyone who would say that those women living here who come from Pakistan are just pieces of meat.

As for Europe, maybe it would be better for them to stop the immigration of these people who just come for the benefits. Eventually the other Europeans are going to get awfully tired of having to pay high taxes to support these people.

One idiot Pakistani calls the shots for you?? No wonder you have such a hate problem.

I imagine Ms. Know-it-all doesn't keep up with the British papers so that she knows what is going on. Meanwhile, Ms. Know-it-all doesn't seem to have a problem with those who actually hate people because of their religious beliefs. Shh, mum's the word about how many dead people are lying dead in the streets because of their religious beliefs in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa.

 

[Shaarona]

Now isn't that strange that a Pakistani Brit who was actually born in Britain said that White women are just pieces of meat when a discussion was held how young White girls were being trained by other Pakistani Brits to become prostitutes. One would think that this man who had a job in Britain and also had a factory in Pakistan churning out clothes would have thought a little better of White women. I don't think I know of anyone who would say that those women living here who come from Pakistan are just pieces of meat.

As for Europe, maybe it would be better for them to stop the immigration of these people who just come for the benefits. Eventually the other Europeans are going to get awfully tired of having to pay high taxes to support these people.

One idiot Pakistani calls the shots for you?? No wonder you have such a hate problem.

I imagine Ms. Know-it-all doesn't keep up with the British papers so that she knows what is going on. Meanwhile, Ms. Know-it-all doesn't seem to have a problem with those who actually hate people because of their religious beliefs. Shh, mum's the word about how many dead people are lying dead in the streets because of their religious beliefs in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa.

So you live in the UK?

 

[Roudy]

Isn't that what she asked you to do ?

I never heard of that Egyptian official or that statement..

Sinai an Canaan was controlled by Egypt in antiquity and Gaza was administered by Egypt for decades.

The People.. whether they are Syrian, Palestinian or Egyptian are all related thru family and share many surnames.

Was your family from Palestine or did they immigrated from Europe or Russia?

US citizens are from all over the place. We are still all US citizens.

I don't see the relevance of this discussion.

Any invading Arab that squatted on that land for two years or more, and that Arab's descendants is considered a Palestinian. And then of course we have Arabs who are notorious for being fabricators. I don't recall any visitor that came to the US "from all over" for two years becoming an immediate US citizen. Palestinians are 20th century Arab invaders to that land who started calling themselves Palestinians as of 1967. Very few Palestinians can trace their ancestry back more than two or maximum three generations.