"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Coyote]

This is an incredibly ridiculous statement. I don't even know where to start with this one.
you just said that if a Jew is killed somewhere outside Israel because of something that happened in Israel, then Israel is partially responsible for their death ..

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

What you say is nonsense.

And fuming!

Miriam Monsenego was killed in France in the name of "Palestinian resistance"

You say Bennett is to blame for it?

No, The Muslim piece of shit who shot her in the head is to blame for it!

It helps to have a cute picture of an injured or murdered child to make a point.

I don't.

None the less, I think and hope we can agree that the Jewish "piece of shit" who planned this is contemptable and it is certainly a terrorist act. Fortunately, Israeli authorities recognize these groups for what they are: terrorists, and they aren't making excuses for them or pretending they don't exist.

Bat Ayin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In an operation undertaken on the night of April 29, 2002, Yarden Morag and Shlomo Dvir-Zeliger drove a vehicle with a trailer to East Jerusalem. They were initially stopped near the Beit Orot Yeshiva by Mount Scopus, because it was irregular for Jews with skullcaps to drive in Palestinian areas of East Jerusalem, at night. They were not detained, since police accèpted their excuse that they were on their way to a yeshiva.

The same police officers, Shimon Cohen and Barak Segev, later sighted the same vehicle near a girls' school, close by the Al-Makassad hospital in the Abu Tor neighbourhood. The officers stopped the two and examined the car, finding that the trailer had two containers of gasoline rigged to two TNT bricks, and propane gas tanks. The explosive charge consisted of a "vergin" (military battery), and the device, in a baby carriage, was timed to explode at 7:35 am., when dozens of girls would have been entering the schoolgrounds.

Later investigations revealed this was not a one-off strike but rather part of a West Bank network of settlers conducting a campaign against Palestinians. Israeli intelligence soon heard of a large cache of weapons, and suspected it might imply an attack on the Temple Mount was being prepared.[13] Eventually 6 men, residents of Bat Ayin and Hebron, were convicted, while other led members were charged with minor felonies or not put on trial.

Efforts to discover the weapons catch and convict members of the wider network, who had connections to the Kach terrorist group failed, according to Daniel Byman, because they had learnt the lessons of the group's manual on how to confront a Shin Bet interrogation.[15] Shlomo Dvir-Zeliger and Ofer Gamliel received 15-year sentences, Morag twelve years and Shahar Dvir-Zeliger eight years.[16][17] Three of the men were convicted of attempted murder.[18][19]

 

[Lipush]

Fill your mouth water when speaking of Holocaust victims!

My father was raised by a man who survived 2 world wars. He told him since he was young, "don't ever let the Arab take over this country, or all that I've been through would be for nothing"

I respect my grandfather's words, is why we do what we do and act how we act.

You have politicized anti-Semitism. You have turned it into a political tool to silence criticism of Israel. You shit on true victims of anti-Semitism, like Holocaust victims.

Stop crying wolf before the wolf eats you and no one comes to your aid.

You're just uncomfortable with certain facts you know to be true.

But I get it.

 

[Coyote]

Kach was declaied illegal in Israel itself and it no longer exists, as a matter of fact. They've been out of the loop for years, now.

Kahane Chai are mostly hilltop youth, and they aren't recognized in Israel as terrorists. And they are active only in Israel.

As for the JDL, that's up for debate.

JDL is up for debate????

Seriously? If you excuse their actions as non terrorist, I am amazed.

Some of their actions are pure terrorism. Some can be viewed as heroic.

What's why I said "It's up for debate" and didn't say "They aren't terrorist".

See the dif?

So...if a group uses terrorist tactics for noble means...they aren't terrorist?

Or...if they use terrorist tactics and also do "heroic" acts...they aren't terrorist?

Do you realize what a can of worms this opens up in regards to who is or isn't terrorist?

 

[Coyote]

'Tag Mehir' is not a terrorist organization

Gosh, the stupidity that biased media feeds people with

Your own officials are calling it - not me, not the biased media.

From the link I posted:

Price tag attacks are acts of terror, declared Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon as he lashed out at hate crimes against Palestinians, hours after two cars were torched in a West Bank village, and a day after a group of Jews were trapped allegedly en route to vandalize another village.

“The unacceptable phenomenon called ‘price tag’ attack is, in my eyes, a terrorist act in every sense of the word. We are acting and will act against its perpetrators with zero tolerance, and with a stern and determined hand to eradicate it,” said Ya’alon.

 

[Lipush]

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

What you say is nonsense.

And fuming!

Miriam Monsenego was killed in France in the name of "Palestinian resistance"

You say Bennett is to blame for it?

No, The Muslim piece of shit who shot her in the head is to blame for it!

It helps to have a cute picture of an injured or murdered child to make a point.

I don't.

None the less, I think and hope we can agree that the Jewish "piece of shit" who planned this is contemptable and it is certainly a terrorist act. Fortunately, Israeli authorities recognize these groups for what they are: terrorists, and they aren't making excuses for them or pretending they don't exist.

Bat Ayin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In an operation undertaken on the night of April 29, 2002, Yarden Morag and Shlomo Dvir-Zeliger drove a vehicle with a trailer to East Jerusalem. They were initially stopped near the Beit Orot Yeshiva by Mount Scopus, because it was irregular for Jews with skullcaps to drive in Palestinian areas of East Jerusalem, at night. They were not detained, since police accèpted their excuse that they were on their way to a yeshiva.

The same police officers, Shimon Cohen and Barak Segev, later sighted the same vehicle near a girls' school, close by the Al-Makassad hospital in the Abu Tor neighbourhood. The officers stopped the two and examined the car, finding that the trailer had two containers of gasoline rigged to two TNT bricks, and propane gas tanks. The explosive charge consisted of a "vergin" (military battery), and the device, in a baby carriage, was timed to explode at 7:35 am., when dozens of girls would have been entering the schoolgrounds.

Later investigations revealed this was not a one-off strike but rather part of a West Bank network of settlers conducting a campaign against Palestinians. Israeli intelligence soon heard of a large cache of weapons, and suspected it might imply an attack on the Temple Mount was being prepared.[13] Eventually 6 men, residents of Bat Ayin and Hebron, were convicted, while other led members were charged with minor felonies or not put on trial.

Efforts to discover the weapons catch and convict members of the wider network, who had connections to the Kach terrorist group failed, according to Daniel Byman, because they had learnt the lessons of the group's manual on how to confront a Shin Bet interrogation.[15] Shlomo Dvir-Zeliger and Ofer Gamliel received 15-year sentences, Morag twelve years and Shahar Dvir-Zeliger eight years.[16][17] Three of the men were convicted of attempted murder.[18][19]

Good thing is that they failed against the crime they were trying to pull off.

Doesn't change in the least what I've been trying to say.

 

[Lipush]

'Tag Mehir' is not a terrorist organization

Gosh, the stupidity that biased media feeds people with

Your own officials are calling it - not me, not the biased media.

From the link I posted:

Price tag attacks are acts of terror, declared Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon as he lashed out at hate crimes against Palestinians, hours after two cars were torched in a West Bank village, and a day after a group of Jews were trapped allegedly en route to vandalize another village.

“The unacceptable phenomenon called ‘price tag’ attack is, in my eyes, a terrorist act in every sense of the word. We are acting and will act against its perpetrators with zero tolerance, and with a stern and determined hand to eradicate it,” said Ya’alon.

I'm simply pointing your actual factual error.

"Tag Mehir" literally means "price tag". It's a phrase, but there is no terrorist organization called "Tag Mehir".

Most of the "Price taggers" work alone or in small groups. "Price tag" doesn't have a clear policy or a leadership. They get pissed off, they do something.

But besides a few names, you don't really know who they are.

Some of what they do is horrible, we can agree on at least that (without the grafitti part, which we discussed before, and I told you what I think) but since it doesn't have clear policy, members, or leadership, the "price tag" cannot be viewed as "Terrorist Organization".

Something that Ya'alon knows.

 

[Roudy]

Israel hasn't enjoyed a single year of peace since 1947. Maybe if the whole world wasn't involved in the goings on there we could get together with our opposition and settle things without shouts from the cheap seats messing things up. All I'm saying. It's like a schoolyard fight, both sides face each other down, but are reluctant to throw the first blow not wanting tog et hit back. But the onlookers' who wont suffer from punches to the face taunt and jeer both wanting to see them fight.

It's a fight alright. The Islamic ideology of medieval mentality, hatred, violence, and intolerance verses Israel. Just like the fight against Nazism and Communism, last man standing wins.

 

[Lipush]

JDL is up for debate????

Seriously? If you excuse their actions as non terrorist, I am amazed.

Some of their actions are pure terrorism. Some can be viewed as heroic.

What's why I said "It's up for debate" and didn't say "They aren't terrorist".

See the dif?

So...if a group uses terrorist tactics for noble means...they aren't terrorist?

Or...if they use terrorist tactics and also do "heroic" acts...they aren't terrorist?

Do you realize what a can of worms this opens up in regards to who is or isn't terrorist?

Once that group beat the crap out of a bald-head who attacked a Jewish girl.

No, that's not terrorism. Not by all means. If the police couldn't handle this Nazi, then if you ask me, it's good those men were there.

If they attack innocent ones, it is of course terrorism.

 

[Roudy]

This is an incredibly ridiculous statement. I don't even know where to start with this one.
you just said that if a Jew is killed somewhere outside Israel because of something that happened in Israel, then Israel is partially responsible for their death ..

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

 

[Coyote]

Some of their actions are pure terrorism. Some can be viewed as heroic.

What's why I said "It's up for debate" and didn't say "They aren't terrorist".

See the dif?

So...if a group uses terrorist tactics for noble means...they aren't terrorist?

Or...if they use terrorist tactics and also do "heroic" acts...they aren't terrorist?

Do you realize what a can of worms this opens up in regards to who is or isn't terrorist?

Once that group beat the crap out of a bald-head who attacked a Jewish girl.

No, that's not terrorism. Not by all means. If the police couldn't handle this Nazi, then if you ask me, it's good those men were there.

If they attack innocent ones, it is of course terrorism.

Many terrorist groups also conduct "good acts" - for example Hamas has done a great deal of charitable stuff to help Palestinians in need. Does that make them any less a terrorist group? Does mean they are open for debate?

Same with Price Tag (though I know you and I will forever disagree here ) - at what point do bad actions overrule good actions and the group becomes a terrorist group?

What then defines a terrorist group?

 

[Roudy]

HumiliatingDefeat67 is playing an old moldy anti Semetic canard: "The Jews create anti semetism towards themselves".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard

An antisemitic canard (evoking a French-derived English catchword for "hoax") is a false story inciting antisemitism. Despite being false by definition, antisemitic canards often form part of broader theories of Jewish conspiracies.

Accusations of causing antisemitism
In January 2005, a group of Russian State Duma deputies demanded that Judaism and Jewish organizations be banned from Russia. "Their seven-page letter... accused Jews of carrying out ritual killings, controlling Russian and international capital, inciting ethnic strife in Russia, and staging hate crimes against themselves. "The majority of antisemitic actions in the whole world are constantly carried out by Jews themselves with a goal of provocation", the letter claimed." After sharp protests by Russian Jewish leaders, human rights activists, and the Foreign Ministry, Duma members retracted their appeal.

You guys really have nothing but the same old bullshit over and over, do you?

 

[Shaarona]

This is an incredibly ridiculous statement. I don't even know where to start with this one.
you just said that if a Jew is killed somewhere outside Israel because of something that happened in Israel, then Israel is partially responsible for their death ..

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

Israelis demolish Arab homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank every week.. and have for years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is an incredibly ridiculous statement. I don't even know where to start with this one.
you just said that if a Jew is killed somewhere outside Israel because of something that happened in Israel, then Israel is partially responsible for their death ..

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTjTj-NVECM]Ethnic Cleansing of a Bedouin Village in the Negev Desert by Israeli Forces - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Shaarona]

Of the 663 Palestinian structures torn down last year, the highest number in five years, 122 were built with international donor aid.

The International Red Cross announced this week it would stop delivering tents to Palestinians made homeless by demolitions in the Jordan border region of the occupied West Bank, citing Israeli obstruction and confiscation of aid.

“International and local aid organisations have faced increasingly severe restrictions in responding to the needs created by the unlawful demolition of civilian property, in violation of Israel’s obligation to facilitate the effective delivery of aid,” wrote the groups, which included Oxfam and Christian Aid.


Read more: Surge in Israeli demolition of Palestinian homes | The National
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[Roudy]

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

Israelis demolish Arab homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank every week.. and have for years.

"And leave five children homeless"? You realize there are 1.8 billion Arabs that live inside Israel as Israeli citizens with full rights. And Isrsel isn't going around demolishing their homes either.

 

[Roudy]

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

Israelis demolish Arab homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank every week.. and have for years.

You mean homes that are permitted on land that belongs to Israel? Why shouldn't isrsel build ore homes for its expanding populations?

 

[Shaarona]

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

Israelis demolish Arab homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank every week.. and have for years.

You mean homes that are permitted on land that belongs to Israel? Why shouldn't isrsel build ore homes for its expanding populations?

You need to do more reading and get honest.

Of the 663 Palestinian structures torn down last year, the highest number in five years, 122 were built with international donor aid.

The International Red Cross announced this week it would stop delivering tents to Palestinians made homeless by demolitions in the Jordan border region of the occupied West Bank, citing Israeli obstruction and confiscation of aid.

“International and local aid organisations have faced increasingly severe restrictions in responding to the needs created by the unlawful demolition of civilian property, in violation of Israel’s obligation to facilitate the effective delivery of aid,” wrote the groups, which included Oxfam and Christian Aid.


Read more: Surge in Israeli demolition of Palestinian homes | The National
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[Roudy]

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTjTj-NVECM]Ethnic Cleansing of a Bedouin Village in the Negev Desert by Israeli Forces - YouTube[/ame]

Was it ethnic cleansing when Israeli forces evicted all the Jews from Gaza and handed the genocidal Palestinians their Jew free homeland?

 

[Roudy]

Israelis demolish Arab homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank every week.. and have for years.

You mean homes that are permitted on land that belongs to Israel? Why shouldn't isrsel build ore homes for its expanding populations?

You need to do more reading and get honest.

Of the 663 Palestinian structures torn down last year, the highest number in five years, 122 were built with international donor aid.

The International Red Cross announced this week it would stop delivering tents to Palestinians made homeless by demolitions in the Jordan border region of the occupied West Bank, citing Israeli obstruction and confiscation of aid.

“International and local aid organisations have faced increasingly severe restrictions in responding to the needs created by the unlawful demolition of civilian property, in violation of Israel’s obligation to facilitate the effective delivery of aid,” wrote the groups, which included Oxfam and Christian Aid.


Read more: Surge in Israeli demolition of Palestinian homes | The National
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Unlawful? That's conquered land. Get over it dude. That's like saying Americans are building on Mexican land in Texas.

 

[Shaarona]

Israel doesn't demolish a house and leave five children homeless. You are mixing up Isrsel with the Arabs.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTjTj-NVECM]Ethnic Cleansing of a Bedouin Village in the Negev Desert by Israeli Forces - YouTube[/ame]

Was it ethnic cleansing when Israeli forces evicted all the Jews from Gaza and handed the genocidal Palestinians their Jew free homeland?

Israeli parents thought it was stupid to use 20,000 IDF to protect 8,000 Jewish settlers amid 1 million Gazans who are for the most part refugees from Palestine.