Israeli Apartheid

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Obviously, you did not understand my response. It had a direct bearing on your accusation. You are not using the right word to defend you accusation.





(COMMENT)
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You should have gathered by now:

Group ONE:​

• The ISRAELI SETTLERS are located in Area C.
• PALESTINIANS agreed to ISRAEL having full civil and security controls in Area C.
• SETTLERS are in Area C by the PALESTINIAN agreement.

Group TWO:​

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(Para 3, A/PV.2268. 14 October 1974), agree to ANNEX III Protocol Concerning Civil Affairs • ARTICLE IV Special Provisions concerning Area "C" • which assigned Israel full civil and security control over Area “C".​

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Article V. Declaration of Principles on Interim Self- Government Arrangements September 13, 199​

TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS​

This is not something that I made up. This is not something I interpreted. These represent an international agreement, witnessed by the Quartet and so monumental as to have been recorded in the annals of the Nobel Prize award.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. Agreements can only be signed between states.
2. Agreements have to follow international law. An agreement can't make legal something that is illegal or deny the rights of the people.

Now how about addressing my post?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

(PREFACE) I don't think you what you are talking about. And you are being very cryptic as to what was in the nature of your posting that I did not address.

1. Agreements can only be signed between states.
2. Agreements have to follow international law. An agreement can't make legal something that is illegal or deny the rights of the people.

Now how about addressing my post?

(COMMENT)
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Any entity can make an agreement with another entity.

•. The 7th Arab Summit recognized the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the sole representative of the Palestinian People. Israel has recognized sovereignty beyond the reach of the Hostile Arab Palestinians that want to obstruct agreements leading to peace.​

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•. At the time of the Oslo Accords, the international community considered (in judgment) that the agreement was lawful.​

Man makes laws and the International Community can make laws. Don't think for a moment that the international community does not recognize that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) aim is threatening regional peace.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Obviously, you did not understand my response. It had a direct bearing on your accusation. You are not using the right word to defend you accusation.





(COMMENT)
.
You should have gathered by now:

Group ONE:​

• The ISRAELI SETTLERS are located in Area C.
• PALESTINIANS agreed to ISRAEL having full civil and security controls in Area C.
• SETTLERS are in Area C by the PALESTINIAN agreement.

Group TWO:​

​

(Para 3, A/PV.2268. 14 October 1974), agree to ANNEX III Protocol Concerning Civil Affairs • ARTICLE IV Special Provisions concerning Area "C" • which assigned Israel full civil and security control over Area “C".​

​

Article V. Declaration of Principles on Interim Self- Government Arrangements September 13, 199​

TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS​

This is not something that I made up. This is not something I interpreted. These represent an international agreement, witnessed by the Quartet and so monumental as to have been recorded in the annals of the Nobel Prize award.


THIS IS NOT A FORMAT OR TEMPLATE that describes a "colonial" anything. There are over ≈ 150,000 in current use in the English language. My vocabulary is (maybe) half that. I am sure you can find the proper word or phrase that applies here. But in a colonial situation, there is a colonial power supporting it and directing it. While the Israeli Government has some influence, it did not send them to Area "C" under any stretch of the imagination. The settlers concerned charted their own destiny (ie "Self-Determination").

Most Respectfully,
R

P F Tinmore said:


Everything the Palestinians do is a response to Israel's colonial violence.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Everything the Palestinians do is a response to Israel's colonial violence.

(COMMENT)
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The event sequence that you call "response to Israel's colonial violence" is imaginary.

◈ Yes, there is violence.​

Who started the violence is a "HE said → SHE said" question. What we do know is this:

◈ Israel, by agreement with Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), has a presence in Area "C."​

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◈ The agreement includes full civil authority (as in the Civil rights) and full area security responsibilities (all common measures necessary to achieve Article 43 HR). ​

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◈ Known is that President Mahmoud Abbas signed the Oslo I Accord (1993) that included the agreement that disputes arising out of the Accords shall be resolved by negotiation. The HoAP reject this notion.​

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◈ Known is that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have adopted a policy that armed resistance to Article 43 HR Authority and generally consider armed struggle as the principle solution to any Israeli-Palestinian dispute. ​

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◈ We know the HoAP policy does not comply with the Accords and that the policy itself is not in compliance with:​

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◈ S/RES/1515 (2003) needed to achieve a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East​

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◈ Does not reflect the appropriate actions under the Declaration of Principle for International Law and Friendly Relations.​

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◈ That armed action, taken in contravention to the peaceful intent, is in contradiction to the purpose of the Conventions.​

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◈ HoAPs who commit any offense intended to harm the Israeli forces operations under Articles 42 and 43 of The Hague Regulation, including the occupying forces or administration, or inflicting damage to the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment under the Geneva Convention.​

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◈ The redeployment to specific locations will be implemented → commensurate with the need for public order and internal security.​

The status of the observable measures to peace are not in evidence when you look at the intent of that signed by Mahmoud Abbas. However you frame the issues, dispute resolution through peaceful measures is the objective. However, the HoAP:

◈ Refuse to promote the realization of the right of self-determination includes the Israelis.​

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◈ The HoAP oppose the concept that "No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offense on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed."​

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◈ Actively encourage propaganda.​

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◈ Teach and advocate national and religious hatred openly in UN funded schools. These implanted ideas are for the distinct generational transmission that incite hostility and violence.​

Everything the HoAP does, that you claim is in response to Israeli violence is actually covered in the policies, charters, covenants and principles found in HoAP fundamental guiding concepts, many of which were formulated long before the Six-Day War.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is What's Happening in Jerusalem, Gaza Israeli 'Apartheid'? | The Mehdi Hasan Show​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


(COMMENT)
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The event sequence that you call "response to Israel's colonial violence" is imaginary.

◈ Yes, there is violence.​

Who started the violence is a "HE said → SHE said" question. What we do know is this:

◈ Israel, by agreement with Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), has a presence in Area "C."​

​

◈ The agreement includes full civil authority (as in the Civil rights) and full area security responsibilities (all common measures necessary to achieve Article 43 HR). ​

​

◈ Known is that President Mahmoud Abbas signed the Oslo I Accord (1993) that included the agreement that disputes arising out of the Accords shall be resolved by negotiation. The HoAP reject this notion.​

​

◈ Known is that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have adopted a policy that armed resistance to Article 43 HR Authority and generally consider armed struggle as the principle solution to any Israeli-Palestinian dispute. ​

​

◈ We know the HoAP policy does not comply with the Accords and that the policy itself is not in compliance with:​

​

◈ S/RES/1515 (2003) needed to achieve a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East​

​

◈ Does not reflect the appropriate actions under the Declaration of Principle for International Law and Friendly Relations.​

​

◈ That armed action, taken in contravention to the peaceful intent, is in contradiction to the purpose of the Conventions.​

​

◈ HoAPs who commit any offense intended to harm the Israeli forces operations under Articles 42 and 43 of The Hague Regulation, including the occupying forces or administration, or inflicting damage to the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment under the Geneva Convention.​

​

◈ The redeployment to specific locations will be implemented → commensurate with the need for public order and internal security.​

The status of the observable measures to peace are not in evidence when you look at the intent of that signed by Mahmoud Abbas. However you frame the issues, dispute resolution through peaceful measures is the objective. However, the HoAP:

◈ Refuse to promote the realization of the right of self-determination includes the Israelis.​

​

◈ The HoAP oppose the concept that "No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offense on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed."​

​

◈ Actively encourage propaganda.​

​

◈ Teach and advocate national and religious hatred openly in UN funded schools. These implanted ideas are for the distinct generational transmission that incite hostility and violence.​

Everything the HoAP does, that you claim is in response to Israeli violence is actually covered in the policies, charters, covenants and principles found in HoAP fundamental guiding concepts, many of which were formulated long before the Six-Day War.
.

Most Respectfully,
R

Who started the violence is a "HE said → SHE said" question. What we do know is this:

The Palestinians were at home, minding their own business, when colonial settlers came from Europe with the stated goal of pigging the place for themselves.

There is no dispute.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Amnesty, Apartheid, and the Archbishop​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Facing Facts: Biden & the Growing Apartheid Consensus​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

(OPENNING) I think to try to twist personally associated statements and news articles into some type of support for the argument that the Jews were invaders. That you think they had a plan in such form even before the turn of the 19th→20th Century. This is so naive observation to take on such a politically sensitive issue.
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The Palestinians were at home, minding their own business, when colonial settlers came from Europe with the stated goal of pigging the place for themselves.

There is no dispute.

(COMMENT)
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Your campaign revolves around the idea that political statements are epoxied to the issues even as they move forward in time. That they are never altered, and that the political powers held at bay are never going to consider compromise, alter their positions, or mitigate in one form or another. in the case of all the rampant charges of criminality the Arab Palestinian are unable to open negotiations without some guarantees. And that is the very same problem they have had since the fall of Yasser Arafat.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Mehdi Hasan: Trump’s Middle East Plan Is a Policy of Apartheid & Settler Colonialism​

 

[rylah]

The Palestinians were at home, minding their own business, when colonial settlers came from Europe with the stated goal of pigging the place for themselves.

There is no dispute.

Yet for some reason, they call "Palestinian" anyone merely passing there for 2 years...

And why did the Arabs fight with the British colonials,
for land the name of which they can't pronounce,
if not to pig the entire Middle East and Africa?

 

[rylah]

P F Tinmore said:


Everything the Palestinians do is a response to Israel's colonial violence.

What boogeyman Arabs used before Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Illuminating Israel's Apartheid at the UN with Francesca Albanese (Special Rapporteur for the oPt)​

 

[P F Tinmore]

What boogeyman Arabs used before Israel?

Britain.

Who was Israel's boogeyman before Hamas?

 

[rylah]

Britain.

Who was Israel's boogeyman before Hamas?

Arabs sided with the British colonials.

 

[Mindful]

In Ireland, the parliament recently passed legislation, not yet enacted into law, to criminalize a range of business transactions with Jews in the West Bank, the Golan Heights and even the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City.

These are often said to be “illegally occupied Palestinian territories.” A less tendentious term would be disputed territories. Israel took them from Syria (the Golan) and Jordan (the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem, including the Jewish Quarter) in the defensive 1967 Six-Day War.

Israelis have given up land in the past and would undoubtedly do so again—if they were confident they would get peace in return, rather than missiles and terrorist tunnels, as has happened since they ceded Gaza in 2005. What other nation would not ask for that? What other nation would be criticized for doing so?

Jew-hatred is as old as the Judean Hills, predating even the rebellion of the Jewish nation against Roman imperialism and colonialism from 66 to 73 C.E. Among the punishments Rome inflicted: renaming the conquered Jewish territories.

Syria Palaestina, or Palestine for short, derives from Philistia, land of the Philistines, ancient enemies of the Israelites (with Goliath the best-known). The Philistines were a seafaring people from islands in the Aegean who settled on Eastern Mediterranean shores in the 12th-century BCE. And no, those we now call Palestinians are not their descendants.

A brief history of Jew-hatred

Jew-hatred is as old as the Judean Hills, predating even the rebellion of the Jewish nation against Roman imperialism and colonialism from 66 to 73 C.E. Among the punishments Rome inflicted: renaming the conquered Jewish territories.

www.jns.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

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[P F Tinmore]

Innumerable Ways Canada Supports Israeli Apartheid - And What We Can Do About it.​

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Roadmap to Apartheid" Q and A​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jerusalem Today - a Microcosm of Israeli Apartheid​