Israeli Apartheid

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[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: No Colonialism
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(OPENNING) I think to try to twist personally associated statements and news articles into some type of support for the argument that the Jews were invaders. That you think they had a plan in such form even before the turn of the 19th→20th Century. This is so naive observation to take on such a politically sensitive issue.
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Your campaign revolves around the idea that political statements are epoxied to the issues even as they move forward in time. That they are never altered, and that the political powers held at bay are never going to consider compromise, alter their positions, or mitigate in one form or another. in the case of all the rampant charges of criminality the Arab Palestinian are unable to open negotiations without some guarantees. And that is the very same problem they have had since the fall of Yasser Arafat.
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Most Respectfully,
R

HUH?

 

[P F Tinmore]

'Israeli apartheid is worse than South African apartheid'​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: Comparative Analysis
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This is just so much "bull." When you make an argument based on misleading, superficial, or implausible comparisons; you call that a fallacy.

The first thing you have to do is throw out rhetoric on the cases of thought (like Zionism). No matter your intentions, you are not prosecuted for what you think should be done, or your interpretation of thought as it relates to the law. Your interpretation must be actually based on the law:

GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW
Article 22 • Nullum crimen sine lege

1. A person shall not be criminally responsible under this Statute unless the conduct in question constitutes, at the time it takes place, a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court.
2. The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.
3. This article shall not affect the characterization of any conduct as criminal under international law independently of this Statute.

'Israeli apartheid is worse than South African apartheid'​

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If the pro-Arab Palestinian Activists and the anti-Israeli Movements

You have to look at the "Elements of the Offense."

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What was the "inhumane act" of which you accuse the Israelis (specifically)? Is it truly an "inhumane act?"

Is the act on the order of magnitude the same as:

◈ When - Shaka Zulu, killed all the pregnant women along with their husbands after his own mother died in 1827.​

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◈ When - Vlad the Impaler was the prince of Wallachia who literally impaled thousands of his enemies, including women and babies.​

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◈ When - Pol Pot was responsible for the death of at least 1.4 billion Cambodians.​

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◈ When - Francisco Franco, a network of doctors and nuns stole up to 300,000 babies from mothers who were either poor or anti-fascist and gave them to families who were in support of Franco.​

Or maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. Just what is it exactly that you claim as:

• "Inhumane West Bank or Gaza Strip which is considered a so serious as to be punishable under international law." This is something that the Israelis are doing that is so "inhumane" that it authorizes the United Nations to intervene in the matter which requires the UN to intervene and cause Israel to submit such settlement in favor of - or for the benefit of a people and government that support terrorist organizations.

I am not sure what you have pointed out rises to the level of "inhumane."

When the Israelis recognize a standing threat of "death" from the people that support several different Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) organizations that have only refused to negotiate the claims and complaints, what alternatives do the Israelis have? To withdraw gives more than a half-dozen designated terrorist organizations free reign over the entire territory and elevates the threat to the adjacent territories. Such a withdrawal would demonstrate to rouge terrorist organizations that such strategies would work against other Middle Eastern Nations and European nations.

Capitulation to these HoAPs would be of no benefit to the stability of the region.
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Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: Comparative Analysis
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is just so much "bull." When you make an argument based on misleading, superficial, or implausible comparisons; you call that a fallacy.

The first thing you have to do is throw out rhetoric on the cases of thought (like Zionism). No matter your intentions, you are not prosecuted for what you think should be done, or your interpretation of thought as it relates to the law. Your interpretation must be actually based on the law:

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If the pro-Arab Palestinian Activists and the anti-Israeli Movements​

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You have to look at the "Elements of the Offense."​

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What was the "inhumane act" of which you accuse the Israelis (specifically)? Is it truly an "inhumane act?"​

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Is the act on the order of magnitude the same as:​

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◈ When - Shaka Zulu, killed all the pregnant women along with their husbands after his own mother died in 1827.​

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◈ When - Vlad the Impaler was the prince of Wallachia who literally impaled thousands of his enemies, including women and babies.​

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◈ When - Pol Pot was responsible for the death of at least 1.4 billion Cambodians.​

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◈ When - Francisco Franco, a network of doctors and nuns stole up to 300,000 babies from mothers who were either poor or anti-fascist and gave them to families who were in support of Franco.​

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Or maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. Just what is it exactly that you claim as:​

• "Inhumane West Bank or Gaza Strip which is considered a so serious as to be punishable under international law." This is something that the Israelis are doing that is so "inhumane" that it authorizes the United Nations to intervene in the matter which requires the UN to intervene and cause Israel to submit such settlement in favor of - or for the benefit of a people and government that support terrorist organizations.

I am not sure what you have pointed out rises to the level of "inhumane."​

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When the Israelis recognize a standing threat of "death" from the people that support several different Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) organizations that have only refused to negotiate the claims and complaints, what alternatives do the Israelis have? To withdraw gives more than a half-dozen designated terrorist organizations free reign over the entire territory and elevates the threat to the adjacent territories. Such a withdrawal would demonstrate to rouge terrorist organizations that such strategies would work against other Middle Eastern Nations and European nations.​

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Capitulation to these HoAPs would be of no benefit to the stability of the region.​

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Most Respectfully,​

R​

"Inhumane West Bank or Gaza Strip which is considered a so serious as to be punishable under international law."

Wow, that is a lot. Look at all of the restrictions and obligations of an occupying power. Then look at the acts of genocide.

Israel is on the wrong side of almost everything.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: Comparative Analysis
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I think you are a bit lost. We were discussing "Apartheid." Now you have switched entity to "Genocide." Are you intentionally injecting confusion?

Wow, that is a lot. Look at all of the restrictions and obligations of an occupying power. Then look at the acts of genocide.

Israel is on the wrong side of almost everything.

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There are several crimes that can be considered "Crimes of Genocide."

• Genocide by Killing
• Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm
• Genocide by deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction
• Genocide by imposing measures intended to prevent births
• Genocide by forcibly transferring children

Genocide is an allegation under Article 6 whereas apartheid is an allegation under Article 7.

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When you change the subject (as you have) such that there is no conclusion and without identifying a flaw in my reasoning in the defense of your allegation, then you have accepted that your allegation is flawed. (You have lost the argument and have moved on to a new subject.)

Do not make this allegation of "Apartheid" again unless you can show where the Israelis are involved - as part of a widespread or systematic program or policy - in attacks directed against the Arab Palestinian civilian population.

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In this case, it is relatively easy to demonstrate where the Arab Palestinians have officially supported and sanctioned widespread or systematic programs, policies, or events
inciting violence against the Israeli People. Both the Palestinian Charter and the Covenant for the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) have rejected negotiations and have declared "Armed Struggle" as the preferred approach. The Palestinians have, for more than a quarter century, paid stipends to those convicted of murdering Israelis. The Palestinians have been involved in kidnapping and murder, as well as, rocket and mortar attacks. And was it not Palestinian incited and sanctioned for the assault by thousands and thousands of Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) on the borders of Israel.

23 JULY 2022 8:53 pm​

Hamas threatens ‘severe’ response to Jerusalem unrest​

By AARON BOXERMAN​

Hamas warns of a “severe” response should Israel continue its “assaults” in East Jerusalem, according to a spokesperson for the terror group.​

“If the occupation continues its assaults against our compatriots in Jerusalem, the resistance’s response will be severe,” Mohammad Hamadeh tells official Hamas television.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: Comparative Analysis
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are a bit lost. We were discussing "Apartheid." Now you have switched entity to "Genocide." Are you intentionally injecting confusion?


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There are several crimes that can be considered "Crimes of Genocide."

• Genocide by Killing
• Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm
• Genocide by deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction
• Genocide by imposing measures intended to prevent births
• Genocide by forcibly transferring children

Genocide is an allegation under Article 6 whereas apartheid is an allegation under Article 7.

(COMMENT)

When you change the subject (as you have) such that there is no conclusion and without identifying a flaw in my reasoning in the defense of your allegation, then you have accepted that your allegation is flawed. (You have lost the argument and have moved on to a new subject.)

Do not make this allegation of "Apartheid" again unless you can show where the Israelis are involved - as part of a widespread or systematic program or policy - in attacks directed against the Arab Palestinian civilian population.

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NOTE:

In this case, it is relatively easy to demonstrate where the Arab Palestinians have officially supported and sanctioned widespread or systematic programs, policies, or events
inciting violence against the Israeli People. Both the Palestinian Charter and the Covenant for the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) have rejected negotiations and have declared "Armed Struggle" as the preferred approach. The Palestinians have, for more than a quarter century, paid stipends to those convicted of murdering Israelis. The Palestinians have been involved in kidnapping and murder, as well as, rocket and mortar attacks. And was it not Palestinian incited and sanctioned for the assault by thousands and thousands of Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) on the borders of Israel.

23 JULY 2022 8:53 pm​

Hamas threatens ‘severe’ response to Jerusalem unrest​

By AARON BOXERMAN​

Hamas warns of a “severe” response should Israel continue its “assaults” in East Jerusalem, according to a spokesperson for the terror group.​

“If the occupation continues its assaults against our compatriots in Jerusalem, the resistance’s response will be severe,” Mohammad Hamadeh tells official Hamas television.​

Most Respectfully,
R

For Israel, occupation, settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocide is a package deal. They work together as a system.

• Genocide by Killing
• Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm
• Genocide by deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction

Indeed!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yep, that is Israel.

 

[USAF 2023]

Abbas put his foot in his Mouth AGAIN; which is why there will NEVER be a " Two State Solution"

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/...srael-while-standing-next-to-president-biden/

I happened to see the live News Conference Biden gave when he was over there. He stated that Jerusalem should be opened to EVERYBODY and negotiations should be along the 67 Lines with some mutual land swaps. He did NOT mention " Right of Return", Jews not being able to visit Holy Sites, etc.

His very vague limited speech sounded a lot like Olmert's plan which of course was rejected

 

[Hollie]

For Israel, occupation, settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocide is a package deal. They work together as a system.

Indeed!

Indeed, what system?

You compiled a list of slogans.

Indeed, lets start with your first slogan; ''occupation''.

What is occupied?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Biden can’t ignore the apartheid elephant in the room​

Joe Biden’s administration appears determined not to let the Palestinians and their tiresome demands for justice and liberation put a damper on his visit to Israel and the occupied West Bank.


Biden was asked during an interview with Israeli TV about progressive members of the Democratic Party who call Israel an “apartheid state” and support ending unconditional aid to Tel Aviv.

Biden can't ignore the apartheid elephant in the room

Shireen Abu Akleh cover-up and Visa Waiver Program highlight US role in Israeli repression.

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[USAF 2023]

Biden can’t ignore the apartheid elephant in the room​

Joe Biden’s administration appears determined not to let the Palestinians and their tiresome demands for justice and liberation put a damper on his visit to Israel and the occupied West Bank.


Biden was asked during an interview with Israeli TV about progressive members of the Democratic Party who call Israel an “apartheid state” and support ending unconditional aid to Tel Aviv.

Biden can't ignore the apartheid elephant in the room

Shireen Abu Akleh cover-up and Visa Waiver Program highlight US role in Israeli repression.

electronicintifada.net

Keep ignoring Biden’s press conference in which he called for a two State Solution, said it should be determined by 67 Borders with some Land Swaps and Jerusalem should be opened for EVERYONE.
Let him meet with those individuals while ignoring those here who are killed by Illegals or High Crime mainly in Blue States and Cities. Just shows where his priorities are. .

 

[P F Tinmore]

US Deal of the Century is a Bantustan plan - Cyril Ramaphosa​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arab Israeli lawmaker: ‘An apartheid regime is evolving and developing’​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Writer from East Jerusalem goes viral for speaking out about conflict between Israelis and Palest…​

 

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[USAF 2023]

Tinmore can post about this group all he wants. But what he “ conveniently forgets” is the the PLO formally announced Jews will have no access to some religious sites.
What’s to stop them from doing what Jordan did? Biden formally said that ALL of Jerusalem should be open to everyone.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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