Israel was a colonialist project from the outset, and so remains today

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli bullshit extraordinaire.

Link?

Proving something is your job.
Proving not something is not my job.
Try focusing...you as an honest broker.
Show some balls.

So why did you say it if you are going to skate on proving it?

You can't prove it because it is Israeli bullshit.

Try focusing...you as an honest broker.

So now you are just going to deflect.

Priceless.

Deflect?
I made my suggestion a good several posts ago and you deflected.
Would you be willing to give your all to be an honest broker for your fellow Arabs?

You posted Israeli bullshit now you are ducking proving it.

 

[teddyearp]

It's not the ancestral homeland of Europeans that converted to Judaism anymore than it is the ancestral homeland of Europeans who converted to Christianity.

By definition, Israel is a settler colony. The Zionists themselves said as much.

And here is a most perfect example of your sidestepping truth twisting lie that I nailed you on in another thread.

Remember? You "never claimed that European Jews didn't have Middle Eastern decent"?

Feather be long gone now, monti.

 

[teddyearp]

Palestine and Jordan are two separate issues.

Not from 1948 to 1967 and even beyond. Remember Black September? Man you guys are getting way too easy.

And there goes your feather . . . .

 

[Correll]

There is so much confusion in this specific area. Here is great read from an award winning political analyst...

...It is certainly a neo-colonialist project. Going back to the Mandate era, the League of Nations’ Palestine Mandate was literally drafted by the organized Zionists, the aim being to implement an occupation regime that would accommodate their goal of displacing and dispossessing the Arab inhabitants with mass waves of Jewish immigration. The idea was that the right to self-determination of Palestine’s inhabitants would not be respected until the Jews became a majority. This was in keeping with the British and Zionists’ concept of “the democratic ideal” (as discussed between Lord Arthur Balfour and Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann). It was a colonialist project from the outset, and so remains today....
ISRAEL’S PROJECT OF COLONIALISM

People returning to an ancestral homeland are, by definition, not colonizers. This would mean that the return of the Arabs who were displaced in the wars of 1948 and 1967 who want to return with the goal of displacing and dispossessing the Jewish inhabitants with a mass wave of immigrants in order to obtain a majority would be, in fact, a colonialist project.

It's not the ancestral homeland of Europeans that converted to Judaism anymore than it is the ancestral homeland of Europeans who converted to Christianity.

By definition, Israel is a settler colony. The Zionists themselves said as much.

And this in your mind justifies them not being allowed "universal human rights"?

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

YOu are asking for a link to support the idea that a group on humans have human rights....


Pretty much validates my point. That this in your mind, justifies denying Israelis their human rights.

That is what this whole thread is about.

 

[teddyearp]

Now to actually address the topic of this thread, it may have more credence if the OP decided to find a bit more neutral source to use as source material. It is obvious from the first sentence or two in the article linked that the author has an obvious bias. Or authors.

And to be fair, when I read an article (pro-Israel) where they start right out calling all Palestinians 'terrorists', I feel the exact same way and stop reading. I do not agree with any prejudicial biases.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now to actually address the topic of this thread, it may have more credence if the OP decided to find a bit more neutral source to use as source material. It is obvious from the first sentence or two in the article linked that the author has an obvious bias. Or authors.

And to be fair, when I read an article (pro-Israel) where they start right out calling all Palestinians 'terrorists', I feel the exact same way and stop reading. I do not agree with any prejudicial biases.

I'm with you on the name calling.

However, I don't see the bias in the OP's link. Perhaps you could point it out.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Thread has been cleaned up. Stick to the topic at hand, please.

 

[montelatici]

It's not the ancestral homeland of Europeans that converted to Judaism anymore than it is the ancestral homeland of Europeans who converted to Christianity.

By definition, Israel is a settler colony. The Zionists themselves said as much.

And here is a most perfect example of your sidestepping truth twisting lie that I nailed you on in another thread.

Remember? You "never claimed that European Jews didn't have Middle Eastern decent"?

Feather be long gone now, monti.

Do you actually understand written English? You don't make any sense.

 

[Shusha]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The British and the Zionists both called it colonialism. Straight from the horse's mouth and you still don't believe it.

That is irrelevant; you should represent the Jordanians.

What do the Jordanians have to do with the colonial project in Palestine?

Your future constituents were forced by their King back into Israel to be a pain in the ass.
But I truly believe you would be an honest broker.
Try focusing...you as an honest broker.

Palestine and Jordan are two separate issues.

There's no such thing as Palestine despite the photoshopped pictures on your wall.

Sure, and there was nothing in north america until euros "discovered" it. Genocide and cleansing are always accompanied by an orchestrated alteration in perceptual reality as a rationale.

 

[Fenton Lum]

What do the Jordanians have to do with the colonial project in Palestine?

Your future constituents were forced by their King back into Israel to be a pain in the ass.
But I truly believe you would be an honest broker.
Try focusing...you as an honest broker.

Palestine and Jordan are two separate issues.

There's no such thing as Palestine despite the photoshopped pictures on your wall.

Israeli bullshit extraordinaire.

Link?

Proving something is your job.
Proving not something is not my job.
Try focusing...you as an honest broker.
Show some balls.

Asserting there is no such thing as Palestine sans supporting the assertion is utterly ball free my friend.

 

[Shusha]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

That is not what Tinmore said, though. He asked if colonialists HAVE rights. Do they have inherent human rights?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

That is not what Tinmore said, though. He asked if colonialists HAVE rights. Do they have inherent human rights?

Do colonialists have the right to kick out the locals and set up shop?

I think not.

 

[Hollie]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

That is not what Tinmore said, though. He asked if colonialists HAVE rights. Do they have inherent human rights?

Do colonialists have the right to kick out the locals and set up shop?

I think not.

Indeed, the history of the muhammedan Middle East and Europe is one of war and colonization by Islamists.

Indeed, you have never taken the time to study Islamic history as it relates to war and conquest.

Indeed, the ideology you converted to has a history of doing what you falsely describe as Jewish colonization.

Indeed, you accept Islamist colonization and "kicking out the locals". How fortunate for you that your heroes in ISIS are doing that to Islamists across Syria and Iraq.

 

[Shusha]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

That is not what Tinmore said, though. He asked if colonialists HAVE rights. Do they have inherent human rights?

Do colonialists have the right to kick out the locals and set up shop?

I think not.

But that wasn't the question. The question was whether or not colonists have inherent human rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

That is not what Tinmore said, though. He asked if colonialists HAVE rights. Do they have inherent human rights?

Do colonialists have the right to kick out the locals and set up shop?

I think not.

Do colonialists have rights?

Link?

Wait, what?! Are you saying there are groups of peoples who do NOT have inherent human rights? Do tell? Which peoples? Which rights?

Colonial powers deny others inherent human rights, pretty straight forward stuff really.

That is not what Tinmore said, though. He asked if colonialists HAVE rights. Do they have inherent human rights?

Do colonialists have the right to kick out the locals and set up shop?

I think not.

But that wasn't the question. The question was whether or not colonists have inherent human rights.

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.

 

[Shusha]

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.

Then why did you imply, as you did with your question, that certain people have no inherent, universal human rights?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others.

Then why did you imply, as you did with your question, that certain people have no inherent, universal human rights?

Everybody has rights but they cannot infringe on others.

Your right to swing your fist stops at the end of my nose.

 

[teddyearp]

Do you actually understand written English? You don't make any sense.

I understand it very well. Too bad I understand it well enough to catch you in your own lies and half truths.