Israel versus Palestine

[sealybobo]

Oh so you fell for the made up images just like you fell for the fake genocide claim. Turns out the baby had a disease it and was used by Hamas as a prop for the consumption of fools like you. The proof? In one of the fake images the baby’s brother was standing right next to his brother and the mother, and looked completely well fed and fine! This who you people are; haters, liars and mentally ill fakers, always consuming Hamas’ bowel movements. Bon apetite!

New York Times stunningly rolls back claims about viral photo of starving Gaza boy

“This additional detail gives readers a greater understanding of his situation.”

nypost.com

One of Hamas’ affiliates in Africa just butchered over 40 Christians in a church, for the crime of practicing their faith in a church. It was completely inprovoked and an act of barbarity pure savagery, you know, similar to what Palestinian Islamists did on Oct. 7, but on a much smaller scale. Tell us, is there also a “Palestine” in Africa that is causing these subhuman Islamists to go butcher innocent non Muslims like this?

Islamist terrorists kill 49 Christians in African church massacre; eyewitness reveals horrific details​

I’m assuming you IslamoNazi worshippers won’t hitting the streets braying like wild donkeys about all these genocidal attacks by Muslims on non Muslims anytime soon.

Made up images? Like the Holacaust images? LOL Do you hear yourself? Jews in Israel are being run lead by evil Jews. Just like America is being run by conservatives here. Evil. Liars. The globalist deep state shit. You think Trump's an outsider? As soon as he got into the club the second time, he now rules the swamp and filled it full of his creatures who are even more corrupt for corporate American billionaires. You're just a sucker. Epstein out.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Question for anyone:

If Israel announces that their goal is that Israel be safe from attacks after the conclusion of the hostilities in Gaza, that this is their non-negotiable objective, but they are willing to go along with any real solution that leaves them in that position of safety, would that be reasonable?

 

[Roudy]

Made up images? Like the Holacaust images? LOL Do you hear yourself? Jews in Israel are being run lead by evil Jews. Just like America is being run by conservatives here. Evil. Liars. The globalist deep state shit. You think Trump's an outsider? As soon as he got into the club the second time, he now rules the swamp and filled it full of his creatures who are even more corrupt for corporate American billionaires. You're just a sucker. Epstein out.

Ha ha ha, you are an ignorant brainwashed hack. Hamas is completely responsible for everything that is happening to the Palestinians, you friggin moron.

There has never been a shortage of food, Hamas has been stealing most of it and intentionally causing suffering amongst its people. There is no ceasefire because Hamas refuses to release the hostages and give up its arms. Palestinians are dying because Hamas use them as shields and hide in tunnels underneath hospitals, schools and resisting areas.

Hamas also makes up fake death tolls, images and propaganda Jew hating scum bags and useful idiots like you can repeat them.

So how does it feel to be a tool of barbaric Islamic terrorist animals?

 

[Shusha]

Question for anyone:

If Israel announces that their goal is that Israel be safe from attacks after the conclusion of the hostilities in Gaza, that this is their non-negotiable objective, but they are willing to go along with any real solution that leaves them in that position of safety, would that be reasonable?

Reasonable to ask? Or reasonable to believe can be accomplished? What real solution would leave Israel in a position of safety?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Question for anyone:

If Israel announces that their goal is that Israel be safe from attacks after the conclusion of the hostilities in Gaza, that this is their non-negotiable objective, but they are willing to go along with any real solution that leaves them in that position of safety, would that be reasonable?

There are no real solutions that will leave Israel safe from attack other than destroying those who would attack them.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Reasonable to ask? Or reasonable to believe can be accomplished? What real solution would leave Israel in a position of safety?

Hamas surrender and return all hostages. Israel occupies Gaza as an administrative protectorate. Israel appoints an interem government with a task to provide basic services to the Arabs in Gaza and prepare for the election of a permanent government, that is not allowed to have a military.

Similar to the deal we gave Germany. To say that it worked out well for them is an understatement.

 

[Shusha]

Hamas surrender and return all hostages. Israel occupies Gaza as an administrative protectorate. Israel appoints an interem government with a task to provide basic services to the Arabs in Gaza and prepare for the election of a permanent government, that is not allowed to have a military.

Similar to the deal we gave Germany. To say that it worked out well for them is an understatement.

Sure. I have questions.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Sure. I have questions.

Ask away. I will give you a full and honest answer, even if the answer hurts my case. I hope you will do the same.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Hamas surrender and return all hostages. Israel occupies Gaza as an administrative protectorate. Israel appoints an interem government with a task to provide basic services to the Arabs in Gaza and prepare for the election of a permanent government, that is not allowed to have a military.

Similar to the deal we gave Germany. To say that it worked out well for them is an understatement.

It worked with Germany, but it already failed with the so called Palestinians in the 1990's.

 

[Shusha]

Ask away. I will give you a full and honest answer, even if the answer hurts my case. I hope you will do the same.

Of course. I appreciate the discussion.

Hamas surrender and return all hostages.

Without question. Hamas leaders exiled or remain? Promises of restrictions on future assassinations, yes or no?

Israel occupies Gaza as an administrative protectorate.

Define "administrative protectorate" as you see it.

Israel appoints an interem government with a task to provide basic services to the Arabs in Gaza

Appointees would be Israeli, Gazan, foreign, or some combination?

and prepare for the election of a permanent government, that is not allowed to have a military.

Timeline? Peace treaty? Mutual recognition? Eventual Statehood or Emirate? Connection to PA or separate?

Who will enforce the demilitarization? How will it be enforced? Including: Egyptian border, sea coast, training exchanges with foreign enemies?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Of course. I appreciate the discussion.

And I'm happy to answer the very good questions you posed:

Without question. Hamas leaders exiled or remain? Promises of restrictions on future assassinations, yes or no?

Exiled on pain of imprisonment if they try to return to either Gaza or Israel. Sure, restriction on future assassinations of Hamas leaders, if that's what you mean, is a reasonable peace demand.

Define "administrative protectorate" as you see it.

In other words, Gaza residents would govern in the sense of administering the areas public services, and law enforcement. But one definition of "government" is the entity with a monopoly on legitimate use of force, and that would be Israeli, or some proxy for Israel (which I hope would not be the U.S., but I don't know who else could be trusted.

Appointees would be Israeli, Gazan, foreign, or some combination?

Of the administrators of the government of Gaza? Gazan residents, with proportional representation by all religions in the area. Muslims are capable of good government and peaceful coexistance with non-Muslims, so long as the radical element is eliminated or neutered.

Timeline? Peace treaty? Mutual recognition? Eventual Statehood or Emirate? Connection to PA or separate?

I am no expert on the Palestinian Authority, but they don't seem to have been a success story with the Arabs of Palestine. But I'm open on that since I would guess you have more knowledge of them than I have.

The peace treatly leading to statehood is certainly possible, but first step if for the people of Gaza to realize that killing Jews and destroying Israel is something they should not have as a goal, and if they do, the worst place to try to do it would be Gaza. Because Gaza would be that much under control.

I do not believe that every Arag is Gaza supports Hamas' terrorism, but I sure believe that nearly all of them are afraid of Hamas. No shame on them, Hamas is well financed and ruthless. It would be suicidal to go against them, and those kind of suicidal attacks are what we need to help Palestinians to stop seeing as problem solvers.

Pacify the area - meaning bring peace to it - for a generation. Let that generation see what can be accomplished by working instead of fighting. Then today's early twenties people will be in their forties and perhaps ready to be a self-governing state.

Who will enforce the demilitarization? How will it be enforced? Including: Egyptian border, sea coast, training exchanges with foreign enemies?

It would have to be Israel, heavily backed by peace-loving allies. Europe should pitch in, and not leave the U.S. to do it all. Let's face it, historically speaking, Europe has a debt to the Jews it can never fully repay. But they should try.

As far as training exchanges with foreign enemies, I'm not sure what you mean. Foreign to whom, and which enemies? A reasonable question, I just need clarification.

The thing is, the objection to this would be that the Palestinians would not stand for it. The answer, harsh though it may seem, is that they would have to be forced to stand for it.

Japan is probably a better analogy than Germany. Germans were always going to be relatively easy to govern as an occupied nation. Japanese were as ruthless, devoted, and suicidal as any radical Muslim, but they were brought under manners once the realized we could be just as ruthless and we were more capable.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

 

[Zebra]

12 of 19 are for Israel now

 

[USAF 2023]

This is an opportunity for an honest discussion on the topic.

It's doesn't have to be spoiled again by a 'kneejerk poll.

In my opinion the Zionist regime is intent on 'genocide' against the entire world. And America is unapologetically complicit in their crimes.

I think it’s pretty amazing that a Country the size of New Jersey has a goal ; Genocide • against hthe entire world “

 

[Ringo]

You know what's interesting?
Looks like Israel it's going to kill everyone in Gaza.
That's over a million people.
In front of the entire world community.
And not one country in the world will say a word!
And Trump will say he's a peacemaker.
The U.N. is in the shit.

The crime of Holocaust in the 21st century and the jews are doing it!

 

[ShahdagMountains]

You know what's interesting?
Looks like Israel it's going to kill everyone in Gaza.
That's over a million people.
In front of the entire world community.
And not one country in the world will say a word!
And Trump will say he's a peacemaker.
The U.N. is in the shit.

The crime of Holocaust in the 21st century and the jews are doing it!

More lies.

 

[Shusha]

Looks like Israel it's going to kill everyone in Gaza.

Only to those with their eyes stitched closed with the thread of Jew-hatred.

 

[Ringo]

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Another righteous gentile. One to watch.

After firing by Sky News Australia, pro-Israel TV host says she’s ‘not done’

Erin Molan does not share reasons for her dismissal or plans for the future but says she won't stop defending Israel in its war against Hamas

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[ShahdagMountains]