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oh man, so much wrong(and off topic too)
david is a very SMALL minority, and he ISNT in Israel
and yes, Israel has never attacked unprovoked
you may not agree that the provocation warranted the level of the attack, but that is not the point
it is utter stupidity to think you will go in without a full commitment to finish the job
we did that in Vietnam
Really, you're a mind reader for everybody?
And yes, I do realize David is located in New York.
Although he is suppose to be moving to Israel to go fight for the Israeli army soon since his loyality is to Israel first. Plus, he did say he was quite willing to go sacrifice himself for the children of Israel.
You're making quite the assumption that a country has never attacked unprovoked. Even the U.S has at some point.
But to prove you wrong as I have before:
USS Liberty Memorial
On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.
And if this was a batshit insane theory, I wouldn't believe it.
'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret
Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.
In contrast to American outrage over North Korea's assault on the intelligence ship 'Pueblo,' Iraq's mistaken missile strike on the USS 'Stark,' last fall's bombing of the USS 'Cole' in Aden, and the recent US-China air incident, the savaging of 'Liberty' was quickly hushed up by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.
The White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel's explanation and let the matter drop. Israel later paid a token reparation of US $6 million. There were reports two Israeli pilots who had refused to attack 'Liberty' were jailed for 18 years.
$6 million of fucking blood money.
Oh really? The Bush Administration must be high on the idiot list then.
The U.S went into Iraq not fully committed. Many troops did not have the body armor protection that they rightly deserved and troop level numbers were highly below what U.S War Games that were conducted in the late 90's on occupation of Iraq and several generals told to Bush. Bush ignored them and steamrolled right on ahead. The U.S has never had to this day the correct troop level to do the job as best they can in Iraq.
Besides, the reason we lost in Vietnam wasn't commitment. It was due to American people finally having enough of the losses of soldiers here at home where battling seemed to change nothing. In Vietnam, we were highly superior when it came to killing the NVA and VC as the numbers of deaths show. Soldiers fought and won on a hill but fought again on the same hill three days later. People thought because of things like that no progress was made.
Also, you tend to forget another point. We had no business being in Vietnam. We were simply there because we were trying to fight Communism spreading throughout the world. The people we were fighting in Vietnam were fighting for their land, knew the land better, and were fighting for their lives. We were fighting to try and stop a idea which is simply impossible. You cannot kill a idea.
Which is why we also fought to a stalemate in North Korea. Also, the Soviets helped both armies fight us and there is evidence of such.
Which is why I would hate to see our soldiers die in vain in places we have no business being. This coming from a grandson of a man who served his country proudly in both World War II and North Korea. Also coming from the nephew of a man who served his country in Vietnam.
So do not sit there and tell me what I do and do not know.