Israel strikes Iran nuclear reactor

[Mac-7]

Just whatever it takes to ensure they do not ever have the means to restart their nuke program easily and quickly. They must start from scratch. That's what we want and need.

Indeed

Thats the minimum

But the only deal worth having with Iran is that yhe bearded mullahs and their Islamic State falls which results in a new government

 

[JohnDB]

Indeed

Thats the minimum

But the only deal worth having with Iran is that yhe bearded mullahs and their Islamic State falls which results in a new government

Even the Iranians want that....currently they are appreciating the assistance from Israel. Iranians were never that good of Muslims to begin with....they don't mind the morality but the extremism and Mohammed they could do without.
Looks like they just might get their chance.

Hey, the Middle East French Riviera might be open for tourism once again when this blows over.

 

[Mac-7]

Even the Iranians want that....currently they are appreciating the assistance from Israel. Iranians were never that good of Muslims to begin with....they don't mind the morality but the extremism and Mohammed they could do without.
Looks like they just might get their chance.

Hey, the Middle East French Riviera might be open for tourism once again when this blows over.

I think its time for trump to get off the pot

We dont need a negotiated settlement

We need total surrender of the fanatics in Iran

 

[Lisa558]

I think its time for trump to get off the pot

We dont need a negotiated settlement

We need total surrender of the fanatics in Iran

I think he’s delaying so he can show that he gave the Islamic terrorists yet ANOTHER chance, and they still refused to budge.

My concern is that they will lie at the last minute, just to delay the destruction of their nuclear facilities. I assume that any deal Trump makes will include an “any time” inspection with no advance notice - which Obama conveniently didn’t require.

 

[JohnDB]

I think its time for trump to get off the pot

We dont need a negotiated settlement

We need total surrender of the fanatics in Iran

The Muslim extremist Mullahs can't do that.
If Israel, as a nation, exists....then Mohammed was a false prophet and their entire religion is gone.

They would rather die than admit Mohammed was a false prophet. Because they are dead if they surrender (other Muslims will kill them) dead if they dont....they got a chance of survival, however slim that is, by not surrendering. They might not get blown up....it's a possibility.

The people? They have NEVER demonstrated any sort of concern over the population before....I don't see that changing just because Israel is destroying their regime command and control.

That's their No-Win situation they face.

 

[Mac-7]

I think he’s delaying so he can show that he gave the Islamic terrorists yet ANOTHER chance, and they still refused to budge.

My concern is that they will lie at the last minute, just to delay the destruction of their nuclear facilities. I assume that any deal Trump makes will include an “any time” inspection with no advance notice - which Obama conveniently didn’t require.

It will be a mistake to allow the mullahs to remain in power

Iran needs regime change

Death to the Islamic Republic!

 

[scruffy]

They can only go so deep into various soils or rocks.

And I'm thinking that the underground nuke facilities might be too deep even for a bunker buster.

However.....
If it's dropped from a high enough altitude to gain enough speed.....might go deeper. Dunno.

Do it twice. Once to create a crater and the second time to clean it out.

 

[JohnDB]

Do it twice. Once to create a crater and the second time to clean it out.

Not really the way it works.

The "crater" it creates is not that deep.
Might be a plume of smoke from the pressure vent it creates....that's it.

Those bombs go deep. How deep? Dunno. but it's not going to create a crater like a JDAM bomb which detonates on the surface. Those craters can go 20-40 feet deep. But each crater compacts the soil. So....not really what we want to do either to get at what they wish to destroy.

However.....

A boring machine? Like one of Elon's boring machines? (Way too slow for realistic warfighting)

They likely can go deep enough.

 

[Mac-7]

Do it twice. Once to create a crater and the second time to clean it out.

I agree

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes....
And the radars and transponders. (They don't go dark, they change their squak....unless actively dropping....then they go dark)

And yes....there was an even more recent bridge of tankers. Also a battleship and a carrier moved into striking distance of Iran.

The USA military is AWA to do whatever....locked and loaded.

One Aircraft carrier is enough to destroy Iran....two plus a battleship? Uhhhh....together they can destroy a continent.

Edit:
I'm wrong....it was the Stratofortresses that went over there....not the B-2.

They shipped something huge to be in theater.

We have no battleships. They were retired in the early 90s and are all museum ships. The carrier is coming from the Pacific and will not arrive for about a week.

I have no idea what AWA means. Never heard of it.

The B-52 would not be there for anything other than a show of force as it cannot carry the MOP.

 

[JohnDB]

We have no battleships. They were retired in the early 90s and are all museum ships. The carrier is coming from the Pacific and will not arrive for about a week.

I have no idea what AWA means. Never heard of it.

The B-52 would not be there for anything other than a show of force as it cannot carry the MOP.

AWA= active willing able.
I love all the acronyms the military uses....they get downright hilarious.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

AWA= active willing able.
I love all the acronyms the military uses....they get downright hilarious.

I have been associated with the military since I was in high school, and I have never heard that being used, I am 64 and retired.

 

[JohnDB]

I have been associated with the military since I was in high school, and I have never heard that being used, I am 64 and retired.

NMP.
(Not my problem)

 

[marvin martian]

It wasn't even operable.

If you support Iran, you support Russia.

 

[Foxfyre]

The bunker busters can reach the heart of the Islamic State deep underground and end it once and for all

Its what that that conventional weapon was designed for

I know. It was just an honest question as to why we had to use it instead of Israel using it. That was competently answered with the fact that only the B2 can use it. So I learned something. My follow up that we sell a B2 to Israel was just rhetorical and not all that serious.

I honestly don't want us to get into a war with Iran. But it may be inevitable. I don't know. I agree that a nuclear weapon in their hands would not be acceptable so long as their mantra is death to Israel, death to the USA and they are probably the world's greatest exporter of terrorism.

 

[JohnDB]

I know that we do NOT want to hit an actively reacting nuclear reaction chamber.

That has ALL kinds of potential for disaster.
And all that radioactivity will flow East. Afghanistan And Pakistan might not really enjoy getting it....although neither might know enough to whine about it.

The enrichment reprocessing centers and centrifuges? Absolutely fair game. But....someone needs to go back in afterwards and clean up the mess. Also taking all that partially enriched uranium back out of the ground. That stuff is worth BANK.
AND. If they have any deuterium OR tritium we want that out of there too. (Spoils of war and super expensive to make)

Carbon fiber centrifuges will be toast though.

 

[Mac-7]

I know that we do NOT want to hit an actively reacting nuclear reaction chamber.

Its underground so the radiation will be contained

If a revolution overthrows the Islamic State then hopefully they would cooperate with our side to dismantle the nuclear program

But if the crazy mullahs remain in power then I’m confident that the bunker busters can fo the job

 

[JohnDB]

Its underground so the radiation will be contained

If a revolution overthrows the Islamic State then hopefully they would cooperate with our side to dismantle the nuclear program

But if the crazy mullahs remain in power then I’m confident that the bunker busters can fo the job

There are problems with underground....
Groundwater contamination. Also possibly hitting oil reserves making the petroleum worthless....all kinds of issues.
Where it isn't airborn....nuclear radiation is stuff that doesn't go away quickly. We only got one planet to live on. That isn't changing anytime soon.

If the scene can be handled another way it would be much much better.

Plus the Saudis have NICELY said to not do it. I'm assuming they have good reasons because they too do NOT want Iran to have nuclear anything. Saudis might be difficult to work with at times but usually are very respectful people.

The Israelis can be annoying and get carried away....so a hand of caution on their shoulder is also welcomed by all parties.

The Mullahs can be removed from power without hitting the active nuclear reactors.

 

[Mac-7]

The Mullahs can be removed from power without hitting the active nuclear reactors.

In theory, yes

But thats not guaranteed

 

[JohnDB]

In theory, yes

But thats not guaranteed

Of course....nothing usually goes according to plan in wars. Just part of that game.

The breeder reactors that Iran have built are troublesome. Not like most reactors we use for power. These reactors do not get that hot intentionally....but they have enormous amounts of radiation for the slow, steady enrichment of uranium. (We use a similar configuration for nuclear subs and Aircraft carriers)

That's the reason for concern. EVERYTHING about them is contaminated with radiation. The original reactor we built at Oak Ridge still has a mountain of waste we have trouble keeping contained and out of the environment.

Russia's Chernobyl reactor has lost its protective cap during the fighting with Ukraine....currently spilling radiation everywhere.
Fukushima spill was global before we even knew what happened. (And it wasn't the only reactor that had a leak during the aftermath of the earthquake)

All of these create "brown sites" that are uninhabitable for centuries.
I'm not a fan of brown sites. We have made more than enough of these in the past 100 years...if possible we should avoid making anymore. IF POSSIBLE....