Israel strikes back at Hamas

[RetiredGySgt]

For being wiped out I am at a loss to explain how in the 2000 census the Government reported that 4,315,865 Indians lived inside the US. Perhaps Bright boy can explain it?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/race/censr-28.pdf

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That tidbit of revisionist history was debunked long ago. They hadn't a clue to diseases and the way spread. Robert, calm down, you're not being your usual logical self.

It was not debunked, it is a historical fact that some groups sent blankets from diseased areas on purpose in the hopes it would spread disease.

 

[Tuatara]

God it's like talking to a brick wall.

THERE WAS NO TRUCE!

If there was no truce then how come there are thousands of headlines about ending the truce?

Hamas on alert in Gaza after truce with Israel ends

NewsDaily: Hamas on alert in Gaza after truce with Israel ends

Hamas: Israel-Gaza Truce Is Over

Hamas: Israel-Gaza Truce Is Over

Hamas, Showing Split, Hints It May Extend Truce

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/world/middleeast/15mideast.html

Hamas Ends Six-Month Truce With Israel; Egypt Urges Restraint

Hamas Ends Six-Month Truce With Israel; Egypt Urges Restraint | Online NewsHour | December 19, 2008 | PBS

 

[auditor0007]

Proposing a response so harsh that some terrorists responding (don't even have to be Government approved) will get more and more innocents killed.

War is not black and white.

You will never get the terrorists themselves to stop, so you make it in the best interests of those closest to them to put a stop to it themselves.

 

[DavidS]

Proposing a response so harsh that some terrorists responding (don't even have to be Government approved) will get more and more innocents killed.

War is not black and white.

You know, I think we should've taken that kind of thought process during World War 2. Let's go into Germany quietly and only kill a few people and see if they give up. If they don't, maybe we'll send leaflets letting them know that we're really unhappy about the situation of Germany destroying europe and maybe that'll work. If it doesn't, perhaps we should send some warning shots in, you know some duds, but make sure no one gets hurt. Because if people do get hurt, well that'll piss off Germany and Germany might respond by attacking us... and we don't want to piss off Germany, right?

McArthur would've killed you where you stand for proposing something as idiotic like that. No. When you go into war, you go into war FULLY and without hesitation. Israel STILL isn't doing that. Airstrikes don't do enough. You have to fully invade and control Gaza until it is no longer deemed a threat.

If a man is raping your wife with a gun to her head, and you've only got one bullet in the chamber are you going to shoot him in the leg or in the head? If you said in the leg, your wife is dead. If you said in the head, your wife is alive. It IS that black and white and it IS that simple.

 

[DavidS]

If there was no truce then how come there are thousands of headlines about ending the truce?

NewsDaily: Hamas on alert in Gaza after truce with Israel ends


Hamas: Israel-Gaza Truce Is Over


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/world/middleeast/15mideast.html


Hamas Ends Six-Month Truce With Israel; Egypt Urges Restraint | Online NewsHour | December 19, 2008 | PBS

Definition of truce:

[SIZE=-1]armistice: a state of peace agreed to between opponents so they can discuss peace terms

define truce - Google Search

Do you call Israeli civilians being attacked and killed by rockets a truce?
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[Modbert]

For being wiped out I am at a loss to explain how in the 2000 census the Government reported that 4,315,865 Indians lived inside the US. Perhaps Bright boy can explain it?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/race/censr-28.pdf

The number you're getting is from is alone or in combination.

I was getting my numbers from the left of that.

 

[Tuatara]

Wait, how are you seeing Hamas blaming Israel? The often broken truce was often broken by Hamas by firing rockets into Israel. There you have a report, a few days old, of Hamas, yet again, firing rockets into Israel!

And that same report says Israel broke the agreement by "staging military strikes into the densely populated coastal strip and continuing to hunt down Hamas operatives in the West Bank" and "imposing a painful economic blockade on Gaza".

Why only one side of the coin?

 

[Modbert]

You know, I think we should've taken that kind of thought process during World War 2. Let's go into Germany quietly and only kill a few people and see if they give up. If they don't, maybe we'll send leaflets letting them know that we're really unhappy about the situation of Germany destroying europe and maybe that'll work. If it doesn't, perhaps we should send some warning shots in, you know some duds, but make sure no one gets hurt. Because if people do get hurt, well that'll piss off Germany and Germany might respond by attacking us... and we don't want to piss off Germany, right?

McArthur would've killed you where you stand for proposing something as idiotic like that. No. When you go into war, you go into war FULLY and without hesitation. Israel STILL isn't doing that. Airstrikes don't do enough. You have to fully invade and control Gaza until it is no longer deemed a threat.

If a man is raping your wife with a gun to her head, and you've only got one bullet in the chamber are you going to shoot him in the leg or in the head? If you said in the leg, your wife is dead. If you said in the head, your wife is alive. It IS that black and white and it IS that simple.

WWII and the current situation today are two different things.

So is bringing up a man raping one's wife.

It's apple and oranges.

Terrorism has evolved in the last sixty years, and it's different when it's a whole country and a group of people in a country attacking you.

To use your logic elsewhere, we should go and kill all the people in Iraq.

 

[Modbert]

2.5 million one race, over 1.5 million mixed race. 2.5 + 1.5 = 4. I did graduate the first grade.

You're including mixed race, I'm not. Simply mistake.

 

[DiveCon]

And that same report says Israel broke the agreement by "staging military strikes into the densely populated coastal strip and continuing to hunt down Hamas operatives in the West Bank" and "imposing a painful economic blockade on Gaza".

Why only one side of the coin?

so, the truce was still in effect with hamas sending rockets into Israel DAILY?
and it only ended when Hamas said it did?

sorry, but if you have a truce, and one side starts firing rockets, THEY broke the truce when the first rocket was fired, not months later when they officially announce an end to a non-existant truce

 

[Annie]

It was not debunked, it is a historical fact that some groups sent blankets from diseased areas on purpose in the hopes it would spread disease.

No it's NOT a historical fact. Indeed it is part of the Indian folklore of depopulating the Western Natives. The only historical reference is from Lord Amherst during the French & Indian War, and seems he got it from the Natives.

Couple of problems with this common wisdom, 1. people at the time really didn't have a handle on innoculation. 2. by the 1700's Europeans and Natives had been interacting for more than a couple of centuries. Even Natives that hadn't developed smallpox, had some antibodies handed down from their predecessors, who'd survived the initial exposures or the previously new disease.

 

[DavidS]

And that same report says Israel broke the agreement by "staging military strikes into the densely populated coastal strip and continuing to hunt down Hamas operatives in the West Bank" and "imposing a painful economic blockade on Gaza".

Why only one side of the coin?

You're not getting this. So let me set it up for you.

There was an official truce setup between hamas and israel. Both hamas and israel agreed to this.

At this time there were no military strikes from israel and there was no blockade.

Then, Hamas fired rockets into Israel. At that time the truce is over. But, Israel did nothing and hoped Hamas would stop. Except Hamas didn't stop. They kept firing more and more rockets into Israel. So, even though Hamas is officially saying "The truce is still on!" they don't actually mean it! There has been a truce between the US and Germany since 1945. Germany actually meant it and since then has not attacked the US or US allies. The truce was BROKEN, annulled, destroyed, when Hamas fired rockets into Israel. I cannot make this more clear to you. Do you understand this, yes or no? Hamas fired first. Israel ignored it until they could no longer ignore it and finally reacted.

 

[DavidS]

WWII and the current situation today are two different things.

So is bringing up a man raping one's wife.

It's apple and oranges.

Terrorism has evolved in the last sixty years, and it's different when it's a whole country and a group of people in a country attacking you.

To use your logic elsewhere, we should go and kill all the people in Iraq.

No, it's not different. Because when you have an enemy and you only wound your enemy, you make your enemy stronger and more angry. Our enemy in WW 2 was Germany. Your enemy is this animal raping your wife. Israel's enemy is Hamas.

Israel should go in and wipe every single member of Hamas completely out until they surrender. It is the CORRECT way to wage war. No war has ever been won by doing something half hearted.

 

[Tuatara]

Definition of truce:

[SIZE=-1]armistice: a state of peace agreed to between opponents so they can discuss peace terms
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Which was happening. Egypt had both sides talking about a truce just 3 days ago.

Egypt Brokering New Truce Between Hamas and Israel
Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar said in a statement to Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram that his Palestinian resistance movement is willing to renew the truce in Gaza with Israel based on the conditions of the original truce agreement, Israel online Haaretz reported...

Egypt Brokering New Truce Between Hamas and Israel - International Middle East Media Center - IMEMC

Do you call Israeli civilians being attacked and killed by rockets a truce?

Only seeing one side of the coin. Why do you continue to ignore the bombing raids and the other violations by Israel. I have at least recognized both.

 

[auditor0007]

No, it's not different. Because when you have an enemy and you only wound your enemy, you make your enemy stronger and more angry. Our enemy in WW 2 was Germany. Your enemy is this animal raping your wife. Israel's enemy is Hamas.

Israel should go in and wipe every single member of Hamas completely out until they surrender. It is the CORRECT way to wage war. No war has ever been won by doing something half hearted.

And that is why we lost in VietNam. Instead of waging war on North VietNam, we continually tried to hold the line instead of destroying Hanoi and getting rid of the entire government. There obviously is more to it as we were worried that doing so would have brought China into the war, but the fact is we lost because we never fought it as a war.

War is ugly. If Hamas wants war, then give them the real thing. This stupid tit for tat bombing back and forth will never end anything.

 

[DiveCon]

Which was happening. Egypt had both sides talking about a truce just 3 days ago.

Egypt Brokering New Truce Between Hamas and Israel - International Middle East Media Center - IMEMC
Only seeing one side of the coin. Why do you continue to ignore the bombing raids and the other violations by Israel. I have at least recognized both.

which happened first?
the daily rockets, or the Israeli military taking them out?

 

[Tuatara]

which happened first?
the daily rockets, or the Israeli military taking them out?

I said the before. Both sides are claiming the other side broke violations first.

 

[Annie]

I said the before. Both sides are claiming the other side broke violations first.

Well Israel responded today, widely reported. OTH Hamas issued the break in the cease fire and literally this week hundreds of bombs have fallen on Israel. During the 'cease fire', up until this week, 3000 bombs from Hamas have fallen in Israel. Again, today there was a response.

 

[DiveCon]

I said the before. Both sides are claiming the other side broke violations first.

the truce was broken the FIRST time Hamas launched rockets, not when they decided to "officially" end the truce because Israel responded to the rocket attacks