Israel Seizes Solar Panels Donated to Palestinians, Smashes Electronics

[Eloy]

It is to be hoped that the Dutch government will bring this case of theft and vandalism to the European Parliament.

Nations don't have a right to build on other nation's sovereign territory. So, the Dutch could not have been stolen from or vandalized. The Dutch government was wrong to interfere on another nation's territory without the host nation's permission.

The Netherlands does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Sumeria.

There is a treaty which gives Israel control over that land.

International law does not recognize whatever treaty you have in your mind which gives Israel sovereignty of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

 

[montelatici]

It is to be hoped that the Dutch government will bring this case of theft and vandalism to the European Parliament.

Nations don't have a right to build on other nation's sovereign territory. So, the Dutch could not have been stolen from or vandalized. The Dutch government was wrong to interfere on another nation's territory without the host nation's permission.

The Netherlands does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Sumeria.

There is a treaty which gives Israel control over that land.

There is no valid treaty. "... occupation as a result of war, while representing actual possession to all appearances, cannot imply any right whatsoever to dispose of territory. As long as hostilities continue the Occupying Power cannot therefore annex the occupied territory, even if it occupies the whole of the territory concerned. A decision on that point can only be reached in the peace treaty. That is a universally recognized rule which is endorsed by jurists and confirmed by numerous rulings of international and national courts...."

 

[fanger]

It is to be hoped that the Dutch government will bring this case of theft and vandalism to the European Parliament.

Nations don't have a right to build on other nation's sovereign territory. So, the Dutch could not have been stolen from or vandalized. The Dutch government was wrong to interfere on another nation's territory without the host nation's permission.

The Netherlands does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Sumeria.

I visited Anne Frank's House in the Netherlands. It's a beautiful and breathtaking country.

I hear they give out free ball point pens too

 

[fanger]

It is to be hoped that the Dutch government will bring this case of theft and vandalism to the European Parliament.

Nations don't have a right to build on other nation's sovereign territory. So, the Dutch could not have been stolen from or vandalized. The Dutch government was wrong to interfere on another nation's territory without the host nation's permission.

The Netherlands does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Sumeria.

There is a treaty which gives Israel control over that land.

What is the treaty called?

 

[Dan Stubbs]

No foreign nation has the right to build anything on another nation's sovereign land. Period. (Though the reality in this case is that the Women's Council in this village solicited the funds.)

That said, this is one area where I think Israel is morally failing -- the treatment of the Palestinian villages in Area C.

Its a tricky situation where the people are under the sovereignty (well semi-sovereignty) of one government ("Palestine") and the land is under the (temporary) sovereignty of another (Israel).

There are 242 of these villages. They are typically quite small. This one, for example, is home to only 162 people. In some, it would be easy enough to hook them up to a nearby grid, in others not so much. It is very much an issue of urban development vs. the maintenance of agricultural sustenance farming, made much more complicated by the political and physical conflict. It is very much a cultural issue with respect to maintaining traditional means of livelihood, made much more complicated by the political and physical conflict.

However, Israel is morally wrong, in my opinion, to both withhold services and to prevent services from being built by the other government (or with the permission of the other government). Israel should, it seems to me, decide which of these villages she will assert sovereignty over and then do it by providing all of the services she would normally provide to other Israeli towns and villages. Alternatively, those villages which Israel decides should not be under her sovereignty should be effectively ignored under the category of "not my circus, not my monkeys". If the PA wants to permit Palestinians to petition for foreign funds and build, its not Israel's problem.

The problem with this whole scenario is that it forces Israel to unilaterally change the "status quo". I don't have a problem with that. But some will.

This Progressive "Help" would just increase the theft of fuel in the area, and they don't have the knowledge to maintain the system. so its just another Progressive deal to make someone feel better. I still remember the truck that Johnson sent to a Sheethead who said with a truck he could make a living for his family, but after getting the truck he never checked or changed the oil and the truck just became a piece of junk. But the Sheethead complained to Johnson that the President cause him more poverty and and it was his fault. My my my, that should have been seen before the fact.

 

[Roudy]

It is to be hoped that the Dutch government will bring this case of theft and vandalism to the European Parliament.

Nations don't have a right to build on other nation's sovereign territory. So, the Dutch could not have been stolen from or vandalized. The Dutch government was wrong to interfere on another nation's territory without the host nation's permission.

The Nation of "israel" has not only been building on others territory, but more to the point destroying

Others territory? Ya gotta love it. At what point was this territory ruled and controled by so called Palestinians. Try never.

 

[Roudy]

This thread is a big nothing burger. Palestinians decided to slap on some free solar panels without getting permits or observing proper installation specifications. But because they're Palestinians they shouldn't be held to the same standards, laws, and rules as people all over the world are.

We agree on that point.

But what do you think Israel should be doing with these 242 small villages? Do you think Israel has a moral obligation to ensure these Palestinian citizens have clean water, electricity, sewage and garbage removal?

Yes of course. But let's not forget that Israel is expected to do all of this while the Palestinians are engaging in a war for the destruction of Israel.

 

[montelatici]

This thread is a big nothing burger. Palestinians decided to slap on some free solar panels without getting permits or observing proper installation specifications. But because they're Palestinians they shouldn't be held to the same standards, laws, and rules as people all over the world are.

We agree on that point.

But what do you think Israel should be doing with these 242 small villages? Do you think Israel has a moral obligation to ensure these Palestinian citizens have clean water, electricity, sewage and garbage removal?

Yes of course. But let's not forget that Israel is expected to do all of this while the Palestinians are engaging in a war for the destruction of Israel.

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel. That reminds me of the old Polish proverb (and stereotype) about the Jews.

"The Jew Cries Out in Pain as He strikes You."

 

[Eloy]

"More than 300 structures in the occupied West Bank demolished by the Israeli authorities in 2016 were at least in part funded by the EU or international NGOs, an Israeli military official said earlier this year. "
Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government
European Union citizens need to begin writing to their politicians with the object of getting them to do something about the theft and destruction of property funded by their parliament.

 

[Shusha]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

Some of their rights. Kinda like a marriage where ppl have to compromise.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

Some of their rights. Kinda like a marriage where ppl have to compromise.

One side giving and the other side taking is not a compromise.

 

[Shusha]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

On the contrary, a two state solution honors the rights of both peoples.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This thread is a big nothing burger. Palestinians decided to slap on some free solar panels without getting permits or observing proper installation specifications. But because they're Palestinians they shouldn't be held to the same standards, laws, and rules as people all over the world are.

We agree on that point.

But what do you think Israel should be doing with these 242 small villages? Do you think Israel has a moral obligation to ensure these Palestinian citizens have clean water, electricity, sewage and garbage removal?

Yes of course. But let's not forget that Israel is expected to do all of this while the Palestinians are engaging in a war for the destruction of Israel.

It is Israel's War. Why are they always whining about it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

On the contrary, a two state solution honors the rights of both peoples.

Except for those who lost their homes, farms, factories, etc..

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

On the contrary, a two state solution honors the rights of both peoples.

Except for those who lost their homes, farms, factories, etc..

War is Hell. My own parents were refugees once upon a time too.

 

[Shusha]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

On the contrary, a two state solution honors the rights of both peoples.

Except for those who lost their homes, farms, factories, etc..

So give them homes, farms and factories. Compensation.

Both the Arabs and the Jews.

 

[Roudy]

This thread is a big nothing burger. Palestinians decided to slap on some free solar panels without getting permits or observing proper installation specifications. But because they're Palestinians they shouldn't be held to the same standards, laws, and rules as people all over the world are.

We agree on that point.

But what do you think Israel should be doing with these 242 small villages? Do you think Israel has a moral obligation to ensure these Palestinian citizens have clean water, electricity, sewage and garbage removal?

Yes of course. But let's not forget that Israel is expected to do all of this while the Palestinians are engaging in a war for the destruction of Israel.

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel. That reminds me of the old Polish proverb (and stereotype) about the Jews.

"The Jew Cries Out in Pain as He strikes You."

Haven't heard of that proverb, nor do I know any normal sane human being who has...only an antisemitic dirtbag Nazi type hanging around other Neo Nazis and IslamoNazis would know of this.

It's the Israelis that are resisting Palestinian IslamoNazi barbarism, while being compassionate at the same time.

 

[Roudy]

So, resisting occupation is a war of destruction against Israel.

It wouldn't be if the Arab Palestinians were prepared to accept another solution. They aren't. So it is.

So far the only solutions offered is for the Palestinians to give up their rights.

Some of their rights. Kinda like a marriage where ppl have to compromise.

One side giving and the other side taking is not a compromise.

What exactly are the Palestinians giving other than terrorism at this time? Even when they were given 90% of what they wanted in the late 90's, they walked away opting for terrorism as a means of achieving their goal of total destruction of Israel. They are led by delusional corrupt fools.