Israel’s right or not to exist – The facts and truth

[Hossfly]

Nothing, Palestine was there inside its international borders before Britain was assigned the Mandate. Palestine was still there inside the same international borders after the end of the mandate. Palestine's existence did not depend on the mandate.

After the mandate it was Israel. Palestine has yet to be formed.Spit balls used to be legal and they're still being thrown, but they ain't legal.

Not so. It was still Palestine.

Tinnie refuses to believe that Israel exists. It kills him (for whatever reason -- maybe an in-law from Gaza) to see the Jews have one tiny bit of real estate in the Middle East. He wants his Muslim friends to have it all. If the Turks wanted to hand over the land to the Arabs living there which were mainly the Bedouins wandering around, they would have. I would have loved for Tinnie to call those Arabs Palestinians years ago to their face. He would have insulted them because it would be like he was calling them Jews.

 

[proudveteran06]

I never said that.

So you conceed that the Arabs never accepted the right of a Jewish State to exist so that Israel's " official Borders" were never recognized or accepted which is what I have been saying all along. Sounds like rejection to me

Israel has never had any borders to accept.

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist . It does and always will. Deal with it. The UN didn't care what happened after 1917. They cared about the present ( 1947). There was a " two state solution" which was rejected. Prior to 67 the " two state solution" could have been done but wasn't. They refused to accept either border then; Israel will not accept them now.

 

[ima]

So you conceed that the Arabs never accepted the right of a Jewish State to exist so that Israel's " official Borders" were never recognized or accepted which is what I have been saying all along. Sounds like rejection to me

Israel has never had any borders to accept.

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist . It does and always will. Deal with it. The UN didn't care what happened after 1917. They cared about the present ( 1947). There was a " two state solution" which was rejected. Prior to 67 the " two state solution" could have been done but wasn't. They refused to accept either border then; Israel will not accept them now.

vet, you're translating what the tinster says into what you want to hear. He's crushing you, stop embarrassing yourself. Well, actually... KEEP IT UP!!!!

 

[Hossfly]

Israel has never had any borders to accept.

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist . It does and always will. Deal with it. The UN didn't care what happened after 1917. They cared about the present ( 1947). There was a " two state solution" which was rejected. Prior to 67 the " two state solution" could have been done but wasn't. They refused to accept either border then; Israel will not accept them now.

vet, you're translating what the tinster says into what you want to hear. He's crushing you, stop embarrassing yourself. Well, actually... KEEP IT UP!!!!

Ima sez:

A technique of propaganda called "turnspeak"

 

[Lipush]

Palestine already has international borders. Why would they want to change them?

" Palestine?" You mean what the Arabs rejected after 1948? What they rejected before 1967 ? The Arabs rejected both of them. Israel will not accept them now. Olmert offer Abbas ALMOST everything he wanted and it still wasn't good enough. Still rejecting.

Palestine's international borders were defined in 1922. They have never changed.

They never existed in the first place.

But don't let facts fool you.

 

[ima]

" Palestine?" You mean what the Arabs rejected after 1948? What they rejected before 1967 ? The Arabs rejected both of them. Israel will not accept them now. Olmert offer Abbas ALMOST everything he wanted and it still wasn't good enough. Still rejecting.

Palestine's international borders were defined in 1922. They have never changed.

They never existed in the first place.

But don't let facts fool you.

And you weren't born a Jew or an Israeli, but you try to fool the facts.

And please go ahead and embarrass yourself debating with the tinster. We're all waiting...

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel has never had any borders to accept.

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist . It does and always will. Deal with it. The UN didn't care what happened after 1917. They cared about the present ( 1947). There was a " two state solution" which was rejected. Prior to 67 the " two state solution" could have been done but wasn't. They refused to accept either border then; Israel will not accept them now.

vet, you're translating what the tinster says into what you want to hear. He's crushing you, stop embarrassing yourself. Well, actually... KEEP IT UP!!!!

He's embarrasing me? Don't think so. He keeps " referring" to 1917. Talk about living in the past lol I'm referring to 1947 AFTER the U.N. was established; NOT BEFORE. Get it? Probably not? Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948????? It makes " sense" only to ONE person on the board. Now, THAT is embarrasing

 

[P F Tinmore]

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist . It does and always will. Deal with it. The UN didn't care what happened after 1917. They cared about the present ( 1947). There was a " two state solution" which was rejected. Prior to 67 the " two state solution" could have been done but wasn't. They refused to accept either border then; Israel will not accept them now.

vet, you're translating what the tinster says into what you want to hear. He's crushing you, stop embarrassing yourself. Well, actually... KEEP IT UP!!!!

He's embarrasing me? Don't think so. He keeps " referring" to 1917. Talk about living in the past lol I'm referring to 1947 AFTER the U.N. was established; NOT BEFORE. Get it? Probably not? Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948????? It makes " sense" only to ONE person on the board. Now, THAT is embarrasing

He's embarrasing me? Don't think so.

Well actually, you are embarrassing yourself.

Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948?????

How about showing us some of those borders?

 

[proudveteran06]

vet, you're translating what the tinster says into what you want to hear. He's crushing you, stop embarrassing yourself. Well, actually... KEEP IT UP!!!!

He's embarrasing me? Don't think so. He keeps " referring" to 1917. Talk about living in the past lol I'm referring to 1947 AFTER the U.N. was established; NOT BEFORE. Get it? Probably not? Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948????? It makes " sense" only to ONE person on the board. Now, THAT is embarrasing

He's embarrasing me? Don't think so.

Well actually, you are embarrassing yourself.

Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948?????

How about showing us some of those borders?

" Borders" that existed when " Palestine" wasn't a Country? What type Gov't did they have? ? The " two State Solution" was addressed at this time and was rejected
What Gov't did they have? Who was " President?" The U.N. wasn't concerned about what " happened" in 1922. The establishment of both states started all over again and was rejected by the Arab World in 1948 and 1967. It makes sense ONLY to you that in 1948, 1967, or in 2013 the U.N. will go back to " Borders" that were established when " Palestine" didn't even exist.

Stop making a fool of yourself by insisting the U.N. go back to 1922 when the idea was initially rejected by the Arab World

 

[P F Tinmore]

He's embarrasing me? Don't think so. He keeps " referring" to 1917. Talk about living in the past lol I'm referring to 1947 AFTER the U.N. was established; NOT BEFORE. Get it? Probably not? Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948????? It makes " sense" only to ONE person on the board. Now, THAT is embarrasing

Well actually, you are embarrassing yourself.

Does it HONESTLY make sense even to YOU that Israel will go back to the " borders" BEFORE 1967 or BEFORE 1948?????

How about showing us some of those borders?

" Borders" that existed when " Palestine" wasn't a Country? What type Gov't did they have? ? The " two State Solution" was addressed at this time and was rejected
What Gov't did they have? Who was " President?" The U.N. wasn't concerned about what " happened" in 1922. The establishment of both states started all over again and was rejected by the Arab World in 1948 and 1967. It makes sense ONLY to you that in 1948, 1967, or in 2013 the U.N. will go back to " Borders" that were established when " Palestine" didn't even exist.

Stop making a fool of yourself by insisting the U.N. go back to 1922 when the idea was initially rejected by the Arab World

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

 

[Hossfly]

Well actually, you are embarrassing yourself.



How about showing us some of those borders?

" Borders" that existed when " Palestine" wasn't a Country? What type Gov't did they have? ? The " two State Solution" was addressed at this time and was rejected
What Gov't did they have? Who was " President?" The U.N. wasn't concerned about what " happened" in 1922. The establishment of both states started all over again and was rejected by the Arab World in 1948 and 1967. It makes sense ONLY to you that in 1948, 1967, or in 2013 the U.N. will go back to " Borders" that were established when " Palestine" didn't even exist.

Stop making a fool of yourself by insisting the U.N. go back to 1922 when the idea was initially rejected by the Arab World

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

Tinnie, didn't you get word that the slate was wiped clean in 1947 and new things came into being?

 

[P F Tinmore]

" Borders" that existed when " Palestine" wasn't a Country? What type Gov't did they have? ? The " two State Solution" was addressed at this time and was rejected
What Gov't did they have? Who was " President?" The U.N. wasn't concerned about what " happened" in 1922. The establishment of both states started all over again and was rejected by the Arab World in 1948 and 1967. It makes sense ONLY to you that in 1948, 1967, or in 2013 the U.N. will go back to " Borders" that were established when " Palestine" didn't even exist.

Stop making a fool of yourself by insisting the U.N. go back to 1922 when the idea was initially rejected by the Arab World

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

Tinnie, didn't you get word that the slate was wiped clean in 1947 and new things came into being?

Didn't you get the word that the plan flopped?

 

[Hossfly]

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

Tinnie, didn't you get word that the slate was wiped clean in 1947 and new things came into being?

Didn't you get the word that the plan flopped?

The only thing that flops around here is cow flop. Lose your former ideas. This is the new age.

 

[proudveteran06]

Well actually, you are embarrassing yourself.



How about showing us some of those borders?

" Borders" that existed when " Palestine" wasn't a Country? What type Gov't did they have? ? The " two State Solution" was addressed at this time and was rejected
What Gov't did they have? Who was " President?" The U.N. wasn't concerned about what " happened" in 1922. The establishment of both states started all over again and was rejected by the Arab World in 1948 and 1967. It makes sense ONLY to you that in 1948, 1967, or in 2013 the U.N. will go back to " Borders" that were established when " Palestine" didn't even exist.

Stop making a fool of yourself by insisting the U.N. go back to 1922 when the idea was initially rejected by the Arab World

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

Do you have any evidence to suggest those " borders" were considered after the U.N. was established and rejected by Israel? Those " borders" which did include a possible Jewish State were discussed by League of Nations and of Course rejected .

Only an insane old fool would actually discuss Israel giving up the 67 and 48 Borders. Not even Hamas is asking for that ( Not yet anyway) Stop embarrasing yourself

 

[Billo_Really]

Do you have any evidence to suggest those " borders" were considered after the U.N. was established and rejected by Israel? Those " borders" which did include a possible Jewish State were discussed by League of Nations and of Course rejected .

Only an insane old fool would actually discuss Israel giving up the 67 and 48 Borders. Not even Hamas is asking for that ( Not yet anyway) Stop embarrasing yourself

Hamas has said on several occasions they are willing to accept a two-state solution based on the '67 borders and on Israel ending the occupation.

Allowing Israel to keep the land they took in the war is tantamount to allowing Hitler to annex Poland and that ain't gonna happen......................EVER!

 

[P F Tinmore]

" Borders" that existed when " Palestine" wasn't a Country? What type Gov't did they have? ? The " two State Solution" was addressed at this time and was rejected
What Gov't did they have? Who was " President?" The U.N. wasn't concerned about what " happened" in 1922. The establishment of both states started all over again and was rejected by the Arab World in 1948 and 1967. It makes sense ONLY to you that in 1948, 1967, or in 2013 the U.N. will go back to " Borders" that were established when " Palestine" didn't even exist.

Stop making a fool of yourself by insisting the U.N. go back to 1922 when the idea was initially rejected by the Arab World

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

Do you have any evidence to suggest those " borders" were considered after the U.N. was established and rejected by Israel? Those " borders" which did include a possible Jewish State were discussed by League of Nations and of Course rejected .

Only an insane old fool would actually discuss Israel giving up the 67 and 48 Borders. Not even Hamas is asking for that ( Not yet anyway) Stop embarrasing yourself

Do you have any proof that Israel had any borders in 1948 or 1967?

 

[RoccoR]

“The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/DPI2499.pdf

Do you have any evidence to back up any rejection of the 1922 borders of Palestine?

Do you have any evidence to suggest those " borders" were considered after the U.N. was established and rejected by Israel? Those " borders" which did include a possible Jewish State were discussed by League of Nations and of Course rejected .

Only an insane old fool would actually discuss Israel giving up the 67 and 48 Borders. Not even Hamas is asking for that ( Not yet anyway) Stop embarrasing yourself

Do you have any proof that Israel had any borders in 1948 or 1967?

(COMMENT)

I agree. Talk of going back to pre-1967 borders (which would essential be the 1948 borders) is a bit unrealistic. But there will always be the die-hards that believe there were never any borders to consider.

So, rest assured, that for the next couple of decades, until those generations die off and more Palestinians suffer, there will be those that insanely persist in a ancient Palestinian State that never was.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

“The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/DPI2499.pdf

Do you have any evidence to suggest those " borders" were considered after the U.N. was established and rejected by Israel? Those " borders" which did include a possible Jewish State were discussed by League of Nations and of Course rejected .

Only an insane old fool would actually discuss Israel giving up the 67 and 48 Borders. Not even Hamas is asking for that ( Not yet anyway) Stop embarrasing yourself

Do you have any proof that Israel had any borders in 1948 or 1967?

(COMMENT)

I agree. Talk of going back to pre-1967 borders (which would essential be the 1948 borders) is a bit unrealistic. But there will always be the die-hards that believe there were never any borders to consider.

So, rest assured, that for the next couple of decades, until those generations die off and more Palestinians suffer, there will be those that insanely persist in a ancient Palestinian State that never was.

Most Respectfully,
R

What does that have to do with providing proof that Israel had any borders in 1948 or 1967?

 

[proudveteran06]

Do you have any evidence to suggest those " borders" were considered after the U.N. was established and rejected by Israel? Those " borders" which did include a possible Jewish State were discussed by League of Nations and of Course rejected .

Only an insane old fool would actually discuss Israel giving up the 67 and 48 Borders. Not even Hamas is asking for that ( Not yet anyway) Stop embarrasing yourself

Hamas has said on several occasions they are willing to accept a two-state solution based on the '67 borders and on Israel ending the occupation.

Allowing Israel to keep the land they took in the war is tantamount to allowing Hitler to annex Poland and that ain't gonna happen......................EVER!

Another stupid Pro Palestinian remark Hitler just went in and invaded Countries who never initiated attacks against them unlike the Arab Countries who are sworn to Israel's destruction and initiated every single war The Arabs didn't want to accept the 67 borders then? Israel will not accept them now

 

[proudveteran06]

“The Question of Palestine and the United Nations” http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/DPI2499.pdf

Do you have any proof that Israel had any borders in 1948 or 1967?

(COMMENT)

I agree. Talk of going back to pre-1967 borders (which would essential be the 1948 borders) is a bit unrealistic. But there will always be the die-hards that believe there were never any borders to consider.

So, rest assured, that for the next couple of decades, until those generations die off and more Palestinians suffer, there will be those that insanely persist in a ancient Palestinian State that never was.

Most Respectfully,
R

What does that have to do with providing proof that Israel had any borders in 1948 or 1967?

Israel didn't have borders in 1948 or 1967? That means Israel doesn't have to go back to them