Israel-Hamas war would 'probably already been over' if Trump were president, Sen. Tom Cotton says

[georgephillip]

Yeah, the whole point of the Abraham Accords was to freeze out the Pales because THEY'VE NEVER ACCEPTED A PEACE OFFER THAT INCLUDES ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST IN PEACE. MbS publically said though that the Saudis could not reach a peace agreement and full cooperation with Israel unless there was a pale state.

MBS says Palestinians ‘the central issue’ for Arabs, as US pushes Israel-Saudi peace

Saudi crown prince stresses backing for Palestinian state amid intensified US effort to secure normalization; Egypt's Sissi, who mediated Gaza ceasefire, slams Israeli 'escalation'

www.timesofisrael.com

And Hamas proceeded to kill 1200 in a terrorist attack.

And Biden's response was to give Israel enough 2000 lb bombs to level the entirety of Gaza

How do you expect Palestinians to live in peace with a country that requires genocide to survive?

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Population shift from "1947–1951 in Israel–Palestine, plotted with the % of land controlled by what Neve Gordon calls the 'Jewish establishment'
Zionism has been described as a form of settler colonialism in relation to the region of Palestine and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

"Many of the fathers of Zionism themselves described it as colonialism, such as Vladimir Jabotinsky, who said 'Zionism is a colonization adventure.'[1][2]"

Zionism as settler colonialism - Wikipedia

 

[BlindBoo]

you keep saying things, but I literally quoted Xiden saying he ignored it. He didn't care about the agreement. He was planning on surrendering to the Taliban.

You keep ignoring all that Benedict did in 2020.

He obviously cared about what was left of the Doha Accords because it was the Accords truce kept the number of US soldiers killed in Combat at zero. He is also said he was given a binary choice, go back to war, or remove the skeleton crew he was left.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Art of the Deal - Yes, Trump wrote a book. Also Trump loves to make a deal. Not to be confused with Monty Hall, Trump loves to make real deals.
Combine this with the fact that Trump would have provided Israel with the weapons they needed to finish this skirmish. Some are saying the skirmish would have been over with LESS civilian killing. That is a Win Win for both sides. I am sure the Palestinians caught in the cross-fire would agree as well. Probably no protests on summer campuses all across the USA as well. Also, no need for an impeachment (like Joe is going to receive). What do you think. Would Trump would have done a superior job at managing this skirmish.

"President Trump said just last night that he would absolutely provide Israel with the weapons they need to finish the job," Cotton said. "This would have never happened on President Trump. Trump's watch. It didn't happen on his watch. And if he were president, this war would have probably already been over with much less civilian suffering in Gaza because he would have backed Israel to the hilt from the beginning."

Israel-Hamas war would 'probably already been over' if Trump were president, Sen. Tom Cotton says

The Republican senator from Arkansas says the Israel-Hamas war "would have never happened" under President Trump during a "Face the Nation" interview Sunday.

www.yahoo.com

I'm pretty sure if Trump was President there would have been no Ukraine/Russia war and no Hamas/Israel war. But Cotton is right. Trump is of the correct opinion that war is to be avoided if there is any other way to reasonably settle conflicts which is why we had the closest thing to world peace any of us have experienced when he was in office. And he is of the correct opinion that if war must be fought, it must be fought with overwhelming force to bring the enemy to unconditional surrender as quickly and finally as possible.

 

[struth]

You keep ignoring all that Benedict did in 2020.

He obviously cared about what was left of the Doha Accords because it was the Accords truce kept the number of US soldiers killed in Combat at zero. He is also said he was given a binary choice, go back to war, or remove the skeleton crew he was left.

No I am not, I know he was working towards peace in Afghan and a withdraw. He did a lot of work, and Xiden just ignored it, and surrendered.

You keep ignoring that.

 

[struth]

You keep ignoring all that Benedict did in 2020.

He obviously cared about what was left of the Doha Accords because it was the Accords truce kept the number of US soldiers killed in Combat at zero. He is also said he was given a binary choice, go back to war, or remove the skeleton crew he was left.

Xiden lied, people died, and Dembots excuse him

Fact Check: President Biden's False Claims on Afghanistan - Committee on Foreign Affairs

Washington, D.C. – One year ago yesterday, as Americans and Afghan partners were desperately trying to get to the Kabul airport and out of the country to safety, President Biden was interviewed by ABC News. In this interview he made many claims about his decision to withdraw and the situation on...

foreignaffairs.house.gov

Claim: “I don’t think anybody anticipated that” the Afghan military would not be able to defend themselves against the Taliban.

• Fact: The Afghan military was not nearly as large as the president claimed and the U.S. government knew for years it heavily relied on U.S. contractors and air support. The U.S. military also warned a collapse was likely after the U.S. military completed its withdrawal. (Interim Report, pg. 14)

Claim: His top military advisors did not urge him to keep about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.

• Fact: Generals Milley, McKenzie, and Miller all recommended he keep 2,500 troops in the country. And General McKenzie testified to Congress, “I am confident that the President heard all the recommendations.” (Interim Report, pg. 4)

Claim: The Taliban was “cooperating, letting American citizens get out.”

• Fact: Secretary Austin told Congress the very next day they had reports of Taliban fighters beating and harassing American citizens. (Interim Report, pg. 71)

Claim: He personally met with NATO allies and that “they agreed. We should be getting out.”

• Fact: Most NATO Members did not support the unconditional withdrawal, and senior officials in the UK government explored ways to keep their troops on the ground there after the American withdrawal. NSA Sullivan has since admitted “many allies disagreed wit the result of the decision” to withdraw. (Interim Report, pg. 8)

Claim: The U.S. accomplished its reasons for being in the country, which were to kill Osama bin Laden and to “wipe out” al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

• Fact: The president’s own military officials at the Pentagon confirmed that al Qaeda was still operating in the country the day after this interview. In addition, an UN report issued the month before on July 21, 2021, stated al Qaeda had a presence in at least 15 of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces. (Interim Report, pg. 14)

In this interview, President Biden also:

Admitted he “would’ve tried to figure out how to withdraw those troops” even if President Trump had not made the Doha agreement;

• Rep. McCaul’s Interim Report has an entire chapter evaluating the Doha agreement’s impact on the president’s decision to withdraw. While the report finds the agreement “damaged the morale of Afghan forces, and emboldened the Taliban,” top Biden military officials and U.S. allies like the UK have all agreed the agreement was conditions-based, and that those conditions were not being met (Interim Report, pg. 11);

Committed to keeping troops in the country until every American was safely evacuated.

• We now know the State Department has evacuated more than 800 American citizens after the military withdrawal was complete on August 31, 2021. In addition, outside veterans groups have evacuated several hundred additional American citizens. To date, more than 200 American citizens are currently trapped in Afghanistan, according to the State Department (Interim Report, pg. 65);

Downplayed the fact that people fell to their deaths from planes in their desperate attempt to escape the country; and

Said there were no mistakes and that the exit from Afghanistan could not have been handled better.

“Contrary to what administration officials have said since the release of my interim report, President Biden himself made it crystal clear that the Doha agreement did not tie his hands – he would have unconditionally pulled out of Afghanistan no matter what,” stated McCaul. “Whether you agree with his decision to unconditionally withdraw from the country or not, it didn’t have to be like this. My interim report proves the State Department and NSC were simply not taking the necessary steps to prepare for the fallout. For God’s sake, the U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan at the time took a two-week vacation at the same time the top general on the ground was warning about the ‘rapid loss of district centers.’ The tragedy the world saw unfold on our televisions one year ago was avoidable. And this administration’s attempt to sweep this under the rug is absolutely unacceptable.”

 

[iku]

So you think the last 13 soldiers killed in Afghanistan were more important than all the others who made the ultimate sacrifice? Only a partisan turd would try to pass that shit off.

The Generals told Biden NO. Biden did not listen. Simple as that. Biden owns it, blood on Biden and his supporters.

 

[CowboyTed]

you're like a child at football game. Trump invited the fucking Taliban to Camp David. But Obama should have pulled the plug on that Bush war too.

Obama should have pull out but he was between a rock and hard place...

Bush started two quagmires with no real way to finish them.

Trump's afghan agreement was truly awful... Biden was left various options of loss... Stephen Millar should never ever be let near government again with what he did to US friendlies in the region.. If anyone hears about that, they will never trust America again, it was disgraceful. US soldiers are embarrassed and angered by the way they were treated... He got a lot of people who took risks supporting anf helping US killed... He is fucking scum...

 

[iku]

Afghanistan and Trump.
Remember it:

Trump pledged to stop 'endless wars' but his airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civilian deaths by 330% since 2016

• "Civilian deaths from airstrikes in Afghanistan rose drastically during the Trump era, according to a new study from Brown University's Costs of War project.
• "The number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased about 330 percent from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration, to 2019," the study said."

Thank goodness Trump never voted for that war, right?

 

[iku]

Trump also said that Mexico would pay for his wall.

How'd that go?

Trump can say anything, but in the end he's just blowing hot air.

why do you hate borders?

 

[struth]

Obama should have pull out but he was between a rock and hard place...

Bush started two quagmires with no real way to finish them.

Trump's afghan agreement was truly awful... Biden was left various options of loss... Stephen Millar should never ever be let near government again with what he did to US friendlies in the region.. If anyone hears about that, they will never trust America again, it was disgraceful. US soldiers are embarrassed and angered by the way they were treated... He got a lot of people who took risks supporting anf helping US killed... He is fucking scum...

Obama and Xiden literally campaigned on increasing our presents in Afghan, they called it the war of necessity. Afghan is Obama's war.

Obama calls Afghan war 'fundamental' to U.S. defense​

https://www.army.mil/article/26138/obama_calls_afghan_war_fundamental_to_u_s_defense

Obama massively surged the level of troops we had there.

Obama’s Failed Legacy in Afghanistan - The American Interest

How the President took a bad situation in Afghanistan and made it even worse.

www.the-american-interest.com

 

[CowboyTed]

Why do you lie? The military said only 2500

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491#:~:text=He%20also%20noted%20that%20in,of%204%2C500%20troops%2C%20in%20Afghanistan.

He also noted that in the fall of 2020, during the Trump administration, he advised that the U.S. maintain a force almost double the size, of 4,500 troops, in Afghanistan.


No lie... The Military wanted to keep that presence indefinitely but Trump signed that away too... Deadline to leave, signed by Trump was April 2021, Biden stayed until Sept.

 

[bendog]

How do you expect Palestinians to live in peace with a country that requires genocide to survive?

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Population shift from "1947–1951 in Israel–Palestine, plotted with the % of land controlled by what Neve Gordon calls the 'Jewish establishment'
Zionism has been described as a form of settler colonialism in relation to the region of Palestine and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

"Many of the fathers of Zionism themselves described it as colonialism, such as Vladimir Jabotinsky, who said 'Zionism is a colonization adventure.'[1][2]"

Zionism as settler colonialism - Wikipedia

Well, imo, that's the question. There's no question that the Pales have not been coerced by Hamas to call for a Jew genocide. They were doing that BEFORE Hamas existed. Now, if they are capable of reconsidering their position on that .... would Israel stop genociding them?

20 years ago, I'd have unhesitatingly said ... yes. Today .... I doubt it. But perhaps that's MbS's point. If Israel wants a peace and full econ cooperation from MbS, they'd have to accept a pale state.

And MbS may be the only adult playing, although King Abdullah is on the same page, but he doesn't have oil or an army.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Generals told Biden NO. Biden did not listen. Simple as that. Biden owns it, blood on Biden and his supporters.

They told him that 2500 troops would be an unsustainable number of troops and that when the truce expired they would need reinforcements. Why did Benedict Donald allow the Taliban to ignore the provision that said they must stop terrorist like ISIS? Benedict has US and Afghanis blood stains all over him not just his hands. His supporters? Meh, they just parrot what they hear.

 

[struth]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491#:~:text=He%20also%20noted%20that%20in,of%204%2C500%20troops%2C%20in%20Afghanistan.

He also noted that in the fall of 2020, during the Trump administration, he advised that the U.S. maintain a force almost double the size, of 4,500 troops, in Afghanistan.


No lie... The Military wanted to keep that presence indefinitely but Trump signed that away too... Deadline to leave, signed by Trump was April 2021, Biden stayed until Sept.

great, that was a year before Xiden surrendered, so not sure why that's relevent. At the time of Xiden's surrender he inherited 2500 solders, which is the number the military recommended.

Xiden ignored the Military, ignored the agreement, and surrendered.

 

[CowboyTed]

Obama and Xiden literally campaigned on increasing our presents in Afghan, they called it the war of necessity. Afghan is Obama's war.

Obama calls Afghan war 'fundamental' to U.S. defense​

https://www.army.mil/article/26138/obama_calls_afghan_war_fundamental_to_u_s_defense

Obama massively surged the level of troops we had there.

Obama’s Failed Legacy in Afghanistan - The American Interest

How the President took a bad situation in Afghanistan and made it even worse.

www.the-american-interest.com

Nope... President who invaded, owns it....

Everyone after that is just trying to finish it...

Nice try, but Afghan is a GOP war... I know it is another one of your fuck ups you try and pass on...

Obama was saying what needed to be said to try and make it better. You are trying to blame Obama for not cleaning up GOP mesh fast enough... Obama already had to clean up his financial crisis as well...

That was your mantra the whole of his term, why can't that black boy clean up our shit quick enough...

Now you are blaming Biden for cleaning up Trump's mess fast enough...

 

[struth]

They told him that 2500 troops would be an unsustainable number of troops and that when the truce expired they would need reinforcements. Why did Benedict Donald allow the Taliban to ignore the provision that said they must stop terrorist like ISIS? Benedict has US and Afghanis blood stains all over him not just his hands. His supporters? Meh, they just parrot what they hear.

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/HFAC-Republican-Interim-Report-A-22Strategic-Failure22-Assessing-the-Administrations-Afghanistan-Withdrawal.pdf?utm_source=117th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=a750503925-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-a750503925-

Claim: His top military advisors did not urge him to keep about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.

• Fact: Generals Milley, McKenzie, and Miller all recommended he keep 2,500 troops in the country. And General McKenzie testified to Congress, “I am confident that the President heard all the recommendations.” (Interim Report, pg. 4)

 

[struth]

Nope... President who invaded, owns it....

Everyone after that is just trying to finish it...

Nice try, but Afghan is a GOP war... I know it is another one of your fuck ups you try and pass on...

Obama was saying what needed to be said to try and make it better. You are trying to blame Obama for not cleaning up GOP mesh fast enough... Obama already had to clean up his financial crisis as well...

That was your mantra the whole of his term, why can't that black boy clean up our shit quick enough...

Now you are blaming Biden for cleaning up Trump's mess fast enough...

Obama's war of necessity, lead to Xiden's surrender to terrorist.

Own it

 

[BlindBoo]

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/HFAC-Republican-Interim-Report-A-22Strategic-Failure22-Assessing-the-Administrations-Afghanistan-Withdrawal.pdf?utm_source=117th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=a750503925-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-a750503925-

Claim: His top military advisors did not urge him to keep about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.

• Fact: Generals Milley, McKenzie, and Miller all recommended he keep 2,500 troops in the country. And General McKenzie testified to Congress, “I am confident that the President heard all the recommendations.” (Interim Report, pg. 4)

Gen. Milley: (29:51)
"And everyone has served in that war should be proud. Your service mattered. Beginning in 2011, we sternly drew down our troop numbers, consolidated and closed bases and retrograded equipment from Afghanistan. At the peak in 2011, we had 97,000 US troops alongside 41,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan. 10 years later when Ambassador Khalilzad signed the Doha agreement with Mullah Baradar on 29, February, 2020, United States at 12,600 US troops with 8,000 NATO and 10,500 contractors. This has been a 10 year multi administration draw down, not a 19 month or 19 day NEO. Under the Doha agreement, the US would begin to withdraw its forces contingent upon Taliban meeting certain conditions, which would lead to a political agreement between the Taliban and the government of Afghanistan. There were seven conditions applicable to the Taliban and eight conditions applicable to the United States. While the Taliban did not attack US forces, which was one of the conditions, it failed to fully honor, any, any other condition under the Doha agreement.

Gen. Milley: (31:22)
And perhaps most importantly, for US national security, that Taliban has never renounced Al-Qaeda or broke its affiliation with them. We the United States adhered to every condition. In the fall of 2020 my analysis was that an accelerated withdrawal without meeting specific and necessary conditions risks losing the substantial gains made in Afghanistan, damaging US worldwide credibility, and could precipitate a general collapse of the ANSF and the Afghan government resulting in a complete Taliban takeover or general civil war"

Military Leaders, Gen. Milley Testify on Afghanistan Exit: Full Hearing Transcript | Rev

Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a Senate hearing on September 28. Milley addressed his calls with China. Read the transcript of the hearing below.

www.rev.com

Recall it was Benedict Donald who withdrew 80% of the troops he had in 2020 when Doha was signed.

 

[iku]

They told him that 2500 troops would be an unsustainable number of troops and that when the truce expired they would need reinforcements. Why did Benedict Donald allow the Taliban to ignore the provision that said they must stop terrorist like ISIS? Benedict has US and Afghanis blood stains all over him not just his hands. His supporters? Meh, they just parrot what they hear.

enough already. own it.

 

[struth]

Gen. Milley: (29:51)
"And everyone has served in that war should be proud. Your service mattered. Beginning in 2011, we sternly drew down our troop numbers, consolidated and closed bases and retrograded equipment from Afghanistan. At the peak in 2011, we had 97,000 US troops alongside 41,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan. 10 years later when Ambassador Khalilzad signed the Doha agreement with Mullah Baradar on 29, February, 2020, United States at 12,600 US troops with 8,000 NATO and 10,500 contractors. This has been a 10 year multi administration draw down, not a 19 month or 19 day NEO. Under the Doha agreement, the US would begin to withdraw its forces contingent upon Taliban meeting certain conditions, which would lead to a political agreement between the Taliban and the government of Afghanistan. There were seven conditions applicable to the Taliban and eight conditions applicable to the United States. While the Taliban did not attack US forces, which was one of the conditions, it failed to fully honor, any, any other condition under the Doha agreement.

Gen. Milley: (31:22)
And perhaps most importantly, for US national security, that Taliban has never renounced Al-Qaeda or broke its affiliation with them. We the United States adhered to every condition. In the fall of 2020 my analysis was that an accelerated withdrawal without meeting specific and necessary conditions risks losing the substantial gains made in Afghanistan, damaging US worldwide credibility, and could precipitate a general collapse of the ANSF and the Afghan government resulting in a complete Taliban takeover or general civil war"

Military Leaders, Gen. Milley Testify on Afghanistan Exit: Full Hearing Transcript | Rev

Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a Senate hearing on September 28. Milley addressed his calls with China. Read the transcript of the hearing below.

www.rev.com

Recall it was Benedict Donald who withdrew 80% of the troops he had in 2020 when Doha was signed.

In the fall of 2020 my analysis was that an accelerated withdrawal without meeting specific and necessary conditions risks losing the substantial gains made in Afghanistan, damaging US worldwide credibility, and could precipitate a general collapse of the ANSF and the Afghan government resulting in a complete Taliban takeover or general civil war"

He was 100 percent right....but Xiden ignored the conditions, ignored the military, ignored the agreement, and surrendered.....and we lost all the gains we made, and damaged our credibility worldwide. Why you continue to defend that, is beyond me.