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All terrorists are civilians.

Means all jews are terrorist.

No, it just means that the shoe is now (finally) on the other foot, and that those pesky Dhimmi Jews are now kicking your arse on a regular basis. Enjoy.

Stop embedding your war assets amongst your civilian population so as to trigger civilian casualties... stop hiding behind your women and children like cowards
 
The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.
The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.

BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
 
...You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
True. So when are the so-called Palestinian squatter-invaders going to pack up and leave for the east bank of the Jordan, where they belong now?

The sooner they do, the sooner the casualties will stop - intentional or otherwise.

Leave.
 
...You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
True. So when are the so-called Palestinian squatter-invaders going to pack up and leave for the east bank of the Jordan, where they belong now?

The sooner they do, the sooner the casualties will stop - intentional or otherwise.

Leave.
Well soon your mind set would apply on jews in Israel, then don't change it.
 
...You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
True. So when are the so-called Palestinian squatter-invaders going to pack up and leave for the east bank of the Jordan, where they belong now?

The sooner they do, the sooner the casualties will stop - intentional or otherwise.

Leave.
Link?
 
...You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
True. So when are the so-called Palestinian squatter-invaders going to pack up and leave for the east bank of the Jordan, where they belong now?

The sooner they do, the sooner the casualties will stop - intentional or otherwise.

Leave.
Link?
Link to what?

Link to "if one side in a conflict abandons the conflict and re-locates beyond the territories claimed by their adversaries, that the shooting will stop" ?

Link to "if the shooting stops, then there are no more casualties from the conflict, intentional or otherwise" ?

No link needed.

Logic will suffice, to facilitate such speculation.

Or you(r side) can continue to die in-place.

Either choice is acceptable.

But how much better for the so-called Muslim Palestinians to choose life, in peace and safety, someplace where they can actually build a future.

Like on the east bank of the Jordan.

Leave.
 


Looks like they do


All terrorists are civilians.

Means all jews are terrorist.

No, it just means that the shoe is now (finally) on the other foot, and that those pesky Dhimmi Jews are now kicking your arse on a regular basis. Enjoy.

Stop embedding your war assets amongst your civilian population so as to trigger civilian casualties... stop hiding behind your women and children like cowards

Did Israelis terrorist left any ground, invaders occupied every inch of their home land for last 70 years.
 
...Did Israelis terrorist left any ground, invaders occupied every inch of their home land for last 70 years.
Plenty of unpopulated or sparsely populated land nearby in which to place war assets.

Besides, after 67 years of losing, time and again and again and again and again, it's time for the Pals to snap out of it, face Reality, and get the hell outta Dodge.
 
...You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
True. So when are the so-called Palestinian squatter-invaders going to pack up and leave for the east bank of the Jordan, where they belong now?

The sooner they do, the sooner the casualties will stop - intentional or otherwise.

Leave.
Link?
Link to what?

Link to "if one side in a conflict abandons the conflict and re-locates beyond the territories claimed by their adversaries, that the shooting will stop" ?

Link to "if the shooting stops, then there are no more casualties from the conflict, intentional or otherwise" ?

No link needed.

Logic will suffice, to facilitate such speculation.

Or you(r side) can continue to die in-place.

Either choice is acceptable.

But how much better for the so-called Muslim Palestinians to actually live, in peace and safety, someplace where they actually can build a future.

Like on the east bank of the Jordan.
Then why not, jews stuck around Telaviv in Israel. Why jews invade home land of Palestinian.
 
...You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
True. So when are the so-called Palestinian squatter-invaders going to pack up and leave for the east bank of the Jordan, where they belong now?

The sooner they do, the sooner the casualties will stop - intentional or otherwise.

Leave.
Well soon your mind set would apply on jews in Israel, then don't change it.
I know you don't have answer. Sound like you are not friend of either side.
 
...Did Israelis terrorist left any ground, invaders occupied every inch of their home land for last 70 years.
Plenty of unpopulated or sparsely populated land nearby in which to place war assets.

Besides, after 67 years of losing, time and again and again and again and again, it's time for the Pals to snap out of it, face Reality, and get the hell outta Dodge.
Well then why don't you advise to jews about it. And USA already accommodating jew nicely. why they come to holy land and destroy the peace, last 900 years.
 
Billo_Really, Hollie, et al,

Oh Billo_Really, --- our friend "Hollie" is on target with her two commentaries.

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.
The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.
BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.
BTW, in the relevant first worked, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
(COMMENT)

On the matter of terrorism as a means of defense, "Hollie" is correct! As UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s said: "Nothing can justify terrorismever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." When the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAPs) attempt, though deadly asymmetric means, to intimidate or coerce the Israeli civilian population as a strategy to bend Israeli National policy to the will of the Palestinian --- that is terrorism. To attack the civilian population to affect or influence the conduct of the Israeli government --- that is terrorism. Noting that terrorist attacks by means of bombs, explosives or other incendiary or lethal devices have become increasingly widespread, and stressing the need to supplement the existing legal instruments in order to address specifically the problem of terrorist attacks carried out by such means, is illegal (A/RES/51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism).

Remembering that: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/1624 (2005)

Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct;
Calls upon all States to cooperate, inter alia, to strengthen the security of their international borders, including by combating fraudulent travel documents and, to the extent attainable, by enhancing terrorist screening and passenger security procedures with a view to preventing those guilty of the conduct in paragraph 1 (a) from entering their territory;
Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters;

There is absolutely no legal basis for the use of terrorism to in the false justification you present.

On the matter of the blockade as a punishment "Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections." This is entirely false. It was a propaganda effort by the HoAP to filter the truth and redirect the dialog in a different direction. Between 2005 (the Unilateral Withdrawal from Gaza) and 2009 (establishment of the Blockade); the Islamic Resistance Movement launched some 7300 missiles and rockets into Israel. After the Blockade is instituted, in concert with strengthened border controls (per UNSC Res 1624), the number of missile and rocket attacks dramatically dropped.

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Our friend "Hollie's" observations were on track. The institution of the Blockade had nothing what-so-ever to do with political punishment. Yes, there was grave disappointment that the Palestinian People voted in a Terrorist organization into a leadership role. After January 2006, there was a sharp increase in rocket and missile attacks; doubling from the 2005 level to the 2006. The number of launches again doubled in 2007 by the 2006 levels. And as you can see from the chart, there was a significant increase in launches in the year 2008 over the year 2007. BUT, in January 2009, the Blockade is activated and the number of launches decrease by over 75%.

Of course the Blockade was not a perfect solution, but it was fairly effective as a single countermeasure to the infiltration of weapons; complementing well other security countermeasures that were instituted that year.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Rehmani, et al,

Yes, like the idea of colonization, this idea of invasion is also bent to fit the profile of a victim; as if it were true.

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.
The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.

BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.
(COMMENT)

After the Unconditional surrender of the Ottoman Empire (1916); the territory was placed under the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration; in which the Allied Powers assumed control. After that point, there was no naval operation where landing craft lined-up and brought-in a military force to conquer an opposing force. Similarly, there were no further ground invasion. It was all allied controlled.

The entire concept that anyone that entered the country was an "invader" in the eyes of the Arab, was totally erroneous. The Arabs had not been given control of any territory. You can not be invaded if you have nothing to invade. North of the Kingdom of Hejaz (Hashemite royal family rule); and North of the central plateau known as the Najd (later to be known as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia --- House of Saud is the ruling royal family), there were no Arab sovereignties.

So, anything the Allied Powers did, to include opening immigration, was well within there authority.

Freedom Fighters are separate and distinct from terrorist. If you are a heroic Freedom Fighter, there were marks of chivalry associated with the campaign. The HoAP which deliberately attempt, kidnap, murder and maim civilians as the Palestinians openly admit to, are terrorists. (Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.)

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.
It's not a conspiracy theory, it's part of the historical record. The reason Israel considers Hamas public enemy no.1, is because Hamas won't kiss their ass and can't be bought, like Fatah did.



BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
It's not a terrorist act and it's not an act of war; the act of war, has been the occupation the Israeli's have maintained since the '67 war. The Pals have every legal right in the world to resist.

BTW, they target more military assets than the Israeli's do.
 
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.
It's not a conspiracy theory, it's part of the historical record. The reason Israel considers Hamas public enemy no.1, is because Hamas won't kiss their ass and can't be bought, like Fatah did.



BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
It's not a terrorist act and it's not an act of war; the act of war, has been the occupation the Israeli's have maintained since the '67 war. The Pals have every legal right in the world to resist.

BTW, they target more military assets than the Israeli's do.
Well sorry, but you're still consumed with conspiracy theories as a way to defend Islamic terrorism.
 
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Billo_Really, Hollie, et al,

Oh Billo_Really, --- our friend "Hollie" is on target with her two commentaries.

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.
The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.
BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.
BTW, in the relevant first worked, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
(COMMENT)

On the matter of terrorism as a means of defense, "Hollie" is correct! As UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s said: "Nothing can justify terrorismever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." When the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAPs) attempt, though deadly asymmetric means, to intimidate or coerce the Israeli civilian population as a strategy to bend Israeli National policy to the will of the Palestinian --- that is terrorism. To attack the civilian population to affect or influence the conduct of the Israeli government --- that is terrorism. Noting that terrorist attacks by means of bombs, explosives or other incendiary or lethal devices have become increasingly widespread, and stressing the need to supplement the existing legal instruments in order to address specifically the problem of terrorist attacks carried out by such means, is illegal (A/RES/51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism).

Remembering that: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/1624 (2005)
Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct;
Calls upon all States to cooperate, inter alia, to strengthen the security of their international borders, including by combating fraudulent travel documents and, to the extent attainable, by enhancing terrorist screening and passenger security procedures with a view to preventing those guilty of the conduct in paragraph 1 (a) from entering their territory;
Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters;​
There is absolutely no legal basis for the use of terrorism to in the false justification you present.

On the matter of the blockade as a punishment "Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections." This is entirely false. It was a propaganda effort by the HoAP to filter the truth and redirect the dialog in a different direction. Between 2005 (the Unilateral Withdrawal from Gaza) and 2009 (establishment of the Blockade); the Islamic Resistance Movement launched some 7300 missiles and rockets into Israel. After the Blockade is instituted, in concert with strengthened border controls (per UNSC Res 1624), the number of missile and rocket attacks dramatically dropped.


Our friend "Hollie's" observations were on track. The institution of the Blockade had nothing what-so-ever to do with political punishment. Yes, there was grave disappointment that the Palestinian People voted in a Terrorist organization into a leadership role. After January 2006, there was a sharp increase in rocket and missile attacks; doubling from the 2005 level to the 2006. The number of launches again doubled in 2007 by the 2006 levels. And as you can see from the chart, there was a significant increase in launches in the year 2008 over the year 2007. BUT, in January 2009, the Blockade is activated and the number of launches decrease by over 75%.

Of course the Blockade was not a perfect solution, but it was fairly effective as a single countermeasure to the infiltration of weapons; complementing well other security countermeasures that were instituted that year.

Most Respectfully,
R
How can you possibly claim they attack the civilian population, when only 28 people have died in 14 years of rocket attacks.

End the occupation and you won't get rockets.
 
Well sorry, but you're still consumed with conspiracy theories as a way to defend Islamic terrorism.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I'll tell you what is a conspiracy theory, the notion Israel doesn't target civilians.
 
Billo_Really, Hollie, et al,

Oh Billo_Really, --- our friend "Hollie" is on target with her two commentaries.

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.
The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.
BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.
BTW, in the relevant first worked, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.
(COMMENT)

On the matter of terrorism as a means of defense, "Hollie" is correct! As UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s said: "Nothing can justify terrorismever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." When the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAPs) attempt, though deadly asymmetric means, to intimidate or coerce the Israeli civilian population as a strategy to bend Israeli National policy to the will of the Palestinian --- that is terrorism. To attack the civilian population to affect or influence the conduct of the Israeli government --- that is terrorism. Noting that terrorist attacks by means of bombs, explosives or other incendiary or lethal devices have become increasingly widespread, and stressing the need to supplement the existing legal instruments in order to address specifically the problem of terrorist attacks carried out by such means, is illegal (A/RES/51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism).

Remembering that: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/1624 (2005)
Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct;
Calls upon all States to cooperate, inter alia, to strengthen the security of their international borders, including by combating fraudulent travel documents and, to the extent attainable, by enhancing terrorist screening and passenger security procedures with a view to preventing those guilty of the conduct in paragraph 1 (a) from entering their territory;
Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters;​
There is absolutely no legal basis for the use of terrorism to in the false justification you present.

On the matter of the blockade as a punishment "Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections." This is entirely false. It was a propaganda effort by the HoAP to filter the truth and redirect the dialog in a different direction. Between 2005 (the Unilateral Withdrawal from Gaza) and 2009 (establishment of the Blockade); the Islamic Resistance Movement launched some 7300 missiles and rockets into Israel. After the Blockade is instituted, in concert with strengthened border controls (per UNSC Res 1624), the number of missile and rocket attacks dramatically dropped.


Our friend "Hollie's" observations were on track. The institution of the Blockade had nothing what-so-ever to do with political punishment. Yes, there was grave disappointment that the Palestinian People voted in a Terrorist organization into a leadership role. After January 2006, there was a sharp increase in rocket and missile attacks; doubling from the 2005 level to the 2006. The number of launches again doubled in 2007 by the 2006 levels. And as you can see from the chart, there was a significant increase in launches in the year 2008 over the year 2007. BUT, in January 2009, the Blockade is activated and the number of launches decrease by over 75%.

Of course the Blockade was not a perfect solution, but it was fairly effective as a single countermeasure to the infiltration of weapons; complementing well other security countermeasures that were instituted that year.

Most Respectfully,
R
How can you possibly claim they attack the civilian population, when only 28 people have died in 14 years of rocket attacks.

End the occupation and you won't get rockets.
"14 years of rocket attacks".

But.... but...... but......but I thought you and others were coming the Islamist terrorists of Hamas were freedom fighters™ or an islamic terrorist resistance group™.

End Islamic terrorism and Pal'istanian Islamic terrorist supporters won't die as a result of Hamas cowards hiding behind women and children when the Israel responds to those Islamic terrorist attacks.
 
Native people attacking colonizing settlers cannot, by definition, be considered terrorism. Unfortunately, it is only after decades and centuries that this fact becomes apparent.

While I firmly believe that peaceful means to achieve freedom are preferable, the Vicious Israeli Jew Occupier (ViJO) is responsible for the armed struggle of the native people of Palestine, after all, they traveled to Palestine with the intent to colonize the land and displace the native people by dispossessing the native people of the land they owned. (The Christians and Muslims owned 95% of the land in Palestine prior to partition)

Native people anywhere, therefore, have every right to resist colonization.

Today, no one would call the attacks on the Europeans (military or civilian settlers) by the Native Americans, terrorism. Because, it was not terrorism it was resistance to colonization. Palestinian resistance is resistance to occupation. Geronimo was considered a savage terrorist and was hunted down by the U.S., today he is considered a hero of the native american resistance by most Americans, not just native Americans. Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse etc. are now considered resistance heroes their European contemporaries considered them dangerous terrorists because they resisted colonization and occupation of their land.

UN Resolutions enshrine the right of native people to resist colonization/occupation:

Resolution A/RES/33/24 of 29 November 1978:

“2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;”

and Resolution A/RES/3246 (XXIX) of 29 November 1974, which specifically applies this right to the Palestinian people:

3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle; …
7. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of peoples under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;
 
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