Israel does not target civilians?

[Kondor3]

...Hamas = ISIS of Gaza.

And, as such, a disease, to be eradicated.

 

[Roudy]

All lies and bullshit as it's been well established that Hamas shoots rockets from homes, hospitals, and schools, while using Palestinian women and children as human shields. They are evil Islamic terrorist scum like ISIS, and the last thing on their minds is the lives of the civilians.

First off, why would they lie? And second, do you have any proof that they did?

I've posted proof of it a thousand times, there UN reports condemning the usage of UN schools for shooting and storing rockets, there's the Indian and Danish TV reporters that filmed Hamas shooting rockets from behind a hotel and a hospital. Nothing new with these savages.

Closed, empty schools were for the storage of ordnance.

Women and children were not used as human shields, by the resistance.

"Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay." The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields." Reuters, 2013: "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields."


Debunking Israel's 11 Main Myths About Gaza, Hamas and War Crimes

Oh! The schools were CLOSED! Gee, what else would you do with closed schools, but store and shoot rockets from? Dual purpose schools. Ha ha ha. OK so what about the Indian and Danish reporter video taping Hamas shooting rockets from behind a hotel and hospital, myth too? Sure sure.

You mean the Telawood videos.

LOL no it's videos taken by independent reporters from India and Denmark who documented Hamas animals shooting from hospitals and hotels.

So tell us, is it a Hamas policy that when schools close, they should be used for rocket storage? Are they running out of places to store rockets? Ha ha ha.

 

[RoccoR]

Humanity, et al,

In seven decades of fighting, there is little doubt that mistakes were made by the Israelis.

It's a shame that you cannot see that Israeli is WRONG and does attack civilians...

Yes, Hamas are a terrorist organisation...

Yes, Israel has broken customary international law...

Israel has committed war crimes and should be made to face those crimes...

I don't expect you to take off your Israel tinted glasses and agree... You will just have to learn from what happens in the future! When that time comes you can come back and have a proper debate... Until then you will simply spout your zionut propaganda and hope that everyone is a moron like your good self and believe every word of the 'Untouchable Israel'

(COMMENT)

INTENT:

• There is a great difference between individual improper behavior committed on the battlefield by the IDF.

---AND ---​

• The continuous attacks by the Palestinians since 1948, but in particular the early 1970's, in which they established a clear policy to attack civilians.
​

There is no policy or specific plan to intentionally target Palestinians Civilians by the IDF. However, nearly all of the Palestinian terrorist groups have adopted plans and carried out mission directed specifically against Israeli civilian, as well as other (historically). In fact, you have seen pro-Palestinians argue, right in this discussion group, that the Palestinians have the right to attack Israelis and that the Israelis have no right of defense.

In respect to "tinted glasses" --- you are playing at the very same game that the Palestinians do. We could fill-up pages and pages of confirmed Palestinian attacks on civilian target since before the 1972 Munich Olympics (4 decades ago); "committed as part of a plan or policy or as part of a large-scale commission of such crimes." And we could easily demonstrate that the Palestinians have a policy of jihad.

The Palestinians act as if, and are trying to convince the world, that they are lily white victims that have never committed a crime or attack that was not in self defense. That they are totally blameless for the fate that has befallen them.

For seven decades the Palestinians have not once put an once of effort into a viable peace process. The commit acts of war that any other Western of Arab country would crush them for, yet claim Israel has no room for complaint.

(FOOD FOR THOUGHT)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

I find it hilarious when they complain about "civilian" Palestinian deaths (that Hamas itself is responsible for), but don't have a word of condemnation towards Hamas who targets Israeli kids and women like bloodthirsty savages.

 

[RoccoR]

Humanity, et al,

Yeah, At first blush, I thought the same thing. But I'm chuckling with you.

Humanity, et al,

Yes, but the time is rapidly approaching when technology gaps will begin to close. A Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) with rockets and missiles

Roodboy, your comments are naive at best....

Thank god Hamas don't have the same firepower that Israel has! It's always difficult to hide an F-16 or Cobra helicopters behind a hospital or school isn't it!

I think you might find that Hamas has slightly different goals to ISIS, if you could be bothered to engage brain and understand the differences!

Israel targets civilians, pure and simple... If Israel were in anyway concerned about civilian casualties they would surely use more targeted options than simple blow the shit out of everything indiscriminately. They have the technology, thanks to the US, so why resort to 2000lb bombs that obliterate city blocks of property AND civilians when they can target individuals!

(COMMENT)

I'm not quite sure were they acquired the technology [(I'm betting Iran (Quds Force)], but, there will be a time when the Israeli will have to place low level sensors to detect and neutralize this threat.

View attachment 56461​

Most Respectfully,
R

So Hamas have acquired a drone?
I bet those Israeli pilots in their F-15's and F-16's are really scared now!

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure how many they have, or if HAMAS (whichever military wing has these resources) actually have a real implementation plan. Nor am I sure, which side that particular UAV represents a danger to. If the Palestinian launch a UAV, it has to go back home. All the Israelis have to do is double tap the bunker or HAZ that is home. I'm wondering how it is guided. Surely it wouldn't be by satellite down link. So if it is running a set mission programmed-in, then it becomes really vulnerable. Theoretically, the Israelis could take control of it.

I'm not sure what kind of missile/rocket it has. But I'm betting the Israelis know now that they have one.

My point was, that they are (some how) making progress in the arena of more sophisticated devices.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

First off, why would they lie? And second, do you have any proof that they did?

I've posted proof of it a thousand times, there UN reports condemning the usage of UN schools for shooting and storing rockets, there's the Indian and Danish TV reporters that filmed Hamas shooting rockets from behind a hotel and a hospital. Nothing new with these savages.

Closed, empty schools were for the storage of ordnance.

Women and children were not used as human shields, by the resistance.

"Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay." The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields." Reuters, 2013: "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields."


Debunking Israel's 11 Main Myths About Gaza, Hamas and War Crimes

Oh! The schools were CLOSED! Gee, what else would you do with closed schools, but store and shoot rockets from? Dual purpose schools. Ha ha ha. OK so what about the Indian and Danish reporter video taping Hamas shooting rockets from behind a hotel and hospital, myth too? Sure sure.

You mean the Telawood videos.

LOL no it's videos taken by independent reporters from India and Denmark who documented Hamas animals shooting from hospitals and hotels.

So tell us, is it a Hamas policy that when schools close, they should be used for rocket storage? Are they running out of places to store rockets? Ha ha ha.

No, they were Israeli produced Telawood videos. They were debunked long ago.

As long as the facilities are closed and empty of civilians, and are owned by the combatant they can be converted to military use. The problem is they were UN schools, hence the resistance was wrong in using them. I would steer clear from calling combatants that are simply fighting against Israeli aggression "animals".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's a graph of the location Gazan's were injured...

 

[montelatici]

Humanity, et al,

In seven decades of fighting, there is little doubt that mistakes were made by the Israelis.

It's a shame that you cannot see that Israeli is WRONG and does attack civilians...

Yes, Hamas are a terrorist organisation...

Yes, Israel has broken customary international law...

Israel has committed war crimes and should be made to face those crimes...

I don't expect you to take off your Israel tinted glasses and agree... You will just have to learn from what happens in the future! When that time comes you can come back and have a proper debate... Until then you will simply spout your zionut propaganda and hope that everyone is a moron like your good self and believe every word of the 'Untouchable Israel'

(COMMENT)

INTENT:

• There is a great difference between individual improper behavior committed on the battlefield by the IDF.

---AND ---​

• The continuous attacks by the Palestinians since 1948, but in particular the early 1970's, in which they established a clear policy to attack civilians.
​

There is no policy or specific plan to intentionally target Palestinians Civilians by the IDF. However, nearly all of the Palestinian terrorist groups have adopted plans and carried out mission directed specifically against Israeli civilian, as well as other (historically). In fact, you have seen pro-Palestinians argue, right in this discussion group, that the Palestinians have the right to attack Israelis and that the Israelis have no right of defense.

In respect to "tinted glasses" --- you are playing at the very same game that the Palestinians do. We could fill-up pages and pages of confirmed Palestinian attacks on civilian target since before the 1972 Munich Olympics (4 decades ago); "committed as part of a plan or policy or as part of a large-scale commission of such crimes." And we could easily demonstrate that the Palestinians have a policy of jihad.

The Palestinians act as if, and are trying to convince the world, that they are lily white victims that have never committed a crime or attack that was not in self defense. That they are totally blameless for the fate that has befallen them.

For seven decades the Palestinians have not once put an once of effort into a viable peace process. The commit acts of war that any other Western of Arab country would crush them for, yet claim Israel has no room for complaint.

(FOOD FOR THOUGHT)

View attachment 56470 View attachment 56471​

Most Respectfully,
R

Food for thought.


America Is the Only Country with a Favorable View of Israel

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is more accurate then most people think.

Hamas was a terrorist organization, not so much anymore. They're still on the terrorist list, but that's more political than factual at this point.

(COMMENT)

There is a branch, in the evolutionary development of terrorist organizations, that demonstrates that terrorist organizations can become something different then what they initially started out to be.

Much like the Sinn Féin, which split from the Irish Republican Army (IRA), and began to concentrate on political and parliamentary tactics to advance their cause; the IRA’s use of violence to protect the Catholics in Northern Ireland and end British control was a militant agenda they abandon. While the Sinn Féin was fully recognized and legally registered party in Ireland, it was banned in the UK until 1974; as many of its leaders were thought to be members of the IRA.

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party. We see the beginnings of this as the military wings become more and more autonomous; operating more independently. While anything is possible, I don't see it happening in our life-time. In fact, there is just as equal a chance that there will be a civil war between Palestinian Factions that want to focus on economic and industrial opportunities --- and ---- those that want to continue a struggle that is just retarding their improvements in the standard of living and the quality of life.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Here we are again, comparing apples and oranges.

America Is the Only Country with a Favorable View of Israel

(COMMENT)

Your 2012 Data on Israel is about how well the countries of the world like Israel.

My 2014 is about how well the Americans like HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is more accurate then most people think.

Hamas was a terrorist organization, not so much anymore. They're still on the terrorist list, but that's more political than factual at this point.

(COMMENT)

There is a branch, in the evolutionary development of terrorist organizations, that demonstrates that terrorist organizations can become something different then what they initially started out to be.

Much like the Sinn Féin, which split from the Irish Republican Army (IRA), and began to concentrate on political and parliamentary tactics to advance their cause; the IRA’s use of violence to protect the Catholics in Northern Ireland and end British control was a militant agenda they abandon. While the Sinn Féin was fully recognized and legally registered party in Ireland, it was banned in the UK until 1974; as many of its leaders were thought to be members of the IRA.

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party. We see the beginnings of this as the military wings become more and more autonomous; operating more independently. While anything is possible, I don't see it happening in our life-time. In fact, there is just as equal a chance that there will be a civil war between Palestinian Factions that want to focus on economic and industrial opportunities --- and ---- those that want to continue a struggle that is just retarding their improvements in the standard of living and the quality of life.

Most Respectfully,
R

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party.​

Indeed, one of the first things they did was to offer a ceasefire.

Israel rejected the proposal.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Here we are again, comparing apples and oranges.

America Is the Only Country with a Favorable View of Israel

(COMMENT)

Your 2012 Data on Israel is about how well the countries of the world like Israel.

My 2014 is about how well the Americans like HAMAS.

Most Respectfully,
R

And?

How about 21023-2014?

 

[Hollie]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is more accurate then most people think.

Hamas was a terrorist organization, not so much anymore. They're still on the terrorist list, but that's more political than factual at this point.

(COMMENT)

There is a branch, in the evolutionary development of terrorist organizations, that demonstrates that terrorist organizations can become something different then what they initially started out to be.

Much like the Sinn Féin, which split from the Irish Republican Army (IRA), and began to concentrate on political and parliamentary tactics to advance their cause; the IRA’s use of violence to protect the Catholics in Northern Ireland and end British control was a militant agenda they abandon. While the Sinn Féin was fully recognized and legally registered party in Ireland, it was banned in the UK until 1974; as many of its leaders were thought to be members of the IRA.

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party. We see the beginnings of this as the military wings become more and more autonomous; operating more independently. While anything is possible, I don't see it happening in our life-time. In fact, there is just as equal a chance that there will be a civil war between Palestinian Factions that want to focus on economic and industrial opportunities --- and ---- those that want to continue a struggle that is just retarding their improvements in the standard of living and the quality of life.

Most Respectfully,
R

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party.​

Indeed, one of the first things they did was to offer a ceasefire.

Israel rejected the proposal.

A video from 2007?

Strange, tinny, but that was only 2 years, thereabouts, after Hamas occupied Gaza following Israel's unilateral withdraw and two years of Hamas committing acts of war by firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

I guess dishonesty and fraud is an assist to promoting Islamic terrorists as wanting peace.

 

[Hollie]

Humanity, et al,

In seven decades of fighting, there is little doubt that mistakes were made by the Israelis.

It's a shame that you cannot see that Israeli is WRONG and does attack civilians...

Yes, Hamas are a terrorist organisation...

Yes, Israel has broken customary international law...

Israel has committed war crimes and should be made to face those crimes...

I don't expect you to take off your Israel tinted glasses and agree... You will just have to learn from what happens in the future! When that time comes you can come back and have a proper debate... Until then you will simply spout your zionut propaganda and hope that everyone is a moron like your good self and believe every word of the 'Untouchable Israel'

(COMMENT)

INTENT:

• There is a great difference between individual improper behavior committed on the battlefield by the IDF.

---AND ---​

• The continuous attacks by the Palestinians since 1948, but in particular the early 1970's, in which they established a clear policy to attack civilians.
​

There is no policy or specific plan to intentionally target Palestinians Civilians by the IDF. However, nearly all of the Palestinian terrorist groups have adopted plans and carried out mission directed specifically against Israeli civilian, as well as other (historically). In fact, you have seen pro-Palestinians argue, right in this discussion group, that the Palestinians have the right to attack Israelis and that the Israelis have no right of defense.

In respect to "tinted glasses" --- you are playing at the very same game that the Palestinians do. We could fill-up pages and pages of confirmed Palestinian attacks on civilian target since before the 1972 Munich Olympics (4 decades ago); "committed as part of a plan or policy or as part of a large-scale commission of such crimes." And we could easily demonstrate that the Palestinians have a policy of jihad.

The Palestinians act as if, and are trying to convince the world, that they are lily white victims that have never committed a crime or attack that was not in self defense. That they are totally blameless for the fate that has befallen them.

For seven decades the Palestinians have not once put an once of effort into a viable peace process. The commit acts of war that any other Western of Arab country would crush them for, yet claim Israel has no room for complaint.

(FOOD FOR THOUGHT)

View attachment 56470 View attachment 56471​

Most Respectfully,
R

Food for thought.


America Is the Only Country with a Favorable View of Israel

Food for thought. You're spamming the thread with off topic cutting and pasting.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is more accurate then most people think.

Hamas was a terrorist organization, not so much anymore. They're still on the terrorist list, but that's more political than factual at this point.

(COMMENT)

There is a branch, in the evolutionary development of terrorist organizations, that demonstrates that terrorist organizations can become something different then what they initially started out to be.

Much like the Sinn Féin, which split from the Irish Republican Army (IRA), and began to concentrate on political and parliamentary tactics to advance their cause; the IRA’s use of violence to protect the Catholics in Northern Ireland and end British control was a militant agenda they abandon. While the Sinn Féin was fully recognized and legally registered party in Ireland, it was banned in the UK until 1974; as many of its leaders were thought to be members of the IRA.

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party. We see the beginnings of this as the military wings become more and more autonomous; operating more independently. While anything is possible, I don't see it happening in our life-time. In fact, there is just as equal a chance that there will be a civil war between Palestinian Factions that want to focus on economic and industrial opportunities --- and ---- those that want to continue a struggle that is just retarding their improvements in the standard of living and the quality of life.

Most Respectfully,
R

Anyway, The Islamic Resistance Movement has some serious evolution to go through in order to really become legitimized as a true political party.​

Indeed, one of the first things they did was to offer a ceasefire.

Israel rejected the proposal.

A video from 2007?

Strange, tinny, but that was only 2 years, thereabouts, after Hamas occupied Gaza following Israel's unilateral withdraw and two years of Hamas committing acts of war by firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

I guess dishonesty and fraud is an assist to promoting Islamic terrorists as wanting peace.

Hamas never occupied Gaza.

You have been misinformed.

 

[Billo_Really]

Who do you think told Netanyahu to bombard Gaza after Tel Aviv was threatened.

It wasn't the Israeli left.

 

[Indeependent]

Who do you think told Netanyahu to bombard Gaza after Tel Aviv was threatened.

It wasn't the Israeli left.

Yes it was. Well, you may be right, because after Tel Aviv was lobbed at, there were more Leftists.
And keep repeating the word...Tunnels.

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't need to provide a detailed list of the current stabbings.

It's best you don't go there. The stabbings were either Palestinian youth sick of the occupation, or Israeli hit squads murdering innocent civilians in cold blood, then placing butter knives next to so they could kick them away and claim self defense.

 

[Indeependent]

I don't need to provide a detailed list of the current stabbings.

It's best you don't go there. The stabbings were either Palestinian youth sick of the occupation, or Israeli hit squads murdering innocent civilians in cold blood, then placing butter knives next to so they could kick them away and claim self defense.

Drinking a bit?

 

[Billo_Really]

I've posted proof of it a thousand times, there UN reports condemning the usage of UN schools for shooting and storing rockets, there's the Indian and Danish TV reporters that filmed Hamas shooting rockets from behind a hotel and a hospital. Nothing new with these savages.

You haven't posted jack shit regarding the PHR report. And you didn't answer my question.

Why would they lie?