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Israel Bombs Home of Gaza Pediatrician, Killing 9 of Her 10 Kids, in Latest Attack on Health Workers
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Blah, blah, blah, endless phukking blah...
Gazans (Hamas) should not have attacked Israel and killed 1,000+ civilians on October 7, 2023...
The idiots declared War on Israel, and Israel accepted the challenge and is now in the process of killing its enemies...
Those re-tards are not exactly the brightest crayons in the box...
Another reason why the REST of the Arab-Muslim governments of the region gave up on them a long time ago...
Gazans can end this in a single day...
Unconditional Surrender...
Until the Gazans do that the killing will continue...
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Death to Hamas.
Death to Hezbollah.
Go Team Israel.
gipper
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Should the Zionists have attacked the Palestinians for decades, and stolen their land?Blah, blah, blah, endless phukking blah...
Gazans (Hamas) should not have attacked Israel and killed 1,000+ civilians on October 7, 2023...
The idiots declared War on Israel, and Israel accepted the challenge and is now in the process of killing its enemies...
Those re-tards are not exactly the brightest crayons in the box...
Another reason why the REST of the Arab-Muslim governments of the region gave up on them a long time ago...
Gazans can end this in a single day...
Unconditional Surrender...
Until the Gazans do that the killing will continue...
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Death to Hamas.
Death to Hezbollah.
Go Team Israel.
Why did they do that?
Because Hamas embeds its military assets amongst civilian hospitals, schools, mosques, aid centers, camps, etc...
Hiding behind the skirts of its women and children like the chicken$hit pu$$ie$ they truly are...
If one is prosecuting a war against such vile cowardly scum one is obliged to target the areas where those scum are hiding...
If one is prosecuting a war against a radical militant Islamo-Fascist regime one must break the will of its enablers and supporters...
The Western Allies did this over Hamburg and Dresden and Frankfurt and Schweinfurt and Tokyo and Yokohama and Hiroshima...
It is the price one pays when one is stupid enough to awaken a sleeping military giant while lacking an ability to stop it...
Stupid-is as Stupid-does... which describes the idiots of Hamas and their scumbag Iranian patrons to a tee...
As to the Gazans who enable and support Hamas...
They, too, must die... allowing the more sane and peaceful amongst the Gazans to live and to rebuild afterwards...
Gazans can end this in a single day...
Gaza must surrender unconditionally...
Then the killing can stop...
Phukk the goddamned so-called Palestinians...
Vae victis...
Merely returning the favor for centuries of Islamist expansionism and imperialism and conquest...
Never mind mass expulsions of Jews in Arabic-Muslim lands over the past century or so...
Doesn't feel so good now that the shoe's on the other foot now, does it, Achmed?
Any so-called Palestinian with an ounce of brains and two shekels to rub together needs to get his people out of there...
It's over... time to relocate elsewhere and begin to build new lives for new generations, in peace, where they're wanted...
Or stay there and die... quickly, like in Gaza, or slowly, like in the West Bank...
It's over, Achmed... time to leave...
gipper
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Yes you love ethnic cleansing, but only when done by Zionists.
You tell 'em, Achmed...
Want it to stop?
Surrender.
I'm not sure that much "thinking" goes on in the Zionist mind so much as a spontaneous reaction to any unflattering observation of their genocidal "Mad Dog"(1) government.
Their reactions are very much like those of a very limited vending machine with only 2 "products".
Just pull their chain and out comes either:
1. "You're an anti Semite."
And...
2. "You support Hamas."
Simple slander requires very little thinking.
Thanks,
(1). "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Moshe Dayan
If you feel so strongly about "payback" for crimes against America, let's start with payback for the USS Liberty where the "Mad Dog" state (1) deliberately killed 34 Americans in an attempt to kill all 241 crew members.
Meanwhile, not one hostage died in Iranian captivity.
The closer you study Middle Eastern realities, the sooner you'll see that Israel is America's most treacherous parasite and most insidious enemy.
“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”
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(1). "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Moshe Dayan
Nope. The USS Liberty attack was wrong. They've 'fessed-up, apologized and indemnified. All done.
Your pathetic pi$$ant efforts to sow a little discord between US citizens and the US' best ally (Israel) in the region fail.
Israel just did us (and the world at-large) a big favor by crippling Iran's nuclear program.
We are grateful and admire their courage and cunning.
We will now SHOW our gratitude and admiration.
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Disingenuous and unfair. I make an undeniable effort to provide detailed and coherent responses to your claims and inquiries. Those realities you label "obvious" are not at all. This example of provocation falls into that category. There is a perfectly sound argument that Israel's military operation was not unprovoked. And I will make it. See below.
Are you? And what government are you a citizen of again? I believe you've said, but I can't recall. I am able to criticize the government of Canada, though I don't often have the chance to do so on the I/P forum. I am also fully capable of criticizing the government of Israel when deserved, and I have done so. The problem is not my inability to criticize Israel, but that you have failed to convince me that Israel is committing the things you accuse it of.
We agree.
The article linked makes a bold claim in its title. Israel's unprovoked bombing of Iran violates international law. Full stop. Strangely, the article then continues on without providing any support or evidence for this legal claim. It quotes no legal documents, treaties, or conventions. It provides no opinion on how this is a violation of law. It makes this statement and then blusters on about unrelated political opinion.
THIS is the problem. If you make a claim - substantiate it!
Provocation by Iran:
- funding, provisioning, and directing the activities of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis in their efforts to harm and dismantle Israel as a State
- sheltering enemies (military targets) of the State of Israel in wartime
- substantially increasing its ballistic missile and drone capability
- according to Israeli intelligence and verified by IAEA reports, developing nuclear weapons
- violating terms of IAEA Safeguard Agreement
- continued public declarations that it will destroy Israel
- there's a countdown clock, FFS
Well, we obtained the information about a secret program that included all the necessary parts to put together a bomb. The IAEA decided and reported that Iran possesses enough material for multiple nuclear weapons. So, we decided to take a preemptive action, a preemptive attack, and not to wait and not to be surprised. - Danny Danon, Israel Ambassador to the UN Source
5. Finds also that the Director General's inability ... to provide assurance that Iran's nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful gives rise to questions that are within the competence of the United Nations Security Council, as the organ bearing the main responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, consistent with Article III.B.4 of the Agency's Statute, and expresses its grave concern in this regard; - IAEA Board of Governors Resolution Source
"That resolution basically gives Israel a cover, or an immediate cause, as one could put it. Israel has been wanting to target Iran's nuclear sites for a long time," - Deepika Saraswat, Associate Fellow at Manohar Perrikar Institute for Defense Studies. Source
In a confidential report seen by the BBC, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said Iran now possesses over 400kg of uranium enriched to 60% purity - well above the level used for civilian purposes and close to weapons grade, and a near 50% increase in three months. It is enough for about 10 nuclear weapons if further refined, making Iran the only non nuclear-armed state producing uranium at this level. Source (I don't believe that the report is available online).
The remaining legal question, then, is whether these (undeniable) provocations constitute self-defense as a preemptive strike to an immanent threat (protected right under the laws of armed conflict) or if they constitute a preventative war against a future threat (violation of the laws of armed conflict).
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Relevant international law (excerpts, emphasis mine):
Article 58. Precautions against the effects of attacks The Parties to the conflict shall, to the maximum extent feasible: (a) without prejudice to Article 49 of the Fourth Convention, endeavor to remove the civilian population, individual civilians and civilian objects under their control from the vicinity of military objectives; (b) avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas; (c) take the other necessary precautions to protect the civilian population, individual civilians and civilian objects under their control against the dangers resulting from military operations. Additional Protocol I
Note: "maximum extent feasible" has far reach.
Article 18. Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and maternity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.
Article 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War
Legal:
- placing underground, well-protected, military bunkers and operations centers under above-ground military command centers
- placing above-ground military command centers in cities and city centers; and/or allowing urban growth around existing command centers. (This appears to be somewhat common practice, though I've done only surface research.)
- restricted access and clear distinction between military and civilian objects
Illegal:
- placing military operation centers near or under civilian protected places such as hospitals, places of worship, schools, residences
- failing to clearly distinguish between protected places and military objectives
- committing offensive attacks in proximity to civilian protected places
Noting, that while there is some risk to civilians and civilian infrastructure nearby, the legal requirement is for targeting the command center and not the surrounding structure.
This is my PERSONAL opinion. The legal discussion around the scope of "maximum extent feasible" is considerable and there is no clear consensus. My point is simply to address the internal consistency of my own arguments in holding both parties to the same standards.
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Well, assuming (without verification) that the top image represents the recent precision strikes on Iran and the image below represents some part of Gaza...
The goal of the Iran operation is to eliminate a small number of military targets in the chain of command, as well as destroy the infrastructure which contributes to nuclear weapons development, and Iran ballistic missile and drone attacks on Israel.
The goal of the Gaza operation is to dismantle the entirety of Hamas' military capabilities, including eliminating a significant portion of all fighting forces and ALL of the military infrastructure, including all booby-trapped buildings, tunnel entrances, weapons caches, underground command centers, tunnels, and anything else that contributes to the ability of Hamas to conduct atrocities on the citizens of Israel.
Wildly different in scope and purpose.
gipper
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Obviously wrong. Gaza is a genocide. Your nation has destroyed nearly every building in Gaza, yet Hamas is hiding underground. Bibi preferred to mass murder the women and children from the air. You must be so proud.
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