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God, if only you were...
So you admit that it is the appearance of the guns that scare you.AR's are modeled directly on war weapons. Sure someone can shoot people with a deer rifle. But how many bullets can you load into that rifle at a time? Does it have that cool handle so you can spray bullets all cool-like as if you were Rambo? Magazine size DOES have to be part of it. There is absolutely no excuse for AR's with 30 round mags in civilian society.
While the opinions on the Internet from one leftist tool don't scare me about buying guns, I'll admit that many of my gun purchases have been out of the threat of having them banned. For instance, I never cared about owning an AR-15 until government got serious about telling me that I couldn't have one. But I think you have a good idea. Everytime ANY gun controller starts a thread, I should buy a gun. I think that's the new plan.. Off to Bud's website now.Just because you want to take away my gun I'm going to go out and buy one.
Well, that's about obvious, silly - one has a cool stock and makes you look cool like Rambo.. She already said she has an infatuation with the cool stocks and Rambo.Keep your hunting rifles, but no one in this country needs an AR. We are not at war.
What is the difference between these two rifles?
We no longer have the justification of a "well regulated militia." That qualifier is in there for a reason.
I would like us to be SAFER from being shot by another civilian.
You're going to have to explain that one.What in hell is a gun RELATED death?
Some CATHOLIC Bastard scratches his own nuts and he's got 100,000+ family and relatives show up in federal court to explain why *I* shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm even though *I* have demonstrably never done anything wrong with a firearm.
Still ignoring mag size....and ergonomic add ons to make it easier to kill lots more faster.
And the Sacred Founding Fathers also were adamantly opposed to a standing army. Times change.
What are the 30 performance-enhancing add-ons?Well, both Ruger 14's. The bottom one is a Tactical Rifle. It has 30 different add-ons to enhance "performance." This is from Field and Stream on what a "Tactical Rifle" is.
All guns are pray-and-spray to the NYPD.A tactical rifle is a firearm designed for shooting people in a precise manner, as opposed to New York City Police Department doctrine, which is to empty the magazine as fast as you can in the general direction of everything standing and hope for the best.Mar 20, 2014
As far as accuracy goes, both can be made to be accurate. But a tactical rifle with a heavier barrel, can generally shoot more rounds before barrel heat starts to affect things. For hunting, this doesn't really come into consideration as you probably wont be taking that many shots.Oct 30, 2008
Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.
USA 12.21
UK 0.23
France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31
With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.
Coronavirus deaths in comparison work out at 98,000,- true that is more than twice as many, but gun deaths happen every year. Considering the lengths gone to, to stop Corona, isn't it time a total ban on guns was taken to bring the USA in line with what we consider to be a civilized society.
isn't it time a total ban on guns was taken to bring the USA in line
In that case, there's no such thing as an assault rifle - which is the actual case.I'll take the militaries ideas about what constitutes an assault rifle...and that aint it.
I don't give a damn what you call it. These "tactical rifles" and AR's have only one thing missing--the full auto feature. They aren't sold to civilians, so that topic is not even under discussion here.
It's a valid question. WHO do you think will attack us if the citizenry doesn't have AR's? I am not advocating banning all guns. No one is, in this country anyway. I'd love it if the goddamned things all disappeared, but I'm NOT a dreamer. I know that's not going back in the box. The Founding Fathers felt we might need to stand up to a tyrannical government, supposedly ours, at some point. They needed us armed as individuals because the last thing they wanted is what we have now--a massive standing army we have no hope of standing against.Well then what are you worried about? Who IS going to attack us that you need to defend yourself from?
More idiocy. Nobody is going to attack us - because we're armed. If we're disarmed, the answer is different.
Something very very wrong has happened in this country when people can't discuss their different ideas without being called Communists or Nazi's. It's insane. It's NOT what is actually going on here. Well, Bernie.....but he didn't make it through the primary, did he. I see some of the same things that concern conservatives. But the left is not primarily Communist or out to destroy us. We just see different approaches and solutions. Why are you making a war out of it?
It's sad that the oath you took meant so little to you. Yes, there are those who are, or were, in the military that will happily shoot Americans who are doing nothing more than exercising their rights. I am sorry for the Marines that such as you served and came out of it.Oz - thanks for this page ... I am a retired Marine and staunch supporter of legal guns, in lawful hands and NOT the GOP BS we hear 24/7: Home safety, our 2nd Amendment right, stand you ground, and open carry laws and such - they are TOTAL bullshit and I cannot support any of that.
Most of the GOP-generated struff is utter BS for the gun industry and huge amounts of gun-owner/NRA campaign money to run and stay in office and in turn they allow the crazy laws.
Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.
USA 12.21
UK 0.23
France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31
With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.
Coronavirus deaths in comparison work out at 98,000,- true that is more than twice as many, but gun deaths happen every year. Considering the lengths gone to, to stop Corona, isn't it time a total ban on guns was taken to bring the USA in line with what we consider to be a civilized society.
I made a mistake and I not only admitted it, I supplied the information. That is only a "pattern" of being honest and accepting new information even if it isn't what I previously believed.
I came to this board five years ago to argue for gun control and I've done plenty of "looking into it." I don't need your help to come to my conclusions. You are basing your argument of defense against a tyrannical government on nothing but pipe dreams.
I'm not wrong. Massive numbers of guns correlate to massive numbers of death by guns, far more than any other "civilized" country. One doesn't have to be a genius to get that.
That's true. Going by stats from the National Gang Center, about half of US homicides yearly are done by gangs. But blacks aren't the only people who form gangs, Lucy. Hispanics, Asians, Whites--anyone at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder looking for some cash and some influence and protection from other gangs. It's a mess. BUT THESE PEOPLE ALSO COUNT. A lot of those guns they use are illegally purchased on the street or stolen. If there weren't about a billion guns floating around in the US, it would be a LOT harder to get one illegally. Even if you take away that half (which we can't, they are part of our nation and our culture), we would still be many times higher in gun homicides than any other "highly developed" nation. Because a whole stinkin' bunch of us still have a gun in the closet for when we get pissed off. Around here, over half the gun homicides here are domestic violence.The stats I put up do not include suicides or accidents.Stats for homicides alone:Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.
USA 12.21
UK 0.23
France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31
With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.
Coronavirus deaths in comparison work out at 98,000,- true that is more than twice as many, but gun deaths happen every year. Considering the lengths gone to, to stop Corona, isn't it time a total ban on guns was taken to bring the USA in line with what we consider to be a civilized society.
And how many of those gun deaths are suicide vs violent crime deaths and then take into how many people die yearly from reckless drivers vs someone going to kill me in a violent crime my chances of dying is higher on the open road...
Results: US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries, driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher.
See the link for details.
Violent Death Rates: The US Compared with Other High-income OECD Countries, 2010 - PubMed
The United States has an enormous firearm problem compared with other high-income countries, with higher rates of homicide and firearm-related suicide. Compared with 2003 estimates, the US firearm death rate remains unchanged while firearm death rates in other countries decreased. Thus, the...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Still, my chances of dying on the open road is much higher than being killed in a violent crime resulting from a firearm.
Many firearm deaths have suicides in them which if you remove them and focus on the violent crime deaths then the reality of dying from a firearm death during a violent crime is much lower than dying on the open roads and you know this.
Also many of your violent crime deaths are in gang infested neighborhoods and if you look at that you will realize your are even less likely to die from a violent crime death with a firearm in Maine...
Misguided yoot are people too.
This argument is not about car accidents. Start another thread if you want to talk about them. This is about the needless 30,000+ gun homicides each year BEYOND car accidents and cancer and Covid and whatever else.
Most of America's gun homicides are done by Black Gangsta's, usually drug deals gone wrong and general Black Gang violence, sometimes random peoples are caught in the crossfire of this Black Gang violence.
There is a thread in Current Events about the amount of gun deaths across the weekend in Chicago, all Black areas it occur in.