CDZ Islamophobia

[mudwhistle]

We hear that accusation and chant constantly...particuarly from the antifa group when they are out in the streets hollering 'Islamaphobe' and of course we see it on the board constantly.

First of all let me post a definition of Islamaphobia to make sure we are on the same page..................'unreasonable dislike or fear of, and prejudice against, Muslims or Islam:' from --the Cambridge English Dictionary.

The key word being of course.....'unreasonable' ---so can it be said at least truthfully that 'Islamaphobia' is a problem in America or can it be truthfully said that Republicans are guilty of Islamaphobia?

Cathophobia is the fear of children wearing red hats. It triggers liberals into totally insane rage.

 

[progressive hunter]

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

The Covington students DID do something wrong. They engaged in a confrontation with other people who had legitimate rights to gather.

Nobody beat these little punks up. "Oh, my Gosh, he played a drum in my face!" Booo,hooo.

Apparently, you can go to a $8000 a year Catholic School and still not learn any manners.

The notion that when Christians can't impose their beliefs on the rest of us, they are being oppressed, is silly.

"You said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"

when did they engage anyone,,,they walked away and were followed and targeted by the blacks,,the old indian walked over to them

 

[Coyote]

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

The Covington students DID do something wrong. They engaged in a confrontation with other people who had legitimate rights to gather.

Nobody beat these little punks up. "Oh, my Gosh, he played a drum in my face!" Booo,hooo.

Apparently, you can go to a $8000 a year Catholic School and still not learn any manners.

The notion that when Christians can't impose their beliefs on the rest of us, they are being oppressed, is silly.

"You said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"

That's a load of nonsense Joe. The Covington kids did nothing wrong. The Indian drummer got in THEIR faces.

The black Jews were screaming obscenities, yet you have ZERO to say about that.

What happened with the Covington kids and Plillips is dependent on your point of view rather than any objective truth. And none of it involved their religion so using it as an example of a religious attack doesnt work.


The real condemnation should be on all the so called adults who took this, politicized it, blew it up way out of proportion and attacked and threatened them in ve andjuvenile ways. These are just 16 yr old kids after all.

 

[DandyDonovan]

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

The Covington students DID do something wrong. They engaged in a confrontation with other people who had legitimate rights to gather.

Nobody beat these little punks up. "Oh, my Gosh, he played a drum in my face!" Booo,hooo.

Apparently, you can go to a $8000 a year Catholic School and still not learn any manners.

The notion that when Christians can't impose their beliefs on the rest of us, they are being oppressed, is silly.

"You said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"

That's a load of nonsense Joe. The Covington kids did nothing wrong. The Indian drummer got in THEIR faces.

The black Jews were screaming obscenities, yet you have ZERO to say about that.

What happened with the Covington kids and Plillips is dependent on your point of view rather than any objective truth. And none of it involved their religion so using it as an example of a religious attack doesnt work.


The real condemnation should be on all the so called adults who took this, politicized it, blew it up way out of proportion and attacked and threatened them in ve andjuvenile ways. These are just 16 yr old kids after all.

It's not really objective at all, the kids didn't accost the old guy , okay maybe they were snide kids , but they did not do anything that I would punish my kids for and I"m a damn strict parent.

But we agree about your last point. I asked in another thread why were we lectured about "they're just kids" when the Parkland kids injected themselves into adult conversations, but these kids are fair game to so many liberals? I challenge you to find ANY conservative celebrity that tweeted out a death threat to David Hogg and company, for example.

 

[progressive hunter]

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

The Covington students DID do something wrong. They engaged in a confrontation with other people who had legitimate rights to gather.

Nobody beat these little punks up. "Oh, my Gosh, he played a drum in my face!" Booo,hooo.

Apparently, you can go to a $8000 a year Catholic School and still not learn any manners.

The notion that when Christians can't impose their beliefs on the rest of us, they are being oppressed, is silly.

"You said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"

That's a load of nonsense Joe. The Covington kids did nothing wrong. The Indian drummer got in THEIR faces.

The black Jews were screaming obscenities, yet you have ZERO to say about that.

What happened with the Covington kids and Plillips is dependent on your point of view rather than any objective truth. And none of it involved their religion so using it as an example of a religious attack doesnt work.


The real condemnation should be on all the so called adults who took this, politicized it, blew it up way out of proportion and attacked and threatened them in ve andjuvenile ways. These are just 16 yr old kids after all.

by god you can make sense sometimes

 

[Dogmaphobe]

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

The Covington students DID do something wrong. They engaged in a confrontation with other people who had legitimate rights to gather.

Nobody beat these little punks up. "Oh, my Gosh, he played a drum in my face!" Booo,hooo.

Apparently, you can go to a $8000 a year Catholic School and still not learn any manners.

The notion that when Christians can't impose their beliefs on the rest of us, they are being oppressed, is silly.

"You said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"

when did they engage anyone,,,they walked away and were followed and targeted by the blacks,,the old indian walked over to them

Well yes, but that is the objective truth of the matter

Those with hateful agendas sublimate truth to their agenda, however, so no amount of rational discussion based upon that which can be defended objectively is possible. It's like trying to reason a bull out of charging the red flag.

 

[leecross]

Islamophobia....

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Police in upstate New York have arrested three men and a 16-year-old youth on weapons and conspiracy charges. The four allegedly plotted a bomb attack against an Islamic community. At a news conference Tuesday, police chief Patrick Phelan from Greece, N.Y., a suburb outside Rochester, said the suspects assembled an arsenal including more than 20 firearms and three improvised explosive devices.

"There was a plan to attack this community with weapons," Phelan said. "If they had carried out this plot — and there's every indication is that they were going to — people would have died. I don't know how many and who, but people would have died."

Phelan declined to talk about the motive for the attack, citing the ongoing investigation.

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.

In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump...

...State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.

That is wrong and to be condemned. I condemn attacking Muslims simply because they are Muslims.

Now let me ask you a tengentially related question.

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

Why is that? The only conclusion a reasonable person can reach is that these folks do not actually care if innocent people are attacked.

The Covington students were not attacked because of their religion.

I think that the war on Christians is largely hype and the reason I say that is they cant point out any special rights other faiths get that dont also apply to them. They are by far the cultural and religious majority in this nation, the religious holidays are state and federal holidays. They carry a poweful political clout. Much of the conflict labeled as "war" iis a conflict of rights in civil society, who's rights are more important?

I do agree though with the fact that the left tends to be very intolerant and even disrespectful of Christians while they simultaneously champion the rights of other faiths. We are a country who's very exhistence is built upon an underpinning of religious freedom. For all. It doesnt hurt anyone to show respect, compassion and tolerance for other points of view. We are all bound by our Constitution after all.

If there are attacks on Christians like the one in the article, they should be called out for what they are. But there really arent many because Christians in this country are a majority. It is minorities that tend to get scapegoated because the lack the power to fight back, they tend to be defined as the Other in times of stress.

I think that the war on Christians is largely hype and the reason I say that is they cant point out any special rights other faiths get that dont also apply to them.

How about the new Muslim Congresswoman being allowed to wear a hijab in the halls of Congress?

They changed the law for Islam.

When laws are changed due to Christianity in this country these days, it is to reduce the popularity or visibility or effect of Christianity.

Not to permit it in places in government where it never was before.

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[leecross]

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

The Covington students DID do something wrong. They engaged in a confrontation with other people who had legitimate rights to gather.

Nobody beat these little punks up. "Oh, my Gosh, he played a drum in my face!" Booo,hooo.

Apparently, you can go to a $8000 a year Catholic School and still not learn any manners.

The notion that when Christians can't impose their beliefs on the rest of us, they are being oppressed, is silly.

"You said 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"

I bet you supported Left Wing protests, though. Eh?

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[leecross]

What does whether Christians fought Nazis in WWII have to do with what Muslims are doing today?

Come on Meister, I thought derailing threads was gauche?

So you only want to talk about THEIR atrocities and not OUR atrocities.

Got it.

Joe, have you seen me say ANYTHING about what Muslims did 500 years ago? No you haven't.

I'm done trying to have discussions with you. iT's a waste of time.

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109:2 I do not worship what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship, and you will never worship what I worship. You to your religion, me to my religion.

This sounds very tolerant, but this verse was written later:

9:5 When the sacred months are passed, kill the kafirs wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. Allah is gracious and merciful.

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[leecross]

Joe, have you seen me say ANYTHING about what Muslims did 500 years ago? No you haven't.

I'm done trying to have discussions with you. iT's a waste of time.

I'm still shocked you think WWII happened 500 years ago, but whatever.

I'm sorry I am not validating your hate... but I've staked out my position. I don't think they are the enemy because the Zionists say so.

They and you are our enemy because you are waging a low intensity war of Jihad (the various forms of Jihad are mouth, hand, wallet and murder) to eventually (as long as it takes) supplant our Constitution with Sharia law.

You and they are doing it without our willing and informed consent.

That makes you our enemy.

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[leecross]

Islamophobia....

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Police in upstate New York have arrested three men and a 16-year-old youth on weapons and conspiracy charges. The four allegedly plotted a bomb attack against an Islamic community. At a news conference Tuesday, police chief Patrick Phelan from Greece, N.Y., a suburb outside Rochester, said the suspects assembled an arsenal including more than 20 firearms and three improvised explosive devices.

"There was a plan to attack this community with weapons," Phelan said. "If they had carried out this plot — and there's every indication is that they were going to — people would have died. I don't know how many and who, but people would have died."

Phelan declined to talk about the motive for the attack, citing the ongoing investigation.

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.

In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump...

...State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.

I do not support lawlessness or violence toward Muslims.

But something must be done to stop Islamization.

Any of you Islamists have an idea of how to stop the Islamization of America without the use of violence?

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[Coyote]

Islamophobia....

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Police in upstate New York have arrested three men and a 16-year-old youth on weapons and conspiracy charges. The four allegedly plotted a bomb attack against an Islamic community. At a news conference Tuesday, police chief Patrick Phelan from Greece, N.Y., a suburb outside Rochester, said the suspects assembled an arsenal including more than 20 firearms and three improvised explosive devices.

"There was a plan to attack this community with weapons," Phelan said. "If they had carried out this plot — and there's every indication is that they were going to — people would have died. I don't know how many and who, but people would have died."

Phelan declined to talk about the motive for the attack, citing the ongoing investigation.

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.

In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump...

...State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.

That is wrong and to be condemned. I condemn attacking Muslims simply because they are Muslims.

Now let me ask you a tengentially related question.

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

Why is that? The only conclusion a reasonable person can reach is that these folks do not actually care if innocent people are attacked.

The Covington students were not attacked because of their religion.

I think that the war on Christians is largely hype and the reason I say that is they cant point out any special rights other faiths get that dont also apply to them. They are by far the cultural and religious majority in this nation, the religious holidays are state and federal holidays. They carry a poweful political clout. Much of the conflict labeled as "war" iis a conflict of rights in civil society, who's rights are more important?

I do agree though with the fact that the left tends to be very intolerant and even disrespectful of Christians while they simultaneously champion the rights of other faiths. We are a country who's very exhistence is built upon an underpinning of religious freedom. For all. It doesnt hurt anyone to show respect, compassion and tolerance for other points of view. We are all bound by our Constitution after all.

If there are attacks on Christians like the one in the article, they should be called out for what they are. But there really arent many because Christians in this country are a majority. It is minorities that tend to get scapegoated because the lack the power to fight back, they tend to be defined as the Other in times of stress.

I think that the war on Christians is largely hype and the reason I say that is they cant point out any special rights other faiths get that dont also apply to them.

How about the new Muslim Congresswoman being allowed to wear a hijab in the halls of Congress?

They changed the law for Islam.

When laws are changed due to Christianity in this country these days, it is to reduce the popularity or visibility or effect of Christianity.

Not to permit it in places in government where it never was before.

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How about it?

First, it wasn’t a law. It was a 19th century House rule.
Second, it isn’t specific to or limited ro Muslims.

U.S. House alters rule to allow for religious head covering

What laws have been passed that apply only to one religion, such as Christians? Or Islam?

 

[Coyote]

Islamophobia....

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Police in upstate New York have arrested three men and a 16-year-old youth on weapons and conspiracy charges. The four allegedly plotted a bomb attack against an Islamic community. At a news conference Tuesday, police chief Patrick Phelan from Greece, N.Y., a suburb outside Rochester, said the suspects assembled an arsenal including more than 20 firearms and three improvised explosive devices.

"There was a plan to attack this community with weapons," Phelan said. "If they had carried out this plot — and there's every indication is that they were going to — people would have died. I don't know how many and who, but people would have died."

Phelan declined to talk about the motive for the attack, citing the ongoing investigation.

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.

In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump...

...State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.

I do not support lawlessness or violence toward Muslims.

But something must be done to stop Islamization.

Any of you Islamists have an idea of how to stop the Islamization of America without the use of violence?

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Well....first of all, you seem to be contradicting yourself saying the one hand you oppose violence while implying on the other that violence might be the only answer.

Secondly, what “Islamization” is occurring in America and how has it affected you personally?

 

[leecross]

Islamophobia....

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Police in upstate New York have arrested three men and a 16-year-old youth on weapons and conspiracy charges. The four allegedly plotted a bomb attack against an Islamic community. At a news conference Tuesday, police chief Patrick Phelan from Greece, N.Y., a suburb outside Rochester, said the suspects assembled an arsenal including more than 20 firearms and three improvised explosive devices.

"There was a plan to attack this community with weapons," Phelan said. "If they had carried out this plot — and there's every indication is that they were going to — people would have died. I don't know how many and who, but people would have died."

Phelan declined to talk about the motive for the attack, citing the ongoing investigation.

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.

In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump...

...State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.

That is wrong and to be condemned. I condemn attacking Muslims simply because they are Muslims.

Now let me ask you a tengentially related question.

How come VERY liberals can ever issue such a simple condemnation when Christians are attacked for no reason? Instead we get the same old bullshit "Oh here we go with war on Christians conspiracy" "oh Christians are such snowflakes" or the Christians are simply blame for starting it even if they did nothing wrong (ala the Covington students)

Why is that? The only conclusion a reasonable person can reach is that these folks do not actually care if innocent people are attacked.

The Covington students were not attacked because of their religion.

I think that the war on Christians is largely hype and the reason I say that is they cant point out any special rights other faiths get that dont also apply to them. They are by far the cultural and religious majority in this nation, the religious holidays are state and federal holidays. They carry a poweful political clout. Much of the conflict labeled as "war" iis a conflict of rights in civil society, who's rights are more important?

I do agree though with the fact that the left tends to be very intolerant and even disrespectful of Christians while they simultaneously champion the rights of other faiths. We are a country who's very exhistence is built upon an underpinning of religious freedom. For all. It doesnt hurt anyone to show respect, compassion and tolerance for other points of view. We are all bound by our Constitution after all.

If there are attacks on Christians like the one in the article, they should be called out for what they are. But there really arent many because Christians in this country are a majority. It is minorities that tend to get scapegoated because the lack the power to fight back, they tend to be defined as the Other in times of stress.

I think that the war on Christians is largely hype and the reason I say that is they cant point out any special rights other faiths get that dont also apply to them.

How about the new Muslim Congresswoman being allowed to wear a hijab in the halls of Congress?

They changed the law for Islam.

When laws are changed due to Christianity in this country these days, it is to reduce the popularity or visibility or effect of Christianity.

Not to permit it in places in government where it never was before.

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How about it?

First, it wasn’t a law. It was a 19th century House rule.
Second, it isn’t specific to or limited ro Muslims.

U.S. House alters rule to allow for religious head covering

What laws have been passed that apply only to one religion, such as Christians? Or Islam?

Actually, I cant think of any others, though there may be hundreds. I really dont know.

But, the reality is that Muslims have come to expect Kafirs to bend over backwards to accommodate them and it is more often done without need for any laws.

Just imagine there were patriotic Americans avidly supporting the erection of a mosque at Ground Zero.

WTF???!!!

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[leecross]

Islamophobia....

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Police in upstate New York have arrested three men and a 16-year-old youth on weapons and conspiracy charges. The four allegedly plotted a bomb attack against an Islamic community. At a news conference Tuesday, police chief Patrick Phelan from Greece, N.Y., a suburb outside Rochester, said the suspects assembled an arsenal including more than 20 firearms and three improvised explosive devices.

"There was a plan to attack this community with weapons," Phelan said. "If they had carried out this plot — and there's every indication is that they were going to — people would have died. I don't know how many and who, but people would have died."

Phelan declined to talk about the motive for the attack, citing the ongoing investigation.

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.

In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump...

...State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.

I do not support lawlessness or violence toward Muslims.

But something must be done to stop Islamization.

Any of you Islamists have an idea of how to stop the Islamization of America without the use of violence?

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Well....first of all, you seem to be contradicting yourself saying the one hand you oppose violence while implying on the other that violence might be the only answer.

Secondly, what “Islamization” is occurring in America and how has it affected you personally?

Muslim Brotherhood in America, Part 1: The Threat Doctrine of Shariah & the Muslim Brotherhood

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The first section of this briefing explains what shariah is according to the authorities and institutions of Islam and as promoted most aggressively by an organization called the Muslim Brotherhood.










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[JoeB131]

That's a load of nonsense Joe. The Covington kids did nothing wrong. The Indian drummer got in THEIR faces.

The black Jews were screaming obscenities, yet you have ZERO to say about that.

Actually, the did do something wrong. They went there in their Nazi MAGA caps and started a confrontation.

And they got exactly the reaction they should have expected.

 

[JoeB131]

They and you are our enemy because you are waging a low intensity war of Jihad (the various forms of Jihad are mouth, hand, wallet and murder) to eventually (as long as it takes) supplant our Constitution with Sharia law.

You and they are doing it without our willing and informed consent.

That makes you our enemy.

Naw, man, the enemy are the rich people in this country trying to destroy the middle class.

NOt some people on the other side of the planet minding their own business.

 

[JoeB131]

I do not support lawlessness or violence toward Muslims.

But something must be done to stop Islamization.

Any of you Islamists have an idea of how to stop the Islamization of America without the use of violence?

Sure.

1) Stop going to the other side of the planet at the behest of the Zionists and Oil Companies.
2) Realize some lady wearing a hijab isn't really a threat to you.

 

[sparky]

What laws have been passed that apply only to one religion, such as Christians? Or Islam?

The 'tax paid' Chaplin who starts every Congressional session w/prayer, and won't stfu in a shutdown.>>>>
Opening Prayer Archive, Office of the Chaplain

01/17/2019
Doctor Barry C. Black
O God, our way, our truth, and our life, we worship You.

Quicken our consciences by Your holiness, that we will find nourishment in Your truth.

As this partial government shutdown continues, help our lawmakers to open their hearts to Your love and to surrender their desires to Your
purposes.

Lord, in this tangled world, we are conscious of our woeful inadequacies to sit in the seats of judgment, to balance the scales of justice, and to respond with equity to the myriad calls of human needs.

We need You, Eternal God, to crown the deliberations of this Chamber with Your wisdom to fit these challenging times.

We pray in Your mighty Name. Amen.



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[sparky]

Secondly, what “Islamization” is occurring in America and how has it affected you personally?

the fact that it's being pandered to

for ex., our new Muslim Congresscritter being sworn in on Jefferson's Koran.....

Further, one need not look any further than zionization to validate the religmo insurgence undermining our 1st Amd here

Give Islam time, and they'll follow suit

~S~