CDZ Islamification of The West

[saveliberty]

How do you think the US can best counter the efforts extremist religions may try to gain power in the US? Right now we have far more to fear from extremist Christians than Muslims in America.

Yes, dozens of attacks on military bases by Christian groups these days. Thank Allah Muslim bakeries are making gay wedding cakes....

What military bases in teh US are being attacked by Muslims.

I did not mention Muslims attacking military bases did I?

 

[Dale Smith]

When Pegida (Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the West) announced it was launching a UK franchise, many waited with baited breath to see whether the German-born movement could muster the same show of strength in the UK which had provided its namesake’s notoriety. Specifically, it has been the German Pegida’s ability to draw crowds numbering in the tens of thousands which placed the movement squarely in the spotlight, combined with a new form of far right activism which saw a shift from thuggish gangs to the presence of families and women coming together to oppose the so-called “Islamicisation of Europe”.

British punditry was quick to deride the small show of a few hundred people marching through the rain by Birmingham train station on a cold February morning. There has long been a sense of British exceptionalism when it comes to the far right, particularly when compared with other European countries. The French National Front won record numbers of votes and historic firsts in local and regional elections last year and is set to make the second round of the 2017 presidential election. In Greece, one of Europe’s most violent far-right parties, Golden Dawn, came third in the September’s general election, while even more traditionally resilient to fascism Nordic countries, including Finland and Denmark, have seen the growth of the political representation of far-right parties at the polls.

In Britain, the BNP is a largely redundant party, while efforts by other far-right parties, such as Britain First, have failed to garner much public support. Meanwhile UKIP’s Nigel Farage has played on the very same register which has seen the far-right rise to prominence elsewhere, notably a fear of immigrants and a disdain for the EU.
- See more at: Pegida UK: Mainstreaming the far right with mums and prams

Dhara, there are certain cultures that do not mix and when one becomes more dominant than the other because of ideologies and how they conflict? It doesn't work and it will never work. Would it be wise to introduce grizzly bears into the wilds of Africa? Would that make any sense at all? I have seen the youtube videos of radical muslims that have been shipped into European countries and they are being allowed to take over. There are certain parts of London that the cops will not even go into because they get attacked by these middle eastern muslims. Not every culture can mix and merge and to think so is pollyanna thinking and it's not gonna end well for all concerned.

Videos are a snapshot in time...with no context. Are they representative of a larger trend or - just a sensationalist scene that goes viral?

The idea of "no go zones" in London is one of those not so accurate claims that has gone viral.

Yeaaaah, keep thinking that if it makes you sleep better at night. There are hundreds of youtube videos showing these "guests" being less than gracious.

There are hundreds of youtube videos showing lots of things - that doesn't mean they are representative of large numbers. Youtube is like the news - what gets attention? Sex, violence, extreme behaviors (usually involving celebrities), blood and gore. When is the last time you saw a youtube video going viral depicting a Christian rummage sale benefitting building shelters for the homeless, or a Mosque sponsored student event supporting earthquake victims? No one cares about that stuff.

Yeah, you betcha...these islamic refugees are fitting in peacefully and assimilating just fine...sure they are.

 

[pillars]

How do you think the US can best counter the efforts extremist religions may try to gain power in the US? Right now we have far more to fear from extremist Christians than Muslims in America.

Yes, dozens of attacks on military bases by Christian groups these days. Thank Allah Muslim bakeries are making gay wedding cakes....

What military bases in teh US are being attacked by Muslims.

I did not mention Muslims attacking military bases did I?

No. Dark Fury did.

 

[Dhara]

You reject freedom of religion in the US? You think Islam should be banned?

Oh absolutely. Really? You get to put words in my mouth? Try again. Maybe try a more honest approach to debate okay?

It's a question, not a statement. Apparently, you don't want to give an honest answer.

Oh, you got dishonest old me. So there would be no point to answering a question, since I would obviously be untruthful.

Can you simply answer the question? Should the US outlaw Islam in America?

 

[pillars]

Yeah, you betcha...these islamic refugees are fitting in peacefully and assimilating just fine...sure they are.

I'd rather live next door to an Islamic refugee than a conspiracy theorist. Just saying.

 

[Coyote]

When Pegida (Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the West) announced it was launching a UK franchise, many waited with baited breath to see whether the German-born movement could muster the same show of strength in the UK which had provided its namesake’s notoriety. Specifically, it has been the German Pegida’s ability to draw crowds numbering in the tens of thousands which placed the movement squarely in the spotlight, combined with a new form of far right activism which saw a shift from thuggish gangs to the presence of families and women coming together to oppose the so-called “Islamicisation of Europe”.

British punditry was quick to deride the small show of a few hundred people marching through the rain by Birmingham train station on a cold February morning. There has long been a sense of British exceptionalism when it comes to the far right, particularly when compared with other European countries. The French National Front won record numbers of votes and historic firsts in local and regional elections last year and is set to make the second round of the 2017 presidential election. In Greece, one of Europe’s most violent far-right parties, Golden Dawn, came third in the September’s general election, while even more traditionally resilient to fascism Nordic countries, including Finland and Denmark, have seen the growth of the political representation of far-right parties at the polls.

In Britain, the BNP is a largely redundant party, while efforts by other far-right parties, such as Britain First, have failed to garner much public support. Meanwhile UKIP’s Nigel Farage has played on the very same register which has seen the far-right rise to prominence elsewhere, notably a fear of immigrants and a disdain for the EU.
- See more at: Pegida UK: Mainstreaming the far right with mums and prams

Dhara, there are certain cultures that do not mix and when one becomes more dominant than the other because of ideologies and how they conflict? It doesn't work and it will never work. Would it be wise to introduce grizzly bears into the wilds of Africa? Would that make any sense at all? I have seen the youtube videos of radical muslims that have been shipped into European countries and they are being allowed to take over. There are certain parts of London that the cops will not even go into because they get attacked by these middle eastern muslims. Not every culture can mix and merge and to think so is pollyanna thinking and it's not gonna end well for all concerned.

Videos are a snapshot in time...with no context. Are they representative of a larger trend or - just a sensationalist scene that goes viral?

The idea of "no go zones" in London is one of those not so accurate claims that has gone viral.

Yeaaaah, keep thinking that if it makes you sleep better at night. There are hundreds of youtube videos showing these "guests" being less than gracious.

There are hundreds of youtube videos showing lots of things - that doesn't mean they are representative of large numbers. Youtube is like the news - what gets attention? Sex, violence, extreme behaviors (usually involving celebrities), blood and gore. When is the last time you saw a youtube video going viral depicting a Christian rummage sale benefitting building shelters for the homeless, or a Mosque sponsored student event supporting earthquake victims? No one cares about that stuff.

Yeah, you betcha...these islamic refugees are fitting in peacefully and assimilating just fine...sure they are.

Most are doing exactly that.

 

[Dhara]

When Pegida (Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the West) announced it was launching a UK franchise, many waited with baited breath to see whether the German-born movement could muster the same show of strength in the UK which had provided its namesake’s notoriety. Specifically, it has been the German Pegida’s ability to draw crowds numbering in the tens of thousands which placed the movement squarely in the spotlight, combined with a new form of far right activism which saw a shift from thuggish gangs to the presence of families and women coming together to oppose the so-called “Islamicisation of Europe”.

British punditry was quick to deride the small show of a few hundred people marching through the rain by Birmingham train station on a cold February morning. There has long been a sense of British exceptionalism when it comes to the far right, particularly when compared with other European countries. The French National Front won record numbers of votes and historic firsts in local and regional elections last year and is set to make the second round of the 2017 presidential election. In Greece, one of Europe’s most violent far-right parties, Golden Dawn, came third in the September’s general election, while even more traditionally resilient to fascism Nordic countries, including Finland and Denmark, have seen the growth of the political representation of far-right parties at the polls.

In Britain, the BNP is a largely redundant party, while efforts by other far-right parties, such as Britain First, have failed to garner much public support. Meanwhile UKIP’s Nigel Farage has played on the very same register which has seen the far-right rise to prominence elsewhere, notably a fear of immigrants and a disdain for the EU.
- See more at: Pegida UK: Mainstreaming the far right with mums and prams

Dhara, there are certain cultures that do not mix and when one becomes more dominant than the other because of ideologies and how they conflict? It doesn't work and it will never work. Would it be wise to introduce grizzly bears into the wilds of Africa? Would that make any sense at all? I have seen the youtube videos of radical muslims that have been shipped into European countries and they are being allowed to take over. There are certain parts of London that the cops will not even go into because they get attacked by these middle eastern muslims. Not every culture can mix and merge and to think so is pollyanna thinking and it's not gonna end well for all concerned.

Videos are a snapshot in time...with no context. Are they representative of a larger trend or - just a sensationalist scene that goes viral?

The idea of "no go zones" in London is one of those not so accurate claims that has gone viral.

Yeaaaah, keep thinking that if it makes you sleep better at night. There are hundreds of youtube videos showing these "guests" being less than gracious.

There are hundreds of youtube videos showing lots of things - that doesn't mean they are representative of large numbers. Youtube is like the news - what gets attention? Sex, violence, extreme behaviors (usually involving celebrities), blood and gore. When is the last time you saw a youtube video going viral depicting a Christian rummage sale benefitting building shelters for the homeless, or a Mosque sponsored student event supporting earthquake victims? No one cares about that stuff.

Yeah, you betcha...these islamic refugees are fitting in peacefully and assimilating just fine...sure they are.

PEGIDA America is next.

 

[saveliberty]

How do you think the US can best counter the efforts extremist religions may try to gain power in the US? Right now we have far more to fear from extremist Christians than Muslims in America.

Christians did NOT behead that woman in Oklahoma, Islam did.
Christians did NOT kill those people in California, Islam did.
Christians did NOT kill the homosexual in Seattle, Islam did.

The anger is NOT misplaced. The guilt is simply being denied by the group.

A Christian blew up the Oklahoma City federal building. Are you angry at Christians for that?
Christians have killed thousands of people in California in the past 10 years. Are you angry at Christians for that?
Christians have killed gays all over the U.S. Are you angry at Christianity for that?

Was Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a Christian?

He was a professed Agnostic.

 

[Coyote]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

 

[Dhara]

How do you think the US can best counter the efforts extremist religions may try to gain power in the US? Right now we have far more to fear from extremist Christians than Muslims in America.

Yes, dozens of attacks on military bases by Christian groups these days. Thank Allah Muslim bakeries are making gay wedding cakes....

What military bases in teh US are being attacked by Muslims.

I did not mention Muslims attacking military bases did I?

Come on now.
What is your answer to your obvious fear that Terrorist Muslims are taking over America? What should be done?

 

[saveliberty]

You know, a lot of French people are criminals in France? Funny how that can happen....

 

[Dale Smith]

Dhara, there are certain cultures that do not mix and when one becomes more dominant than the other because of ideologies and how they conflict? It doesn't work and it will never work. Would it be wise to introduce grizzly bears into the wilds of Africa? Would that make any sense at all? I have seen the youtube videos of radical muslims that have been shipped into European countries and they are being allowed to take over. There are certain parts of London that the cops will not even go into because they get attacked by these middle eastern muslims. Not every culture can mix and merge and to think so is pollyanna thinking and it's not gonna end well for all concerned.

Videos are a snapshot in time...with no context. Are they representative of a larger trend or - just a sensationalist scene that goes viral?

The idea of "no go zones" in London is one of those not so accurate claims that has gone viral.

Yeaaaah, keep thinking that if it makes you sleep better at night. There are hundreds of youtube videos showing these "guests" being less than gracious.

There are hundreds of youtube videos showing lots of things - that doesn't mean they are representative of large numbers. Youtube is like the news - what gets attention? Sex, violence, extreme behaviors (usually involving celebrities), blood and gore. When is the last time you saw a youtube video going viral depicting a Christian rummage sale benefitting building shelters for the homeless, or a Mosque sponsored student event supporting earthquake victims? No one cares about that stuff.

Yeah, you betcha...these islamic refugees are fitting in peacefully and assimilating just fine...sure they are.

PEGIDA America is next.

Nah, I don't see that....just so long as they behave themselves. We are not pussies in this country. The first time a muslim neighborhood claims that their "hood" is off limits to non-muslims? They are gonna have a "Come to Jesus" moment. They might get away with that shit in Europe...but not here and especially in the south. They haven't seen what the wrath of a redneck can be like.

 

[Dhara]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

 

[Dale Smith]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

Sure, they can stay...just so long as they behave themselves. They tried to push the Irving,Texas city council to give them their own little piece of the city to be under Sharia Law and it was voted down...they pissed and moaned and made threats but at the end of the day they knew that they were not in the Middle East anymore. We have guns....we are not afraid to brandish them either. It's a concealed carry in that state and good on 'em.

 

[Dhara]

How do you think the US can best counter the efforts extremist religions may try to gain power in the US? Right now we have far more to fear from extremist Christians than Muslims in America.

Christians did NOT behead that woman in Oklahoma, Islam did.
Christians did NOT kill those people in California, Islam did.
Christians did NOT kill the homosexual in Seattle, Islam did.

The anger is NOT misplaced. The guilt is simply being denied by the group.

A Christian blew up the Oklahoma City federal building. Are you angry at Christians for that?
Christians have killed thousands of people in California in the past 10 years. Are you angry at Christians for that?
Christians have killed gays all over the U.S. Are you angry at Christianity for that?

Was Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a Christian?

He was a professed Agnostic.

No one is attacking Christians on this thread. Muslims are being attacked on the thread and some are pointing out they aren't all bad people that should be hated or feared.

 

[Dhara]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

Sure, they can stay...just so long as they behave themselves. They tried to push the Irving,Texas city council to give them their own little piece of the city to be under Sharia Law and it was voted down...they pissed and moaned and made threats but at the end of the day they knew that they were not in the Middle East anymore. We have guns....we are not afraid to brandish them either. It's a concealed carry in that state and good on 'em.

Please don't start with the gun brandishing. I don't want to be the next group threatened.

 

[skye]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

Sure, they can stay...just so long as they behave themselves. They tried to push the Irving,Texas city council to give them their own little piece of the city to be under Sharia Law and it was voted down...they pissed and moaned and made threats but at the end of the day they knew that they were not in the Middle East anymore. We have guns....we are not afraid to brandish them either. It's a concealed carry in that state and good on 'em.

These people will never behave....they follow their religion ....kill the infidel

They have something waiting for them.

They expect the West to lie down and take it

Surprise Surprise! It won't happen like that!

 

[Dale Smith]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

Sure, they can stay...just so long as they behave themselves. They tried to push the Irving,Texas city council to give them their own little piece of the city to be under Sharia Law and it was voted down...they pissed and moaned and made threats but at the end of the day they knew that they were not in the Middle East anymore. We have guns....we are not afraid to brandish them either. It's a concealed carry in that state and good on 'em.

Please don't start with the gun brandishing. I don't want to be the next group threatened.

I simply implied that we are not going to put up with their shit like they have in Europe and believe me, they are regretting opening up their borders to them in an "all skate".

 

[Dhara]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

Sure, they can stay...just so long as they behave themselves. They tried to push the Irving,Texas city council to give them their own little piece of the city to be under Sharia Law and it was voted down...they pissed and moaned and made threats but at the end of the day they knew that they were not in the Middle East anymore. We have guns....we are not afraid to brandish them either. It's a concealed carry in that state and good on 'em.

Please don't start with the gun brandishing. I don't want to be the next group threatened.

I simply implied that we are not going to put up with their shit like they have in Europe and believe me, they are regretting opening up their borders to them in an "all skate".

People are naturally scared and angry. The rhetoric is volatile.

We are better than that. We are Americans, not fascists.

 

[Dhara]

Christians have been beheading large numbers of men and women just south of the border...I'm wondering if a beheading by a non-Muslim is somehow less of an atrocity than a beheading by a Muslim. Or, if a person killed by gun violence is less of an atrocity than a person beheaded. Some how, we focus on beheading as worse, even while certain parts of our society are contemplating returning to frying people in the electric chair.

Dead is dead. Why does it matter if it's a beheading?

It matters symbolically if you're making a case that one religion, (Christianity), is not a threat and one religion, (Islam today, Judaism or Buddhism tomorrow), is a threat.

Too bad, Unless we outlaw Islam in America, we have freedom of religion. Muslims get to stay.

Sure, they can stay...just so long as they behave themselves. They tried to push the Irving,Texas city council to give them their own little piece of the city to be under Sharia Law and it was voted down...they pissed and moaned and made threats but at the end of the day they knew that they were not in the Middle East anymore. We have guns....we are not afraid to brandish them either. It's a concealed carry in that state and good on 'em.

These people will never behave....they follow their religion ....kill the infidel

They have something waiting for them.

They expect the West to lie down and take it

Surprise Surprise! It won't happen like that!

Who's next on your "these people" have something waiting for them threat?

Who else is on your hit list? Jews? Buddhists? Gays?