Islam is misunderstood.

[JoeB131]

who was "cool" with Yazidis??? -----Yazidis are ESSENTIALLY LEFT OVER ZOROASTRIANS-----
they were subjected to GENOCIDE IN IRAQ---------when the muslims invaded. Old Baghdad
was a DIVERSE CITY------Christians, Jews and ZOROASTRIANS---------when islam got there ---DHIMMIA
KICKED IN FOR ALL THREE-------and the communities were PROGRESSIVELY DECIMATED.
"HAPPY PEACE" ???? ------have you ever had a conversation with any Jews, Christians or Zoroastrians
with family background in BAGHDAD? Mumbai (the erstwhile Bombay) is chock full of
escapees ----ie people who sailed from Iraq and Iran to BOMBAY ---to escape ISLAM. centuries ago.
It is an interesting history. You CAN learn lots from the REMNANTS of decimated communities

Good point.

I wish I could have a conversation like that with a worshipper of Odin, or Zeus, or Quezacoatl, or Mithras.

But the Christians wiped them all out.

 

[irosie91]

who was "cool" with Yazidis??? -----Yazidis are ESSENTIALLY LEFT OVER ZOROASTRIANS-----
they were subjected to GENOCIDE IN IRAQ---------when the muslims invaded. Old Baghdad
was a DIVERSE CITY------Christians, Jews and ZOROASTRIANS---------when islam got there ---DHIMMIA
KICKED IN FOR ALL THREE-------and the communities were PROGRESSIVELY DECIMATED.
"HAPPY PEACE" ???? ------have you ever had a conversation with any Jews, Christians or Zoroastrians
with family background in BAGHDAD? Mumbai (the erstwhile Bombay) is chock full of
escapees ----ie people who sailed from Iraq and Iran to BOMBAY ---to escape ISLAM. centuries ago.
It is an interesting history. You CAN learn lots from the REMNANTS of decimated communities

Good point.

I wish I could have a conversation like that with a worshipper of Odin, or Zeus, or Quezacoatl, or Mithras.

But the Christians wiped them all out.

true-----Christians did not want them and muslims did not want them. Hindus saved a whole lot
of history--------including jews UNTIL ISLAM GOT THERE. At one time there were Jews THRUOUT
INDIA and even in AFGHANISTAN (which was Buddhist until islam got there) There were also jewish
escapes from islam in Indonesia------until islam got to Indonesia. Muslims also decimated the HINDU
population and Buddhist population and Christian population in Indonesia PROGRESSVILY AND COUNTING

 

[JoeB131]

true-----Christians did not want them and muslims did not want them. Hindus saved a whole lot
of history--------including jews UNTIL ISLAM GOT THERE. At one time there were Jews THRUOUT
INDIA and even in AFGHANISTAN (which was Buddhist until islam got there) There were also jewish
escapes from islam in Indonesia------until islam got to Indonesia. Muslims also decimated the HINDU
population and Buddhist population and Christian population in Indonesia PROGRESSVILY AND COUNTING

Okay, now you are frothing....

 

[irosie91]

true-----Christians did not want them and muslims did not want them. Hindus saved a whole lot
of history--------including jews UNTIL ISLAM GOT THERE. At one time there were Jews THRUOUT
INDIA and even in AFGHANISTAN (which was Buddhist until islam got there) There were also jewish
escapes from islam in Indonesia------until islam got to Indonesia. Muslims also decimated the HINDU
population and Buddhist population and Christian population in Indonesia PROGRESSVILY AND COUNTING

Okay, now you are frothing....

I never froth-----is there something I wrote that you wish to dispute? Anything you wish to
add?

 

[Uncensored2008]

In the past century there have been more acts of aggression by Christian nations against Muslim nations, than the other way around.

What "christian" nations, Comrade?

I know of zero Christian theocracies like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, ad infintium.

You are just using logical fallacy to justify bad acts of those you prefer.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In the past century there have been more acts of aggression by Christian nations against Muslim nations, than the other way around.

world wars don't count, it wasnst about religion in those you dumbfuck

In fact, Islam was a major player in the first world war and an active participant in the second.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The truth is in post #3. You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind, as the saying goes.

In post #3 you wrote something that has zero fact.

 

[JoeB131]

I never froth-----is there something I wrote that you wish to dispute? Anything you wish to
add?

Naw, I'll just let you stew in your own crazy for the locked in flavor

 

[Lastamender]

The point of this thread is another religious fantasy is killing people, it is called Islam. And it tells you what it is obligated to do. Refusing to see that is willful ignorance.

Zionism isn't a religious fantasy that is killing people?

You don't stick your hand in a hornet's nest and then get to complain about getting stung, buddy.

to what "obscure verse in the Koran" do you refer, joe?

Whichever one the racists started this thread with. I didn't care enough to bother reading them.

Unless Islam is understood as an ideological virus that seeks to destroy all other ideologies, it is not understood for what it is.

The useful idiots here don't WANT to know anything about it. All they know is that they are required to defend it.

Here's the thing. Islam has been around for 1400 years and they STILL haven't gotten around to destroying all other idealogies.

In fact, inside the Islamic World, you can still find Zoroastrians, Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Mandeans, Bahai and other non-Islamic faiths that usually live in peace until some idiot with a couple of armored divisions pops buy and upsets all the apple carts.

As opposed to Christianity, which has not only destroyed all pagan religions in its sphere of influence, but also managed for centuries to wipe out heretical movements like the Macronians, Arians, Monophysites, Hussite, Albigensian.

But just remember, kiddies, THEY are the bad ones. So shut up while we send your kid off to get PTSD so we can save the oil. I mean the women. Yes, the women. Who are standing on top of all that oil.

This about what Islam says and does. If you cannot stay on topic, why are you here?

 

[irosie91]

The point of this thread is another religious fantasy is killing people, it is called Islam. And it tells you what it is obligated to do. Refusing to see that is willful ignorance.

Zionism isn't a religious fantasy that is killing people?

You don't stick your hand in a hornet's nest and then get to complain about getting stung, buddy.

to what "obscure verse in the Koran" do you refer, joe?

Whichever one the racists started this thread with. I didn't care enough to bother reading them.

Unless Islam is understood as an ideological virus that seeks to destroy all other ideologies, it is not understood for what it is.

The useful idiots here don't WANT to know anything about it. All they know is that they are required to defend it.

Here's the thing. Islam has been around for 1400 years and they STILL haven't gotten around to destroying all other idealogies.

In fact, inside the Islamic World, you can still find Zoroastrians, Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Mandeans, Bahai and other non-Islamic faiths that usually live in peace until some idiot with a couple of armored divisions pops buy and upsets all the apple carts.

As opposed to Christianity, which has not only destroyed all pagan religions in its sphere of influence, but also managed for centuries to wipe out heretical movements like the Macronians, Arians, Monophysites, Hussite, Albigensian.

But just remember, kiddies, THEY are the bad ones. So shut up while we send your kid off to get PTSD so we can save the oil. I mean the women. Yes, the women. Who are standing on top of all that oil.

This about what Islam says and does. If you cannot stay on topic, why are you here?

our dear Joe is FREE to express himself------THIS IS AMERICAL on line

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Missed Under Stood "

* Screwing The Lid On Tight *

Torahnism is a genetic religion for preservation of the patriarchal lineage of eponymous isaac , where the tenets , cultural traditions and city state laws ( 613 mitzvot ) , as proposed in the torah , would only apply within israel .

Qurayshism is a genetic religion for preservation of the patriarchal lineage of eponymous ishmael, where the tenets , cultural traditions and city state laws ( sharia ) , as proposed in the qurayn , would only apply within hejaz .

Any pretense that qurayshism applies outside of hejaz is debase and termed fictional ishmaelism .

Surah 8:75 - And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of God. Indeed, God is Knowing of all things.

Umayyad Caliphate - Wikipedia
The Umayyad caliphate was marked both by territorial expansion and by the administrative and cultural problems that such expansion created. Despite some notable exceptions, the Umayyads tended to favor the rights of the old Arab families, and in particular their own, over those of newly converted Muslims (mawali). Therefore, they held to a less universalist conception of Islam than did many of their rivals. As G.R. Hawting has written, "Islam was in fact regarded as the property of the conquering aristocracy."[74]

Abbasid Revolution - Wikipedia...
The Umayyad state is remembered as an Arab-centric state, being run by and for the benefit of those who were ethnically Arab though Muslim in creed.[11][30] The non-Arab Muslims resented their marginal social position and were easily drawn into Abbasid opposition to Umayyad rule.[13][14][26] Arabs dominated the bureaucracy and military, and were housed in fortresses separate from the local population outside of Arabia.[5] Even after converting to Islam, non-Arabs or Mawali could not live in these garrison cities. The non-Arabs were not allowed to work for the government nor could they hold officer positions in the Umayyad military and they still had to pay the jizya tax for non-Muslims.[30][31][32][33] Non-Muslims under Umayyad rule were subject to these same injunctions.[34] Racial intermarriage between Arabs and non Arabs was rare.[6] When it did occur, it was only allowed between an Arab man and a non-Arab woman while non-Arab men were generally not free to marry Arab women.[7]

Conversion to Islam occurred gradually. If a non-Arab wished to convert to Islam, they not only had to give up their own names but also had to remain a second-class citizen.[12][32] The non-Arab would be "adopted" by an Arab tribe,[33] though they would not actually adopt the tribe's name as that would risk pollution of perceived Arab racial purity. Rather, the non-Arab would take the last name of "freedman of al-(tribe's name)", even if they were not a slave prior to conversion. This essentially meant they were subservient to the tribe who sponsored their conversion.[12][35]

 

[irosie91]

" Missed Under Stood "

* Screwing The Lid On Tight *

Torahnism is a genetic religion for preservation of the patriarchal lineage of eponymous isaac , where the tenets , cultural traditions and city state laws ( 613 mitzvot ) , as proposed in the torah , would only apply within israel .

Qurayshism is a genetic religion for preservation of the patriarchal lineage of eponymous ishmael, where the tenets , cultural traditions and city state laws ( sharia ) , as proposed in the qurayn , would only apply within hejaz .

Any pretense that qurayshism applies outside of hejaz is debase and termed fictional ishmaelism .

Surah 8:75 - And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of God. Indeed, God is Knowing of all things.

Umayyad Caliphate - Wikipedia
The Umayyad caliphate was marked both by territorial expansion and by the administrative and cultural problems that such expansion created. Despite some notable exceptions, the Umayyads tended to favor the rights of the old Arab families, and in particular their own, over those of newly converted Muslims (mawali). Therefore, they held to a less universalist conception of Islam than did many of their rivals. As G.R. Hawting has written, "Islam was in fact regarded as the property of the conquering aristocracy."[74]

Abbasid Revolution - Wikipedia...
The Umayyad state is remembered as an Arab-centric state, being run by and for the benefit of those who were ethnically Arab though Muslim in creed.[11][30] The non-Arab Muslims resented their marginal social position and were easily drawn into Abbasid opposition to Umayyad rule.[13][14][26] Arabs dominated the bureaucracy and military, and were housed in fortresses separate from the local population outside of Arabia.[5] Even after converting to Islam, non-Arabs or Mawali could not live in these garrison cities. The non-Arabs were not allowed to work for the government nor could they hold officer positions in the Umayyad military and they still had to pay the jizya tax for non-Muslims.[30][31][32][33] Non-Muslims under Umayyad rule were subject to these same injunctions.[34] Racial intermarriage between Arabs and non Arabs was rare.[6] When it did occur, it was only allowed between an Arab man and a non-Arab woman while non-Arab men were generally not free to marry Arab women.[7]

Conversion to Islam occurred gradually. If a non-Arab wished to convert to Islam, they not only had to give up their own names but also had to remain a second-class citizen.[12][32] The non-Arab would be "adopted" by an Arab tribe,[33] though they would not actually adopt the tribe's name as that would risk pollution of perceived Arab racial purity. Rather, the non-Arab would take the last name of "freedman of al-(tribe's name)", even if they were not a slave prior to conversion. This essentially meant they were subservient to the tribe who sponsored their conversion.[12][35]

eyeball----are you a sociologist or anthropologist by profession?

 

[JoeB131]

This about what Islam says and does. If you cannot stay on topic, why are you here?

Again, your ignorance of the Islamic Religion isn't the issue here.

 

[irosie91]

This about what Islam says and does. If you cannot stay on topic, why are you here?

Again, your ignorance of the Islamic Religion isn't the issue here.

Joe sweetums------what had Lastmender said about islam that leads you to insist
that he is ignorant of that religion?

 

[JoeB131]

Joe sweetums------what had Lastmender said about islam that leads you to insist
that he is ignorant of that religion?

That he's an ignorant bigot like you are.

 

[irosie91]

Joe sweetums------what had Lastmender said about islam that leads you to insist
that he is ignorant of that religion?

That he's an ignorant bigot like you are.

I checked ----nowhere can I find a lastmender post saying "I am an ignorant bigot like rosie"
Please try again, Joe dear, You are embarrassing yourself

 

[JoeB131]

I checked ----nowhere can I find a lastmender post saying "I am an ignorant bigot like rosie"
Please try again, Joe dear, You are embarrassing yourself

You two knuckleheads expose your ignorance every time you get on a keyboard.

 

[irosie91]

I checked ----nowhere can I find a lastmender post saying "I am an ignorant bigot like rosie"
Please try again, Joe dear, You are embarrassing yourself

You two knuckleheads expose your ignorance every time you get on a keyboard.

you continued to babble, Joe, sweetie. try to cite an example

 

[JoeB131]

you continued to babble, Joe, sweetie. try to cite an example

Are you some kind of retard? Did the Short Bus miss you this morning?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Again, your ignorance of the Islamic Religion isn't the issue here.

More important is your ignorance mixed with your abject dishonesty. The enemy of America is your friend, hence you defend and support Islam.