Is this police harrassment?

[JustAnotherNut]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

Depends entirely on the local and state laws in effect at the time this was done.

 

[Hossfly]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

What a putz the guy is.

 

[Weatherman2020]

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Depends on the state but you can get arrested for that in some states.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Depends on the state but you can get arrested for that in some states.

Have to catch you doing it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The guy flunked the attitude test. First answer the questions, and when asked for your ID explain where it is, and slowly produce it. Failure to produce an ID in CA provides PC (probable cause) to detain a subject.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

Depends entirely on the local and state laws in effect at the time this was done.

ok, I can see where that would possibly make some difference in this particular case......but he's still refusing to comply with the officer, regardless of the reasons

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah, you can't be arrested for not giving your name to cops. Unless they are arresting you.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

Depends entirely on the local and state laws in effect at the time this was done.

ok, I can see where that would possibly make some difference in this particular case......but he's still refusing to comply with the officer, regardless of the reasons

You cannot refuse to comply with a police officer request it will get you some trouble 99% of the time.

 

[koshergrl]

And they can't arrest you or cite you for not giving your name to them.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

In this type of case, I would think the nosy neighbor would be the one in trouble for invasion of privacy

 

[Juan de Fuca]

And they can't arrest you or cite you for not giving your name to them.

Depends on the state, my state you are not required but others you are required to comply.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yeah, you can't be arrested for not giving your name to cops. Unless they are arresting you.

Reasonable suspicion.

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the conviction of Larry Dudley Hiibel.

Hiibel had violated a Nevada statute that requires persons temporarily detained on "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity to identify themselves to a police officer.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

In this type of case, I would think the nosy neighbor would be the one in trouble for invasion of privacy

Shooting it down isn't a solution.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

Depends entirely on the local and state laws in effect at the time this was done.

ok, I can see where that would possibly make some difference in this particular case......but he's still refusing to comply with the officer, regardless of the reasons

You cannot refuse to comply with a police officer request it will get you some trouble 99% of the time.

exactly......and the guy was being an ass about the whole thing to boot.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Stop and identify statutes: Stop and identify statutes - Wikipedia

 

[koshergrl]

And they can't arrest you or cite you for not giving your name to them.

Depends on the state, my state you are not required but others you are required to comply.

No, you aren't. Police do not have the authority to arrest you because you don't give them your name. They do it all the time, but it's unconstitutional, and therefore, illegal.

Now if they are arresting you, or giving you a ticket, that is different.

But they can't just demand that you identify yourself because they want to know who you are, and then arrest you if you refuse. Or at least..they aren't supposed to.

We all know they do whatever the fuck they want. But if they actually upheld the law, they would not do that.

 

[koshergrl]

Or an antagonistic guy with an axe to grind?

Spoiler......this guy is pulled over because he was flying his drone over Marshall Farms who is known to raise & sell animals for research purposes. The guy admits he is from 'Treating Animals with Respect & Kindness' & the Shark Team as he introduces himself to the viewer. The cop asks for ID and the guy refuses and this continues on until the cops attempt to take him into custody.



Personally I see it that the guy was in the wrong for several reasons.....

1. He has an axe to grind against the Facility & was snooping into their goings on.
2. He refuses the cops request for ID
3. Then as the video goes on, continues to be antagonistic toward the cops.

As for the cop, I see him as only following up on a complaint from the Farm, that this guy was snooping where he didn't belong.

What do you think?

Depends entirely on the local and state laws in effect at the time this was done.

ok, I can see where that would possibly make some difference in this particular case......but he's still refusing to comply with the officer, regardless of the reasons

You cannot refuse to comply with a police officer request it will get you some trouble 99% of the time.

exactly......and the guy was being an ass about the whole thing to boot.

Show me the law that states it's illegal to be rude to a cop.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

And they can't arrest you or cite you for not giving your name to them.

Depends on the state, my state you are not required but others you are required to comply.

No, you aren't. Police do not have the authority to arrest you because you don't give them your name. They do it all the time, but it's unconstitutional, and therefore, illegal.

Now if they are arresting you, or giving you a ticket, that is different.

But they can't just demand that you identify yourself because they want to know who you are, and then arrest you if you refuse. Or at least..they aren't supposed to.

We all know they do whatever the fuck they want. But if they actually upheld the law, they would not do that.

Check post 17.