Is This Evidence For Satan?

[cnm]

How could all the statements made by these different scientists all contradict what is written in the Bible?

Um...the bible is a Bronze Age load of wank?

 

[cnm]

Birds were created to rapidly spread the seed and pollen for animals food. They are land animals. They have to have a lansdcaped area to survive, eat, rest, nest and fresh water as well.

 

[Taz]

I never said god was evil, I said there's no real proof that he exists. And I just can't understand how such a good god would allow deformed and retarded babies to happen.

. Man, do I have to explain every little detail to you? The Bible exists, bird brain. It was written by various people in different lines of work during ancient times. Evolution was written by various secular scientists in different lines of work during modern times. How could all the statements made by these different scientists all contradict what is written in the Bible?

Like I said, there must be a troll level somewhere for you.

So what scientific proof is there that everything happened like that jpg says?

Science backs up the Bible.

He has Photoshop?

Doesn't need it, bird brain.

Link me to science backing up the bible.

 

[BreezeWood]

He came back and insisted, "BIRDS ARE DINOSAURS!" and went on to rant. There was no contradicting him, so I just ignored until he left.

Oh, you contradicted.

The present scientific consensus is that birds are a group of theropod dinosaurs that originated during the Mesozoic Era.
Origin of birds - Wikipedia​

No, you contradicted. God wrote Genesis in ancient times. He created birds on the 5th day and land animals such as the dinosaur on the 6th day.

No secular scientist would read the Bible and say I'm going to contradict what it says. And this happened thousands of years later. It's Satan's rebellious character to contradict the word of God. He has done it for everything in Genesis and more.

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He created birds on the 5th day and land animals such as the dinosaur on the 6th day.

and what was on their menu for dinner, they ate themselves ...

satan is dead, that's why the Almighty is what they are the bulwark against evil and why those that free their spirits do so by triumphing against the same for admission to the Everlasting - if anything keeps satan in the news it is your 10000 page forged christian bible.

 

[mudwhistle]

How could all the statements made by these different scientists all contradict what is written in the Bible?

Um...the bible is a Bronze Age load of wank?

That's the Devil talking.

 

[Crepitus]

Sorry, this is a long post, but it's something that happened on USMB and triggered a revelation. It is not a popular subject -- Satan. I am not afraid of Satan, but he is quite a powerful being. In the Bible, he is "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

IIRC, it happened in the thread "Atheists want proof of God?" There was a person, whom I think was an evolutionist, who exclaimed birds came from dinosaurs. I said that I didn't think little, tiny birds evolved from great, big, gigantic dinosaurs and that Oregon State University research showed that a bird's lung development was different from a dinosaur's, i.e. a bird would not be able to breathe and fly if they had lungs like dinosaurs. He came back and insisted, "BIRDS ARE DINOSAURS!" and went on to rant. There was no contradicting him, so I just ignored until he left.

Later, I looked at my six days of creation chart and saw that birds were created on the 4th day while land animals were created on the 5th. It dawned on me that whatever atheists/evolutionists believe contradicts what God stated in the first two books of Genesis.

Isn't this evidence for Satan? First, Satan doesn't want you to believe he exists, so people usually do not ask for proof of Satan nor does anyone even bring him up for discussion. Non-believers want proof of God when there isn't any proof for an unprovable God. When you end up discussing God with them, you find they usually blame God for something such as evil in the OT or why does he allow babies to suffer? Whatever evidence you present is not good enough. One atheist said if he opened the ground in front of him and gave him a brand new car of his choice, then he'll believe. Um... it takes faith... but you do not even get to that point with these people. Believers know why these miracles are not convincing nor life changing.

What I am getting at using in regards to Satan that he exists... because we have God created the heavens and Earth from nothing, but evolutionary thinking says it was the big bang which caused it from nothing. Before that it was the eternal universe. God created Adam and Eve as adult humans and animals as adult animals. Instead, the naysayers say, no, we had the egg before the chicken and abiogenesis, so this is how life came into existence and evolved. And so on. It turned out that everything I could think of between creation and atheist/evolutionary beliefs contradicted each other. All of these debates have come down throughout the centuries, so there could be no collaboration as to what the people who came up with the atheist/evolutionary hypothesis wrote. These writers were in different fields of work and it was written at different times. It wasn't put together in a book like the Bible, but if it was, then it was as if Satan had wrote an antiGenesis.

These contradictions goes beyond that, too. It isn't just evolution, but moral values such as not killing a fetus vs. abortion and a woman's rights, homosexuality vs. man and woman marriage, and even how the world is going to end -- global fire vs. AGW or a huge asteroid hits the earth causing a catastrophic chain reaction. It turns out that everything that God stated in the Bible is contradicted by Satan. Maybe that's just his rebellious nature and he can't help himself.

Thus, when you add all the contradictions up, is this evidence for Satan? Does this convince you that Satan is causing it? Bad stuff usually does not happen by coincidence.

Here are some things that are opposite off the top of my head.

GOD >>>>> SATAN
Said it first in the Bible over 1500 years (can not change) >>>>> Said it throughout the years (hypothesis and theories can change)
Universe >>>>> Multiverse
Creation ex nihilo (supernatural creation in 6 days) >>>>> Universe ex nihilo, i.e. big bang (defies laws of physics, infinite temperature and density, all is set up in 20 mins); Before this, it was eternal universe
6,000 yrs old Earth and universe >>>>> 4.5 B yrs old Earth and 13.7 B yrs old universe
Created Adam and Eve >>>>> Humans evolved from monkeys
Created birds 4th day; dinosaurs 5th day >>>>> birds evolved from dinosaurs
Clear explanation of how universe and Earth formed and science backs it up >>>>> Wild hypothesis of infinitely hot and dense unseen particle called singularity; Some event called big bang triggered a cosmic expansion in microseconds that formed the basis for our universe; not clear explanation of what happened
Life can only create life >>>>> Life forms through abiogenesis (based on spontaneous generation that was proven false by creation scientist Dr. Louis Pasteur)
Started with void >>>>> Started with infinitely hot and dense unseen quantum particle
God is timeless and spaceless >>>>> Quantum particles pop in and out of existence
God is light, i.e. EMS or light >>>>> Things happen through dark energy, dark matter
Universe is bounded and has a center >>>>> Universe is boundless and does not have a center
Earth is special >>>>> There is nothing special about the Earth
Heaven (upward direction) >>>>> Hell (downward direction)

Sorry for the poor formatting.

Here's a nice scholarly article on the evolution of birds from dinosaurs.

The origin of birds

Toss out the "creation chart", it's garbage.

And if you really need a chart to remember 7 days you may have trouble with the Berkeley paper I linked.

 

[Crepitus]

I think birds ARE land animals. Who made that chart?

God.

God speaks in jpegs?

 

[bullwinkle]

He came back and insisted, "BIRDS ARE DINOSAURS!" and went on to rant. There was no contradicting him, so I just ignored until he left.

Oh, you contradicted.

The present scientific consensus is that birds are a group of theropod dinosaurs that originated during the Mesozoic Era.
Origin of birds - Wikipedia​

No, you contradicted. God wrote Genesis in ancient times. He created birds on the 5th day and land animals such as the dinosaur on the 6th day.

No secular scientist would read the Bible and say I'm going to contradict what it says. And this happened thousands of years later. It's Satan's rebellious character to contradict the word of God. He has done it for everything in Genesis and more.

The catch is we don't know God's definition of 'day'. Ex: We old folks are quick to say..'in MY day', meaning a period of our lives that includes a whole phase such as adult middle age. And we say that OJ had his 'day' in court, which lasted as long as it took to complete a trial. You get the idea. A 'day' is an indefinite period of time it takes to complete any task. So if God separated the waters over millennia and called it a day, or built birds and fish and dinosaurs cell by cell over eons and modified along the way and called it a day, amen, so be it.

 

[Third Party]

Later, I looked at my six days of creation chart and saw that birds were created on the 4th day while land animals were created on the 5th.

I think birds ARE land animals. Who made that chart?

General Mills-I think it was on the back of a box of Cheerios.

 

[cnm]

That's the Devil talking.

One of YHWH's creations, Shirley?

 

[james bond]

I never said god was evil, I said there's no real proof that he exists.

This has been explained to you many times, the Bible says 'God' is our Father and creator.and 'god' is god of the world and prince of the power the air or Satan.

You and the non-believers write 'god' as God is just one of many gods. This is another contradiction. How do these things just keep happening? It is evidence for Satan.

You've blamed God for many things, but never Satan. Evil was caused by sin and Lucifer created sin. The Bible says this. Now what are you going to write to contradict this? Or are you going to agree like a good little boy?

So what scientific proof is there that everything happened like that jpg says?

The first day God created the electromagnetic spectrum or EMS. How did that just happen? Do you have the science to know what it is and how it forms?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. you just claim science, but don't know anything about it. Ignorance is bliss, but it must hurt to have a pea brain and people just treating you like fartsmoke.

 

[james bond]

Raving loony says...

You didn't finish your sentence.

You cannot explain, so it quickly goes to ad hominem attacks. This is a sign of a puny mind and worthless person who just spews assertions and cannot formulate a single argument.

 

[james bond]

Sorry, this is a long post, but it's something that happened on USMB and triggered a revelation. It is not a popular subject -- Satan. I am not afraid of Satan, but he is quite a powerful being. In the Bible, he is "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

IIRC, it happened in the thread "Atheists want proof of God?" There was a person, whom I think was an evolutionist, who exclaimed birds came from dinosaurs. I said that I didn't think little, tiny birds evolved from great, big, gigantic dinosaurs and that Oregon State University research showed that a bird's lung development was different from a dinosaur's, i.e. a bird would not be able to breathe and fly if they had lungs like dinosaurs. He came back and insisted, "BIRDS ARE DINOSAURS!" and went on to rant. There was no contradicting him, so I just ignored until he left.

Later, I looked at my six days of creation chart and saw that birds were created on the 4th day while land animals were created on the 5th. It dawned on me that whatever atheists/evolutionists believe contradicts what God stated in the first two books of Genesis.

Isn't this evidence for Satan? First, Satan doesn't want you to believe he exists, so people usually do not ask for proof of Satan nor does anyone even bring him up for discussion. Non-believers want proof of God when there isn't any proof for an unprovable God. When you end up discussing God with them, you find they usually blame God for something such as evil in the OT or why does he allow babies to suffer? Whatever evidence you present is not good enough. One atheist said if he opened the ground in front of him and gave him a brand new car of his choice, then he'll believe. Um... it takes faith... but you do not even get to that point with these people. Believers know why these miracles are not convincing nor life changing.

What I am getting at using in regards to Satan that he exists... because we have God created the heavens and Earth from nothing, but evolutionary thinking says it was the big bang which caused it from nothing. Before that it was the eternal universe. God created Adam and Eve as adult humans and animals as adult animals. Instead, the naysayers say, no, we had the egg before the chicken and abiogenesis, so this is how life came into existence and evolved. And so on. It turned out that everything I could think of between creation and atheist/evolutionary beliefs contradicted each other. All of these debates have come down throughout the centuries, so there could be no collaboration as to what the people who came up with the atheist/evolutionary hypothesis wrote. These writers were in different fields of work and it was written at different times. It wasn't put together in a book like the Bible, but if it was, then it was as if Satan had wrote an antiGenesis.

These contradictions goes beyond that, too. It isn't just evolution, but moral values such as not killing a fetus vs. abortion and a woman's rights, homosexuality vs. man and woman marriage, and even how the world is going to end -- global fire vs. AGW or a huge asteroid hits the earth causing a catastrophic chain reaction. It turns out that everything that God stated in the Bible is contradicted by Satan. Maybe that's just his rebellious nature and he can't help himself.

Thus, when you add all the contradictions up, is this evidence for Satan? Does this convince you that Satan is causing it? Bad stuff usually does not happen by coincidence.

Here are some things that are opposite off the top of my head.

GOD >>>>> SATAN
Said it first in the Bible over 1500 years (can not change) >>>>> Said it throughout the years (hypothesis and theories can change)
Universe >>>>> Multiverse
Creation ex nihilo (supernatural creation in 6 days) >>>>> Universe ex nihilo, i.e. big bang (defies laws of physics, infinite temperature and density, all is set up in 20 mins); Before this, it was eternal universe
6,000 yrs old Earth and universe >>>>> 4.5 B yrs old Earth and 13.7 B yrs old universe
Created Adam and Eve >>>>> Humans evolved from monkeys
Created birds 4th day; dinosaurs 5th day >>>>> birds evolved from dinosaurs
Clear explanation of how universe and Earth formed and science backs it up >>>>> Wild hypothesis of infinitely hot and dense unseen particle called singularity; Some event called big bang triggered a cosmic expansion in microseconds that formed the basis for our universe; not clear explanation of what happened
Life can only create life >>>>> Life forms through abiogenesis (based on spontaneous generation that was proven false by creation scientist Dr. Louis Pasteur)
Started with void >>>>> Started with infinitely hot and dense unseen quantum particle
God is timeless and spaceless >>>>> Quantum particles pop in and out of existence
God is light, i.e. EMS or light >>>>> Things happen through dark energy, dark matter
Universe is bounded and has a center >>>>> Universe is boundless and does not have a center
Earth is special >>>>> There is nothing special about the Earth
Heaven (upward direction) >>>>> Hell (downward direction)

Sorry for the poor formatting.

Here's a nice scholarly article on the evolution of birds from dinosaurs.

The origin of birds

Toss out the "creation chart", it's garbage.

And if you really need a chart to remember 7 days you may have trouble with the Berkeley paper I linked.

Thanks for backing up the existence of Satan.

Are you going to formulate an argument for how theoropods became birds from your link? They're such large land animans while birds are generally small animals. Where are the transitional fossils? Why do dinosaur fossils still have soft tissues in them? Why do they radiocarbon date to 40,000 years?

 

[james bond]

I think birds ARE land animals. Who made that chart?

Which birds are you referring to? Let's look at your question? We do have natural selection or variations within a species. Is this the one area where there is no contradiction?

 

[james bond]

Birds were created to rapidly spread the seed and pollen for animals food. They are land animals.

"And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day." Genesis 1:20-22

I'm sure you know what happened the 6th day which was land animals. How do you make the distinction?

 

[james bond]

Link me to science backing up the bible.

Let's discuss the evidence for Satan and the troll level after that.

 

[james bond]

The Story of Lucifer- How Did He Fall and Become Satan? National Geographic | History Documentary

 

[BreezeWood]

Let's discuss the evidence ...

what's for dinner bond -

did they run or fly first ...

 

[james bond]

Let's discuss the evidence ...

what's for dinner bond -

View attachment 276856

did they run or fly first ...

It's your evidence. Why can't you explain?

 

[bullwinkle]

I think birds ARE land animals. Who made that chart?

Which birds are you referring to? Let's look at your question? We do have natural selection or variations within a species. Is this the one area where there is no contradiction?

James, forget the word twisting. Birds.. feathered winged creatures from small hummingbirds to giant condors. They do not live in or on water..period.