Is There Scientific Evidence Supporting the Floor of Noah?

[Indeependent]

Ohhhh...I see. You’re one of those ‘earth is 6000 years old’ fellas. Well I have debated your ilk before, so I’ll just bow out now. You can’t debate just plain stoopit.

So what makes GOD stupid? And it is possible that the age of the earth is off by a few thousand years perhaps, but not 100's of millions and billions. This is simply a ridicules attempt to replace THE CREATOR of all things with enough T I M E.

God is stupid. He made plants before sunlight.

Which Genesis story did you read? The very first thing G-d created was light. Vegetation was created on Day 3.

Actually, Dark (Choshek) was created first and it enveloped Light (Or).

He created the heavens and the earth ... they were dark, so he lit them. The say way we created VR worlds in Blender.

Read the verse...light was enveloped by darkness.
Light always has to emerge from darkness.
We also don’t really concretely know what shemayim and eretz are.

 

[progressive hunter]

Heat and pressure will cause rock to not only bend but liquify.

The most basic earth sciences are not a part of the curriculum at your ID’iot creation madrassah, right?

Trust me Hollie, you don’t want to engage with folks who start talking about the “young earth “. They have no regard for scientific data. They are relatively harmless, but endlessly frustrating.

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but you think we came from a rock,,,

so who is the real nutjob??

When did I say I think we came from a rock? For the record, I don’t believe man came from rocks.

so you dont believe in evolution???

Evolution does not claim man came from rocks. Where do you people get these ideas? Do I believe there is evidence that species transform over very long periods of time? Absolutely.

you might believe there is evidence, but I know you cant provide any,,,

 

[alang1216]

How exactly did the rock layer bend? Was it the flood waters or the continents scooting all over the place?

It was chemistry from the sediments and water as the rock layer formed and the water and land pressure bent the layer while it hardened.

Once it hardened under water, there is no way to soften it and bend it again like unbaking a cake. The concrete will break.

Not sure what 'land pressure' is but please don't bother to explain, it would just make my head hurt.

As to 'there is no way to soften it and bend it', don't you think that lava is softened rock? Ever watch glass being blown? Once heated enough the solid glass flows easily.

 

[fncceo]

the primordial soup is the base/beginning of evolution

You're fond of rock soup?

Have any teeth left?

 

[progressive hunter]

How exactly did the rock layer bend? Was it the flood waters or the continents scooting all over the place?

It was chemistry from the sediments and water as the rock layer formed and the water and land pressure bent the layer while it hardened.

Once it hardened under water, there is no way to soften it and bend it again like unbaking a cake. The concrete will break.

Not sure what 'land pressure' is but please don't bother to explain, it would just make my head hurt.

As to 'there is no way to soften it and bend it', don't you think that lava is softened rock? Ever watch glass being blown? Once heated enough the solid glass flows easily.

but heat would leave a sign, and there are none

 

[alang1216]

but you think we came from a rock,,,

so who is the real nutjob??

We are still coming from rocks. Where do you think the elements that make us up come from? Weathered rock.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

We just did. Rock does not bend, but we find it bent all around the world. It also goes to show that the Earth is young. Even the rocks in your head are bent.

Heat and pressure will cause rock to not only bend but liquify.

The most basic earth sciences are not a part of the curriculum at your ID’iot creation madrassah, right?

Trust me Hollie, you don’t want to engage with folks who start talking about the “young earth “. They have no regard for scientific data. They are relatively harmless, but endlessly frustrating.

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I don't think you can explain in your own words how we know how old the Earth and universe is. Yet, you believe the lie.

I don’t spend too much time contemplating the age or origin of the the earth and universe. However I do recognize overwhelming evidence (radiometric dating) that the age of the earth is measured in billions of years by very smart people who study it. In the last 100 years or so man’s knowledge has taken huge leaps. These knowledge leaps have ushered in the computer age and dispelled many old beliefs. But many people just like to believe dumb things, and there is really no harm in you thinking the earth is 6000 years old. Just like there is no harm in believing in Big Foot.

I believe there is a god, and I can believe there is a god while also believing the earth is billions of years old.

I guess you didnt know that RC dating doesnt go beyond 60K YRS

You are referring to radiocarbon dating or RC. That is not the same thing as radiometric dating. Clearly you are out of your element here, and I have been down this road with your ilk before. It always ends the same way. That is with me shaking my head that people can be so misinformed. So consider my head shook. I really don’t give a crap if you want to go through life believing in Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, big foot, or earth is 6000 years old.

 

[OldLady]

There does seem to be overwhelming evidence that certain proofs are being systematically ignored or redefined or hidden, in order to eliminate possible "confusion".

All ancient cultures in the Mesopotamian region tell a Great Flood story.

The conclusion, there was a great flood. Just saying the term "flood" implies they are familiar with flooding.

So the question is not if there was a great flood, the question is how far did it extend? Was it global?

Obviously it wasn't or the flora and fauna would all have died. It was devastating coastal flooding and it happened at different times and at different places all over the world. Rivers flood. Seas flooded during the glacial melt after the last ice age. There were floods. It is all pretty interesting.
Evidence suggests that more recently, about 7,600 years ago, at the end of a long dry period, it was flooded when the Mediterranean, having again become separate, broke through at the Bosporus, an event that may have scattered farmers from its shores into Europe and Asia. Some scientists have hypothesized that this event happened catastrophically and is the source of the biblical story of the Deluge.
Black Sea | Encyclopedia.com

 

[rightwinger]

I’m an engineer and I stopped believing when I was 12

Well, you weren't an engineer at 12 were you? What made you stop?

I rebelled around then at Catholicism. Thought it was a guilt trip, but still believed in God. Why? It was just a feeling. Maybe we are just pre-destined that way.

I was a good Catholic boy who went to Sunday School before Mass

I reached an age where I could not tell the difference between Bible stories and Witches, fairies, astrology, mythology

They all had the same logical basis to me......our beliefs are the true ones

so you switched from a catholic religion to evolution religion,,,still a religion,,,

Most Catholics believe in evolution

Only fundamentalist Christians do not

 

[alang1216]

How exactly did the rock layer bend? Was it the flood waters or the continents scooting all over the place?

It was chemistry from the sediments and water as the rock layer formed and the water and land pressure bent the layer while it hardened.

Once it hardened under water, there is no way to soften it and bend it again like unbaking a cake. The concrete will break.

Not sure what 'land pressure' is but please don't bother to explain, it would just make my head hurt.

As to 'there is no way to soften it and bend it', don't you think that lava is softened rock? Ever watch glass being blown? Once heated enough the solid glass flows easily.

but heat would leave a sign, and there are none

Metamorphic rock

 

[Indeependent]

I’m an engineer and I stopped believing when I was 12

Well, you weren't an engineer at 12 were you? What made you stop?

I rebelled around then at Catholicism. Thought it was a guilt trip, but still believed in God. Why? It was just a feeling. Maybe we are just pre-destined that way.

I was a good Catholic boy who went to Sunday School before Mass

I reached an age where I could not tell the difference between Bible stories and Witches, fairies, astrology, mythology

They all had the same logical basis to me......our beliefs are the true ones

so you switched from a catholic religion to evolution religion,,,still a religion,,,

Most Catholics believe in evolution

Only fundamentalist Christians do not

Catholics by dint of birth or by dint of the NT?

 

[fncceo]

So what makes GOD stupid? And it is possible that the age of the earth is off by a few thousand years perhaps, but not 100's of millions and billions. This is simply a ridicules attempt to replace THE CREATOR of all things with enough T I M E.

God is stupid. He made plants before sunlight.

Which Genesis story did you read? The very first thing G-d created was light. Vegetation was created on Day 3.

Actually, Dark (Choshek) was created first and it enveloped Light (Or).

He created the heavens and the earth ... they were dark, so he lit them. The say way we created VR worlds in Blender.

Read the verse...light was enveloped by darkness.
Light always has to emerge from darkness.
We also don’t really concretely know what shemayim and eretz are.

1. In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.


2Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water.


3And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

4And God saw the light that it was good, and God separated between the light and between the darkness.

5And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night, and it was evening and it was morning, one day.

The way I read that is that G-d created the universe originally in the dark. He provided light to all corners of the universe. Then he created separate areas of light and dark.

Rashi's commentary complicates this by claiming the order of events in scripture aren't necessarily the order in which they happened.

 

[progressive hunter]

Heat and pressure will cause rock to not only bend but liquify.

The most basic earth sciences are not a part of the curriculum at your ID’iot creation madrassah, right?

Trust me Hollie, you don’t want to engage with folks who start talking about the “young earth “. They have no regard for scientific data. They are relatively harmless, but endlessly frustrating.

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I don't think you can explain in your own words how we know how old the Earth and universe is. Yet, you believe the lie.

I don’t spend too much time contemplating the age or origin of the the earth and universe. However I do recognize overwhelming evidence (radiometric dating) that the age of the earth is measured in billions of years by very smart people who study it. In the last 100 years or so man’s knowledge has taken huge leaps. These knowledge leaps have ushered in the computer age and dispelled many old beliefs. But many people just like to believe dumb things, and there is really no harm in you thinking the earth is 6000 years old. Just like there is no harm in believing in Big Foot.

I believe there is a god, and I can believe there is a god while also believing the earth is billions of years old.

I guess you didnt know that RC dating doesnt go beyond 60K YRS

You are referring to radiocarbon dating or RC. That is not the same thing as radiometric dating. Clearly you are out of your element here, and I have been down this road with your ilk before. It always ends the same way. That is with me shaking my head that people can be so misinformed. So consider my head shook. I really don’t give a crap if you want to go through life believing in Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, big foot, or earth is 6000 years old.

did you know radiometric dating was developed to get a specific result using a rubber ruler???

and when did I say I believed in any of those things???


it seems you are the one that believes in magic not me

 

[rightwinger]

There does seem to be overwhelming evidence that certain proofs are being systematically ignored or redefined or hidden, in order to eliminate possible "confusion".

All ancient cultures in the Mesopotamian region tell a Great Flood story.

The conclusion, there was a great flood. Just saying the term "flood" implies they are familiar with flooding.

So the question is not if there was a great flood, the question is how far did it extend? Was it global?

Obviously it wasn't or the flora and fauna would all have died. It was devastating coastal flooding and it happened at different times and at different places all over the world. Rivers flood. Seas flooded during the glacial melt after the last ice age. There were floods. It is all pretty interesting.
Evidence suggests that more recently, about 7,600 years ago, at the end of a long dry period, it was flooded when the Mediterranean, having again become separate, broke through at the Bosporus, an event that may have scattered farmers from its shores into Europe and Asia. Some scientists have hypothesized that this event happened catastrophically and is the source of the biblical story of the Deluge.
Black Sea | Encyclopedia.com

Noah saved the animals, he did not save plants

All vegetative matter would have been flooded with over 20,000 feet of water for months. As water receded, it would have been covered in silt and sediment

It would take generations to recover, most would not

 

[progressive hunter]

Heat and pressure will cause rock to not only bend but liquify.

The most basic earth sciences are not a part of the curriculum at your ID’iot creation madrassah, right?

Trust me Hollie, you don’t want to engage with folks who start talking about the “young earth “. They have no regard for scientific data. They are relatively harmless, but endlessly frustrating.

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I don't think you can explain in your own words how we know how old the Earth and universe is. Yet, you believe the lie.

I don’t spend too much time contemplating the age or origin of the the earth and universe. However I do recognize overwhelming evidence (radiometric dating) that the age of the earth is measured in billions of years by very smart people who study it. In the last 100 years or so man’s knowledge has taken huge leaps. These knowledge leaps have ushered in the computer age and dispelled many old beliefs. But many people just like to believe dumb things, and there is really no harm in you thinking the earth is 6000 years old. Just like there is no harm in believing in Big Foot.

I believe there is a god, and I can believe there is a god while also believing the earth is billions of years old.

I guess you didnt know that RC dating doesnt go beyond 60K YRS

You are referring to radiocarbon dating or RC. That is not the same thing as radiometric dating. Clearly you are out of your element here, and I have been down this road with your ilk before. It always ends the same way. That is with me shaking my head that people can be so misinformed. So consider my head shook. I really don’t give a crap if you want to go through life believing in Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, big foot, or earth is 6000 years old.

Scientist Realizes Important Flaw in Radioactive Dating

 

[progressive hunter]

There does seem to be overwhelming evidence that certain proofs are being systematically ignored or redefined or hidden, in order to eliminate possible "confusion".

All ancient cultures in the Mesopotamian region tell a Great Flood story.

The conclusion, there was a great flood. Just saying the term "flood" implies they are familiar with flooding.

So the question is not if there was a great flood, the question is how far did it extend? Was it global?

Obviously it wasn't or the flora and fauna would all have died. It was devastating coastal flooding and it happened at different times and at different places all over the world. Rivers flood. Seas flooded during the glacial melt after the last ice age. There were floods. It is all pretty interesting.
Evidence suggests that more recently, about 7,600 years ago, at the end of a long dry period, it was flooded when the Mediterranean, having again become separate, broke through at the Bosporus, an event that may have scattered farmers from its shores into Europe and Asia. Some scientists have hypothesized that this event happened catastrophically and is the source of the biblical story of the Deluge.
Black Sea | Encyclopedia.com

Noah saved the animals, he did not save plants

All vegetative matter would have been flooded with over 20,000 feet of water for months. As water receded, it would have been covered in silt and sediment

It would take generations to recover, most would not

how do you know all was under 20K ft of water???

 

[progressive hunter]

How exactly did the rock layer bend? Was it the flood waters or the continents scooting all over the place?

It was chemistry from the sediments and water as the rock layer formed and the water and land pressure bent the layer while it hardened.

Once it hardened under water, there is no way to soften it and bend it again like unbaking a cake. The concrete will break.

Not sure what 'land pressure' is but please don't bother to explain, it would just make my head hurt.

As to 'there is no way to soften it and bend it', don't you think that lava is softened rock? Ever watch glass being blown? Once heated enough the solid glass flows easily.

but heat would leave a sign, and there are none

Metamorphic rock

you need another source than wikipedia,,,we all know the are more than biased,,,

 

[fncceo]

Trust me Hollie, you don’t want to engage with folks who start talking about the “young earth “. They have no regard for scientific data. They are relatively harmless, but endlessly frustrating.

View attachment 264074

I don't think you can explain in your own words how we know how old the Earth and universe is. Yet, you believe the lie.

I don’t spend too much time contemplating the age or origin of the the earth and universe. However I do recognize overwhelming evidence (radiometric dating) that the age of the earth is measured in billions of years by very smart people who study it. In the last 100 years or so man’s knowledge has taken huge leaps. These knowledge leaps have ushered in the computer age and dispelled many old beliefs. But many people just like to believe dumb things, and there is really no harm in you thinking the earth is 6000 years old. Just like there is no harm in believing in Big Foot.

I believe there is a god, and I can believe there is a god while also believing the earth is billions of years old.

I guess you didnt know that RC dating doesnt go beyond 60K YRS

You are referring to radiocarbon dating or RC. That is not the same thing as radiometric dating. Clearly you are out of your element here, and I have been down this road with your ilk before. It always ends the same way. That is with me shaking my head that people can be so misinformed. So consider my head shook. I really don’t give a crap if you want to go through life believing in Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, big foot, or earth is 6000 years old.

Scientist Realizes Important Flaw in Radioactive Dating

The author of that website...

"This is the homepage of Dr. Jay L. Wile, who holds an earned PhD in nuclear chemistry. He is best known as the author of award-winning elementary, junior and senior high school science courses including the Science through HisStory (sic)"

Not sure a Junior High science teacher who can't spell "History" is an authoritative source on the subject.

 

[progressive hunter]

I’m an engineer and I stopped believing when I was 12

Well, you weren't an engineer at 12 were you? What made you stop?

I rebelled around then at Catholicism. Thought it was a guilt trip, but still believed in God. Why? It was just a feeling. Maybe we are just pre-destined that way.

I was a good Catholic boy who went to Sunday School before Mass

I reached an age where I could not tell the difference between Bible stories and Witches, fairies, astrology, mythology

They all had the same logical basis to me......our beliefs are the true ones

so you switched from a catholic religion to evolution religion,,,still a religion,,,

Most Catholics believe in evolution

Only fundamentalist Christians do not

doesnt mean evo isnt a religion,,

 

[rightwinger]

There does seem to be overwhelming evidence that certain proofs are being systematically ignored or redefined or hidden, in order to eliminate possible "confusion".

All ancient cultures in the Mesopotamian region tell a Great Flood story.

The conclusion, there was a great flood. Just saying the term "flood" implies they are familiar with flooding.

So the question is not if there was a great flood, the question is how far did it extend? Was it global?

Obviously it wasn't or the flora and fauna would all have died. It was devastating coastal flooding and it happened at different times and at different places all over the world. Rivers flood. Seas flooded during the glacial melt after the last ice age. There were floods. It is all pretty interesting.
Evidence suggests that more recently, about 7,600 years ago, at the end of a long dry period, it was flooded when the Mediterranean, having again become separate, broke through at the Bosporus, an event that may have scattered farmers from its shores into Europe and Asia. Some scientists have hypothesized that this event happened catastrophically and is the source of the biblical story of the Deluge.
Black Sea | Encyclopedia.com

Noah saved the animals, he did not save plants

All vegetative matter would have been flooded with over 20,000 feet of water for months. As water receded, it would have been covered in silt and sediment

It would take generations to recover, most would not

how do you know all was under 20K ft of water???

The flood covered the land
Mt Everest is 29,000 feet