Is There Scientific Evidence Supporting the Floor of Noah?

[alang1216]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

Such scientific hypocrisy. Your side believes that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Those prints look like fully modern human footprints. They were found in a layer too old to be humans.

I guarantee, no one who understans anything about human evolution would ever believe that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Ancestors of human, yes, but chimps are not ancestors of humans. Also, their age of 3.6 mya is far younger than the oldest human ancestors the Australopithecus who likely walked upright.

 

[progressive hunter]

the evidence is overwhelming, its just that evo's dont like the truth being told so they attack anyone who dares speak of it

I for one have never been overwhelmed. What does make me curious is that so much of Earth's history has been left out of the Bible. A good example is the fact that the Mediterranean Sea almost completely evaporated at one time so it would have been possible to walk from Egypt to Crete. Yet not a single mention in the Bible? The refilling must have been spectacular but again not a single mention.

Well, it's not a book about the history of the Earth. It's a book about the history of God's relationship with His people. There are a lot of important things that happened in the world around that time which weren't mentioned, because they weren't germane to the story being told.

I guess. It just seems God didn't think much of his early work: ignoring most events and people and not telling His people almost anything they didn't already know, only talking about himself and their relationship.

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

 

[alang1216]

I for one have never been overwhelmed. What does make me curious is that so much of Earth's history has been left out of the Bible. A good example is the fact that the Mediterranean Sea almost completely evaporated at one time so it would have been possible to walk from Egypt to Crete. Yet not a single mention in the Bible? The refilling must have been spectacular but again not a single mention.

Well, it's not a book about the history of the Earth. It's a book about the history of God's relationship with His people. There are a lot of important things that happened in the world around that time which weren't mentioned, because they weren't germane to the story being told.

I guess. It just seems God didn't think much of his early work: ignoring most events and people and not telling His people almost anything they didn't already know, only talking about himself and their relationship.

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, it's not a book about the history of the Earth. It's a book about the history of God's relationship with His people. There are a lot of important things that happened in the world around that time which weren't mentioned, because they weren't germane to the story being told.

I guess. It just seems God didn't think much of his early work: ignoring most events and people and not telling His people almost anything they didn't already know, only talking about himself and their relationship.

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

theres a difference between evidence and physical evidence,,,

one is based on opinion and the other is based on a physical thing we can see and touch,,

evo uses the former as evidence,,,

 

[WinterBorn]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

the tracks are physical evidence that have never been debunked no matter how many times you say they have,,,,

and the rock was tested by evos and confirmed authentic,,,

No one said the rock was fake. In fact, no one said any of this particular site is fake. Just that they are not human footprints. No toe marks. Some show a toe on the side, suggesting it is the track of a dinosaur.

in comment 548 you implied the whole site was faked,,and what about the other hundreds of prints around the world???

In that post I was referring to the Delk Tracks. The first footprint pic you showed. In the second I was referring to the Paluxy Prints.

 

[Hollie]

I guess. It just seems God didn't think much of his early work: ignoring most events and people and not telling His people almost anything they didn't already know, only talking about himself and their relationship.

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

theres a difference between evidence and physical evidence,,,

one is based on opinion and the other is based on a physical thing we can see and touch,,

evo uses the former as evidence,,,

Here we have another statement confirming the willful ignorance and purposefull fraud of religo's.

 

[OldLady]

I guess. It just seems God didn't think much of his early work: ignoring most events and people and not telling His people almost anything they didn't already know, only talking about himself and their relationship.

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

theres a difference between evidence and physical evidence,,,

one is based on opinion and the other is based on a physical thing we can see and touch,,

evo uses the former as evidence,,,

So you'd rather go with a faked fossil from a known hoaxter?
That's your idea of being scientific?

 

[WinterBorn]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

Such scientific hypocrisy. Your side believes that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Those prints look like fully modern human footprints. They were found in a layer too old to be humans.

In the Paluxy Tracks they look, superficially, like human footprints. But there are problems with them, as I posted links to explain.

from: The Paluxy River ‘footprints’ - Bad Archaeology
"Since the 1930s, dinosaur tracks have been known from the bed of the Paluxy River, near Glen Rose, Texas. What makes these tracks so controversial are claims that as well as the footprints of dinosaurs, there are unmistakably human footprints in the same strata. Even creationists admit that some of them are fakes. In some of the ‘man tracks’, it is possible to make out traces of toes to the side of the ‘foot’, which suggests that they are nothing more mysterious than highly eroded three-toed dinosaur tracks. Some also show claw marks at the ‘heel’ of the print, which is another feature typical of a dinosaur footprint but not of a human footprint. In at least one footprint sequence, there is the inexplicable coincidence that dinosaur tracks and ‘human footprints’ alternate.

The Paluxy River ‘man prints’ may resemble human footprints superficially, but they lack the anatomy of real human footprints. Furthermore, dinosaurs and humans are of very different size and weight, but in the Paluxy River, tracks made by some undisputed dinosaurs and supposed humans are sunk to the same depth in the rock, which suggests that both types were made by creatures of the same general weight; there are tracks, made by different dinosaur species sunk to different depths. In the same way, the distances between footfalls of those tracks made to the same depth are spaced the same distance apart, showing that they were made by creatures with similar stride lengths."

This site examines the tracks more closely: Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy

 

[WinterBorn]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

Such scientific hypocrisy. Your side believes that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Those prints look like fully modern human footprints. They were found in a layer too old to be humans.

No, they say that the Laetoli footprints are likely made by Australopithecus, not chimps.

 

[progressive hunter]

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

theres a difference between evidence and physical evidence,,,

one is based on opinion and the other is based on a physical thing we can see and touch,,

evo uses the former as evidence,,,

So you'd rather go with a faked fossil from a known hoaxter?
That's your idea of being scientific?

he isnt the one that found them,,,heck he wasnt even born when they were found,,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

Such scientific hypocrisy. Your side believes that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Those prints look like fully modern human footprints. They were found in a layer too old to be humans.

In the Paluxy Tracks they look, superficially, like human footprints. But there are problems with them, as I posted links to explain.

from: The Paluxy River ‘footprints’ - Bad Archaeology
"Since the 1930s, dinosaur tracks have been known from the bed of the Paluxy River, near Glen Rose, Texas. What makes these tracks so controversial are claims that as well as the footprints of dinosaurs, there are unmistakably human footprints in the same strata. Even creationists admit that some of them are fakes. In some of the ‘man tracks’, it is possible to make out traces of toes to the side of the ‘foot’, which suggests that they are nothing more mysterious than highly eroded three-toed dinosaur tracks. Some also show claw marks at the ‘heel’ of the print, which is another feature typical of a dinosaur footprint but not of a human footprint. In at least one footprint sequence, there is the inexplicable coincidence that dinosaur tracks and ‘human footprints’ alternate.

The Paluxy River ‘man prints’ may resemble human footprints superficially, but they lack the anatomy of real human footprints. Furthermore, dinosaurs and humans are of very different size and weight, but in the Paluxy River, tracks made by some undisputed dinosaurs and supposed humans are sunk to the same depth in the rock, which suggests that both types were made by creatures of the same general weight; there are tracks, made by different dinosaur species sunk to different depths. In the same way, the distances between footfalls of those tracks made to the same depth are spaced the same distance apart, showing that they were made by creatures with similar stride lengths."

This site examines the tracks more closely: Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy

your first link wont let me read it unless I give it access to my computer which I wont do, the other was written by a computer programmer


nice try but no cigar,,,
I will stick with the evidence,,,

 

[WinterBorn]

I guess. It just seems God didn't think much of his early work: ignoring most events and people and not telling His people almost anything they didn't already know, only talking about himself and their relationship.

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

theres a difference between evidence and physical evidence,,,

one is based on opinion and the other is based on a physical thing we can see and touch,,

evo uses the former as evidence,,,

You dismiss all actual research by claiming it is opinion. No published, peer reviewed work is acceptable by you because of this. (which is convenient for you)

What Do Glen Rose Moonshiners and Alvis Delk's Dinosaur/Human Footprint Have in Common? Somervell County Salon-Glen Rose, Rainbow, Nemo, Glass....Texas

That link discusses a man named George Adams, a moonshiner, who carved dinosaur footprints to sell. He and his son made one that looked like human tracks and dino tracks together. But when he heard a man from the Smithsonian wanted to see it, they took it out and got rid of it.

Just because you see a picture online does not make it hard physical evidence.

 

[james bond]

I guarantee, no one who understans anything about human evolution would ever believe that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal.

Wrong haha. "The famous Laetoli footprints attributed to Australopithecus afarensis are bipedal, but they are still relatively splayed compared to the tracks of living humans."

The emergence of humans

 

[OldLady]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

the tracks are physical evidence that have never been debunked no matter how many times you say they have,,,,

and the rock was tested by evos and confirmed authentic,,,

No one said the rock was fake. In fact, no one said any of this particular site is fake. Just that they are not human footprints. No toe marks. Some show a toe on the side, suggesting it is the track of a dinosaur.

in comment 548 you implied the whole site was faked,,and what about the other hundreds of prints around the world???

In that post I was referring to the Delk Tracks. The first footprint pic you showed. In the second I was referring to the Paluxy Prints.

When my son was small, we got very excited going to visit Dinosaur State Park in Connecticut, where they said they had REAL DINOSAUR FOOTPRINTS!!!!
They didn't look like much--more like bird tracks, so it was a bit of a let down. But the creature was big -- just had little feet. I was expecting footprints you could lay down in and do snow angels.
We had fun on the nature trails, though. Still joke about the sign saying "rotting log." LOL

 

[progressive hunter]

you are aware god didnt write it???

But he created pen and ink..Try and beat that !

got any proof of that???

Neither of us can provide proof, this isn't math class. All I have is evidence. Evidence I consider overwhelming compared to any other theory.

theres a difference between evidence and physical evidence,,,

one is based on opinion and the other is based on a physical thing we can see and touch,,

evo uses the former as evidence,,,

You dismiss all actual research by claiming it is opinion. No published, peer reviewed work is acceptable by you because of this. (which is convenient for you)

What Do Glen Rose Moonshiners and Alvis Delk's Dinosaur/Human Footprint Have in Common? Somervell County Salon-Glen Rose, Rainbow, Nemo, Glass....Texas

That link discusses a man named George Adams, a moonshiner, who carved dinosaur footprints to sell. He and his son made one that looked like human tracks and dino tracks together. But when he heard a man from the Smithsonian wanted to see it, they took it out and got rid of it.

Just because you see a picture online does not make it hard physical evidence.

I never said there wasnt fakes,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

the tracks are physical evidence that have never been debunked no matter how many times you say they have,,,,

and the rock was tested by evos and confirmed authentic,,,

No one said the rock was fake. In fact, no one said any of this particular site is fake. Just that they are not human footprints. No toe marks. Some show a toe on the side, suggesting it is the track of a dinosaur.

in comment 548 you implied the whole site was faked,,and what about the other hundreds of prints around the world???

In that post I was referring to the Delk Tracks. The first footprint pic you showed. In the second I was referring to the Paluxy Prints.

When my son was small, we got very excited going to visit Dinosaur State Park in Connecticut, where they said they had REAL DINOSAUR FOOTPRINTS!!!!
They didn't look like much--more like bird tracks, so it was a bit of a let down. But the creature was big -- just had little feet. I was expecting footprints you could lay down in and do snow angels.
We had fun on the nature trails, though. Still joke about the sign saying "rotting log." LOL

well isnt that special,,,

 

[WinterBorn]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

Such scientific hypocrisy. Your side believes that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Those prints look like fully modern human footprints. They were found in a layer too old to be humans.

In the Paluxy Tracks they look, superficially, like human footprints. But there are problems with them, as I posted links to explain.

from: The Paluxy River ‘footprints’ - Bad Archaeology
"Since the 1930s, dinosaur tracks have been known from the bed of the Paluxy River, near Glen Rose, Texas. What makes these tracks so controversial are claims that as well as the footprints of dinosaurs, there are unmistakably human footprints in the same strata. Even creationists admit that some of them are fakes. In some of the ‘man tracks’, it is possible to make out traces of toes to the side of the ‘foot’, which suggests that they are nothing more mysterious than highly eroded three-toed dinosaur tracks. Some also show claw marks at the ‘heel’ of the print, which is another feature typical of a dinosaur footprint but not of a human footprint. In at least one footprint sequence, there is the inexplicable coincidence that dinosaur tracks and ‘human footprints’ alternate.

The Paluxy River ‘man prints’ may resemble human footprints superficially, but they lack the anatomy of real human footprints. Furthermore, dinosaurs and humans are of very different size and weight, but in the Paluxy River, tracks made by some undisputed dinosaurs and supposed humans are sunk to the same depth in the rock, which suggests that both types were made by creatures of the same general weight; there are tracks, made by different dinosaur species sunk to different depths. In the same way, the distances between footfalls of those tracks made to the same depth are spaced the same distance apart, showing that they were made by creatures with similar stride lengths."

This site examines the tracks more closely: Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy

your first link wont let me read it unless I give it access to my computer which I wont do, the other was written by a computer programmer


nice try but no cigar,,,
I will stick with the evidence,,,

Evidence? Photos with little or no research? I've seen pics of Bigfoot online too. Is that evidence?

Well, lucky for you I quoted 2 paragraphs from the website. I'll quote them again for you.

""Since the 1930s, dinosaur tracks have been known from the bed of the Paluxy River, near Glen Rose, Texas. What makes these tracks so controversial are claims that as well as the footprints of dinosaurs, there are unmistakably human footprints in the same strata. Even creationists admit that some of them are fakes. In some of the ‘man tracks’, it is possible to make out traces of toes to the side of the ‘foot’, which suggests that they are nothing more mysterious than highly eroded three-toed dinosaur tracks. Some also show claw marks at the ‘heel’ of the print, which is another feature typical of a dinosaur footprint but not of a human footprint. In at least one footprint sequence, there is the inexplicable coincidence that dinosaur tracks and ‘human footprints’ alternate.

The Paluxy River ‘man prints’ may resemble human footprints superficially, but they lack the anatomy of real human footprints. Furthermore, dinosaurs and humans are of very different size and weight, but in the Paluxy River, tracks made by some undisputed dinosaurs and supposed humans are sunk to the same depth in the rock, which suggests that both types were made by creatures of the same general weight; there are tracks, made by different dinosaur species sunk to different depths. In the same way, the distances between footfalls of those tracks made to the same depth are spaced the same distance apart, showing that they were made by creatures with similar stride lengths."

The fact that Glen J. Kuban is a computer programmer does nothing to change his findings. He is an independent researcher and his research is well documented.

 

[WinterBorn]

the tracks are physical evidence that have never been debunked no matter how many times you say they have,,,,

and the rock was tested by evos and confirmed authentic,,,

No one said the rock was fake. In fact, no one said any of this particular site is fake. Just that they are not human footprints. No toe marks. Some show a toe on the side, suggesting it is the track of a dinosaur.

in comment 548 you implied the whole site was faked,,and what about the other hundreds of prints around the world???

In that post I was referring to the Delk Tracks. The first footprint pic you showed. In the second I was referring to the Paluxy Prints.

When my son was small, we got very excited going to visit Dinosaur State Park in Connecticut, where they said they had REAL DINOSAUR FOOTPRINTS!!!!
They didn't look like much--more like bird tracks, so it was a bit of a let down. But the creature was big -- just had little feet. I was expecting footprints you could lay down in and do snow angels.
We had fun on the nature trails, though. Still joke about the sign saying "rotting log." LOL

well isnt that special,,,

Yes, it probably was very special to her family. Don't be an ass.

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not surprised that you believe the tracks are real. You want them to be real. And any evidence that is contrary to your beliefs, you label as "opinion".

Such scientific hypocrisy. Your side believes that the Laetoli footprints meant chimps started walking bipedal. Those prints look like fully modern human footprints. They were found in a layer too old to be humans.

In the Paluxy Tracks they look, superficially, like human footprints. But there are problems with them, as I posted links to explain.

from: The Paluxy River ‘footprints’ - Bad Archaeology
"Since the 1930s, dinosaur tracks have been known from the bed of the Paluxy River, near Glen Rose, Texas. What makes these tracks so controversial are claims that as well as the footprints of dinosaurs, there are unmistakably human footprints in the same strata. Even creationists admit that some of them are fakes. In some of the ‘man tracks’, it is possible to make out traces of toes to the side of the ‘foot’, which suggests that they are nothing more mysterious than highly eroded three-toed dinosaur tracks. Some also show claw marks at the ‘heel’ of the print, which is another feature typical of a dinosaur footprint but not of a human footprint. In at least one footprint sequence, there is the inexplicable coincidence that dinosaur tracks and ‘human footprints’ alternate.

The Paluxy River ‘man prints’ may resemble human footprints superficially, but they lack the anatomy of real human footprints. Furthermore, dinosaurs and humans are of very different size and weight, but in the Paluxy River, tracks made by some undisputed dinosaurs and supposed humans are sunk to the same depth in the rock, which suggests that both types were made by creatures of the same general weight; there are tracks, made by different dinosaur species sunk to different depths. In the same way, the distances between footfalls of those tracks made to the same depth are spaced the same distance apart, showing that they were made by creatures with similar stride lengths."

This site examines the tracks more closely: Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy

your first link wont let me read it unless I give it access to my computer which I wont do, the other was written by a computer programmer


nice try but no cigar,,,
I will stick with the evidence,,,

Evidence? Photos with little or no research? I've seen pics of Bigfoot online too. Is that evidence?

Well, lucky for you I quoted 2 paragraphs from the website. I'll quote them again for you.

""Since the 1930s, dinosaur tracks have been known from the bed of the Paluxy River, near Glen Rose, Texas. What makes these tracks so controversial are claims that as well as the footprints of dinosaurs, there are unmistakably human footprints in the same strata. Even creationists admit that some of them are fakes. In some of the ‘man tracks’, it is possible to make out traces of toes to the side of the ‘foot’, which suggests that they are nothing more mysterious than highly eroded three-toed dinosaur tracks. Some also show claw marks at the ‘heel’ of the print, which is another feature typical of a dinosaur footprint but not of a human footprint. In at least one footprint sequence, there is the inexplicable coincidence that dinosaur tracks and ‘human footprints’ alternate.

The Paluxy River ‘man prints’ may resemble human footprints superficially, but they lack the anatomy of real human footprints. Furthermore, dinosaurs and humans are of very different size and weight, but in the Paluxy River, tracks made by some undisputed dinosaurs and supposed humans are sunk to the same depth in the rock, which suggests that both types were made by creatures of the same general weight; there are tracks, made by different dinosaur species sunk to different depths. In the same way, the distances between footfalls of those tracks made to the same depth are spaced the same distance apart, showing that they were made by creatures with similar stride lengths."

The fact that Glen J. Kuban is a computer programmer does nothing to change his findings. He is an independent researcher and his research is well documented.

who said no research was done???

if you took the time to research it you would know how much was done,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

No one said the rock was fake. In fact, no one said any of this particular site is fake. Just that they are not human footprints. No toe marks. Some show a toe on the side, suggesting it is the track of a dinosaur.

in comment 548 you implied the whole site was faked,,and what about the other hundreds of prints around the world???

In that post I was referring to the Delk Tracks. The first footprint pic you showed. In the second I was referring to the Paluxy Prints.

When my son was small, we got very excited going to visit Dinosaur State Park in Connecticut, where they said they had REAL DINOSAUR FOOTPRINTS!!!!
They didn't look like much--more like bird tracks, so it was a bit of a let down. But the creature was big -- just had little feet. I was expecting footprints you could lay down in and do snow angels.
We had fun on the nature trails, though. Still joke about the sign saying "rotting log." LOL

well isnt that special,,,

Yes, it probably was very special to her family. Don't be an ass.

I'm not here for family stories,,,especially when they have nothing to do with the topic,,,