Dragonlady
Designing Woman
No, its not about stopping poor people from voting, its about making sure legal people are voting.I don't know. They ask a couple questions. What's your address for example. Anyways, you do realize if this happens it maybe happens once or twice in each state. Not even. So why are you so worried about this?Don't know, my point was, its that easy for someone to commit voter fraud if all you have is a list, and someone's word that they are being honest about who they are.Is that happening?John Jones walks in: "hello, I'm Dave Davidson, and I'm here to vote"In my area they have a paper list of all registered voters in the district. You walk in, they ask your name, you tell them, they cross off your name, you go vote.
Works great.
"OK Mr Davidson, we got you on the list"
A few hours later...
John Jones walks in "hello, I'm John Jones, and I'm here to vote"
"OK Mr Jones, we got you on the list"
A few hours later....
Dave Davidson walks in: "hello, I'm Dave Davidson, and I'm here to vote"
"I'm sorry, Mr Davidson, we show that you have already voted, I'm afraid you can't vote because we have no way of proving you didn't vote"
It's more likely you are just trying to make it harder for poor people to vote.
If someone is a registered voter they should be able to get an absentee ballot no reason needed and they should be able to mail in their vote. And I sort of liked it that because of the pandemic they mailed EVERYONE an absentee ballot. It showed a lot of people will vote if they can mail in vote.
If these new rules stopped a lot of Trump voters from voting I bet you wouldn't be pushing for these new voter laws. I bet you'd want to make it easier for them to vote. And then maybe I would be like you. I'd be against the masses voting because "they are stupid".
Sorry but picking a Republican or Democrat to lead isn't about being smart. For a rich person, it's smart to vote GOP. For a poor person, it's smart to vote Democratic. It's the GOP's responsibility to represent poor and stupid people too not just smart and rich people.
So why are you so worried about this?
Why are you not worried about this? Do you not want to make sure that only legal and legitimate votes are counted?
And I sort of liked it that because of the pandemic they mailed EVERYONE an absentee ballot. It showed a lot of people will vote if they can mail in vote.
Sure, its convenient, but surely you can see the flaw in blindly sending out millions of ballots, especially when you don't allow voter role purges. Many ballots will find their way to the wrong people, former addresses, people who have died, and some people will use that as a way to commit fraud because they will send those illegitimate ballots back in, and nobody will ever be able to catch them.
1. Voter purges are not only allowed, they're encouraged. But like all things, the devil is in the details. Purges without notification, and done close to elections are barred. Ongoing purges of names with notifications being mailed out, and a reasonable time frame for the voter to respond, a second and "final notice" of purge, all done with no names being removed within 6 months of an election, should be SOP.
2. All mail in ballots require ID. The difference between Dems and Republicans, is that Dems will accept all forms of ID, and Republicans want very limited forms of ID and verifications, which are designed to limit specific blocks of voters.
3. Mail in voting has been in place since the Civil War. There has never been any cases of significant voter fraud using mail in ballots.
4. In the instances where there have been large cases of voter fraud, the voter ID laws being proposed by Republicans would have had absolutely no impact in preventing these voter fraud cases.Ongoing purges of names with notifications being mailed out, and a reasonable time frame for the voter to respond, a second and "final notice" of purge, all done with no names being removed within 6 months of an election, should be SOP.
I'm all for giving people enough time to respond to a purge notice. No argument there, but, if they send you multiple notices and you fail to respond, you can't blame that on the system.
The difference between Dems and Republicans, is that Dems will accept all forms of ID, and Republicans want very limited forms of ID and verifications, which are designed to limit specific blocks of voters.
I'll be honest, I agree that we should not accept ALL forms of ID. Its too easy to fake an ID these days. I think the form of ID should be a legal, verified ID, such as a DL, or other state or government issued ID. For those that have trouble acquiring one of these ID, I think the state should help them get it, and it should be free.
Mail in voting has been in place since the Civil War. There has never been any cases of significant voter fraud using mail in ballots.
Only in select areas and in most cases its a "by request" absentee ballot. There has never been a nation wide mass ballot mailing such as the dems are suggesting.
The issue with the voter purges is that "True the Vote" would come in a few weeks before the election, and just strike names off the rolls, with no notice and no appeal period. If you send a notice, with a reasonable appeal period, and a final notice, with no response, yes, by all means purge the name. But do ALL of the steps, and don't do ANY purges within 3 months before a national election.
As for voter ID, again, any government issued ID should do. But please remember that there has never been a case of major voter fraud that voter ID, of the types proposed by Republicans, would have solved, so there is an awful lot of effort being put special forms of voter ID to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Just like Republicans have brought forth more than 200 laws to restrict voting and prevent fraud, after the safest and most honest election in US history, there are more new voting laws now being proposed than there has been since the Jim Crow era!
The purpose of Jim Crow laws was to keep black people from voting. Imagine that!!As for voter ID, again, any government issued ID should do.
I disagree. Even illegals can get valid government ID. Some states are issuing drivers licenses to illegals and that is considered a valid state ID.
The ID for voting should be a citizenship verified ID.
Just like Republicans have brought forth more than 200 laws to restrict voting and prevent fraud, after the safest and most honest election in US history, there are more new voting laws now being proposed than there has been since the Jim Crow era!
The purpose of Jim Crow laws was to keep black people from voting. Imagine that!!
Again, who is saying they are preventing anyone legal from voting? Only the left is saying that. I've yet to see anyone from the right saying that certain legal citizens should be prevented from voting. The right sees the illegal immigration at the border as a problem. They are afraid that many of these illegals will slip through the cracks and end up voting. Many on the right think the left is facilitating it. So, they want to make sure that those people who are not eligible to vote don't get a chance.
The ID isn't to prove citizenship, it's to prove identify. You have to prove citizenship to be registered as a voter, not at the polls. The purpose of voter ID is to prove you're the same person named on the voter rolls. When I go to the polling station, my name is on a list. I show ID to prove I am the person named on the list. If my name is on the list, my citizenship has already been proven.
Realistically speaking, the right wing obsession with illegals voting has no basis in fact. Illegals don't give a rat's ass about voting. They're trying to keep their heads low and not get caught. Like we did when we snuck backstage at rock shows when we were teenagers. We didn't want anyone to spot us and throw us out so we did nothing to draw attention to ourselves until the concert was over.
Republicans are lying to you about voter fraud, to push through these voter suppression laws to reduce poor and minority voting, because they're aren't enough rich white men to keep them in power and voting for bad economic policies that favour billionaires.
There have been cases of massive voter fraud, but NONE of them involved illegal immigrants voting in large numbers, or people impersonating voters using fake ID's. Republicans are proposing repressive solutions to solve problems that don't exist, while doing nothing to thwart the kids of voter suppression and fraud, we have been seeing - like Gerrymandering, or "exact match".
The only problem that Republicans are looking to solve with these voter ID and voter suppression laws, is that there are too many Democratic voters to overcome, so like Trump said in the debate "We have to throw out the votes".