Is there any USMB member who believes all deported Tren de Aragua members be returned to the US?

[jc456]

The supreme court ruled that Garcia must be brought back to the United States. We are taking the word of SCOTUS, in this case, but it seems that you're not! Projecting much?

not at all what they said. You think SCOTUS told us to go remove a prisoner out of prison in another country? you've lost you mind. Here

 

[konradv]

You can guarantee he wont be allowed to post bail? How, if he is so innocent? No judge will be compassionate enough to allow him to be with SOB SOB his autistic son?!?!?

Doesn't mean holding them either.

MAGA Is anti-family!

 

[Seymour Flops]

There was no creditable evidence that he was ever in MS13.

He and other have denied her was ever a member of MS13.

Why "renounce" something that government hasn't proven you've done.



In 2019, Abrego Garcia wasn't a political football.

The bond hearing was before Judge Kessler was in April 2019, the actual immigration hearing dealing with asylum and the threat to his life funning away from gangs was before Judge Davis in October 2019.

In 2019 no one had heard the name Kilmar Abrego Garcia not that the Trump Administration had detained him, conducted an immigration hearing and released him, and awarded work authorization.

WW

Okay, sure. I'll play along and post it one more time.

What to Know About Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Deportee SCOTUS Ordered Trump Admin to Return

The Supreme Court ordered the Trump Administration to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return to the U.S. after the White House mistakenly deported him to a notorious El Salvador prison.

time.com

The information was enough for an immigration judge in 2019 to keep Abrego Garcia in jail as his immigration case continued, court records state. The judge said the informant was proven and reliable and had verified his gang membership and rank.

This is the fourth time I've posted this, so clearly you are trolling at this point.

Too bad, before November 2024, you were one of the more serious leftie posters on here.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Okay, sure. I'll play along and post it one more time.

What to Know About Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Deportee SCOTUS Ordered Trump Admin to Return

The Supreme Court ordered the Trump Administration to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return to the U.S. after the White House mistakenly deported him to a notorious El Salvador prison.

time.com

The information was enough for an immigration judge in 2019 to keep Abrego Garcia in jail as his immigration case continued, court records state. The judge said the informant was proven and reliable and had verified his gang membership and rank.

This is the fourth time I've posted this, so clearly you are trolling at this point.

Too bad, before November 2024, you were one of the more serious leftie posters on here.

You know very well that was from a bond hearing with Judge Kessler early in the process in April 2019, not his asylum hearing with Judge Jones (I may have said Davis in an earlier post, his first name is David) at the end of the process.

The Judge that made the final determination, Judge Davis, found Abreo Garcia's claims, testimony and supporting documents to be creditable.

The asylum hearing in October superceeds the shoot from the hip bond hearing from April because the defendent actually had time to present counter evidence.

And this is the fouth time I will have pointed out you are relying on a bond hearing where Abrego Garcia had limited to obtain and present contrary evidence to the governments claimes.

Immigration Judge Jones didn't buy it in 2019 and Federal District Court Judge Xinis didn't buy it in 2025.

WW

From the Ayslum hearing which occured after the bond hearing.

W

 

[Seymour Flops]

You know very well that was from a bond hearing with Judge Kessler early in the process in April 2019, not his asylum hearing with Judge Jones (I may have said Davis in an earlier post, his first name is David) at the end of the process.

The Judge that made the final determination, Judge Davis, found Abreo Garcia's claims, testimony and supporting documents to be creditable.

The asylum hearing in October superceeds the shoot from the hip bond hearing from April because the defendent actually had time to present counter evidence.

And this is the fouth time I will have pointed out you are relying on a bond hearing where Abrego Garcia had limited to obtain and present contrary evidence to the governments claimes.

Immigration Judge Jones didn't buy it in 2019 and Federal District Court Judge Xinis didn't buy it in 2025.

WW

View attachment 1100438

Also from my link.

In October 2019, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s asylum request but granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador because of a “well-founded fear” of gang persecution, according to his case. He was released, and ICE did not appeal.

Doesn't say he was not a gang member. Fear of a rival gang could be interpretted as fear of gang persecution.

Show me the text of the assylum hearing with Judge Jones that supports your claim that the judge found that Kilmar was not a gang member.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Also from my link.

In October 2019, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s asylum request but granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador because of a “well-founded fear” of gang persecution, according to his case. He was released, and ICE did not appeal.

Doesn't say he was not a gang member. Fear of a rival gang could be interpretted as fear of gang persecution.

Show me the text of the assylum hearing with Judge Jones that supports your claim that the judge found that Kilmar was not a gang member.

I did. It's in the post you quoted. It's from Judge Jones' asylum hearing ruling.


WW

 

[beagle9]

The future is non-global. Get used to it, cabron.

Well maybe "non-global" in the sense of not allowing others in the world to work with the traitors here to screw us over and over and over I agree..

 

[Leo123]

Well maybe "non-global" in the sense of not allowing others in the world to work with the traitors here to screw us over and over and over I agree..

'The future is global' is essentially a meaningless phrase but, I was mirroring THEIR definition of 'Global' which is to minimize and bring down the U.S.

 

[beagle9]

Then deport him LEGALLY.

What Trump did was illegal

You wouldn't be happy regardless of what Trump does, so you can stop with your bull crap act as if you somehow worry about legality after hundreds of thousands of aliens illegally invaded the United States per the Democrat's idiocy and nefarious actions.

 

[Delldude]

Then deport him LEGALLY.

What Trump did was illegal

Kinda dead issue..... The ES president was asked by CNN if he'd return the guy......his answer was how is he going to 'smuggle' a terrorist into the US. . .

 

[Seymour Flops]

I did. It's in the post you quoted. It's from Judge Jones' asylum hearing ruling.


WW

This:

Says absolutely nothing about whether Kilmar is or ever was a gang member.

Whereas my quote very specifically addressed that point.

Your quote above says that his family members said good things about him. Mine would say good things about me, but that does not make me immune from the consequences of my actions.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Kinda dead issue..... The ES president was asked by CNN if he'd return the guy......his answer was how is he going to 'smuggle' a terrorist into the US. . .

Indeed.

WorldWatcher, Lesh, TimFitz, sealybobo, the USSC did not order Trump to do anything specific, and of course did not order anything at all of President Bukele. It's kicked back to the lower court.

What do you envision that court ordering those presidents to do, that realistically they can and will do?

Do you predict that Kilmar will ever see the United States again?

 

[Lesh]

This:

View attachment 1100459

Says absolutely nothing about whether Kilmar is or ever was a gang member.

Whereas my quote very specifically addressed that point.

Your quote above says that his family members said good things about him. Mine would say good things about me, but that does not make me immune from the consequences of my actions.

Hey jackass… his claim that he was not a gang member was adjudged to be credible. It says so several times in several ways.

Can you read?

 

[Delldude]

Hey jackass… his claim that he was not a gang member was adjudged to be credible. It says so several times in several ways.

Can you read?

Post #1310........

 

[Seymour Flops]

Hey jackass… his claim that he was not a gang member was adjudged to be credible. It says so several times in several ways.

Can you read?

The judge in his first hearing adjudged that the claims that he was a gang member were credible. The judge in the case WW cited adjudged his claims about being in fear for his life to be credible, without mentioning whether Kilmar himself was a gang member.

It doesn't say what you want it to say, and all the childish name calling you can muster won't change that fact.

 

[Lesh]

The judge in his first hearing adjudged that the claims that he was a gang member were credible. The judge in the case WW cited adjudged his claims about being in fear for his life to be credible, without mentioning whether he himself was a gang member.

It doesn't say what you want it to say, and all the childish name calling you can muster won't change that fact.

In that second case… an APPEAL ( I assume you know what that means) the judge ruled his claims (all of them including his not being a gang member) to be credible… hence his ruling of protection from deportation to El Salvador

You proved yourself wrong

What a shock

 

[Delldude]

In that second case… an APPEAL ( I assume you know what that means) the judge ruled his claims (all of them including his not being a gang member) to be credible… hence his ruling of protection from deportation to El Salvador

You proved yourself wrong

What a shock

You smack......why are you arguing when the prez of ES said he's not coming back.......

 

[Seymour Flops]

In that second case… an APPEAL ( I assume you know what that means) the judge ruled his claims (all of them including his not being a gang member) to be credible… hence his ruling of protection from deportation to El Salvador

You proved yourself wrong

What a shock

It doesn't say that in the part that WW posted.

Where did you get that part about "(all of them including his not being a gang member)?"

Or where does it say "I rule all of his claims credible?"

Is it something WW failed to post? I post links and quotes for my claims.

 

[beagle9]

This:

View attachment 1100459

Says absolutely nothing about whether Kilmar is or ever was a gang member.

Whereas my quote very specifically addressed that point.

Your quote above says that his family members said good things about him. Mine would say good things about me, but that does not make me immune from the consequences of my actions.

Kinda reminds us of the Trayvon Martin case. The one where a photo was shown of him by his parents when he was younger, and when he was in his football jersey that suggested a young vibrant young man with a big future ahead of him.

It wasn't a picture that showed him when he was older and wearing questionable clothing that suggested that he may not have been what his family had attempted to show him to be.....

After the event that unfolded on the night that unfortunately ended his life, the case was a tough one for anyone to figure out, uhhhh and that's if they ever did figure that one out.

The reactions by loved one's are normal reactions found in parent's or loved one's that want to shine a positive light on their loved one's no matter what the situation is or was. It's understandable. So it has to be that the evidence stands or it doesn't, but hopefully the thorough investigation will determine innocence or not in a case that had to be taken all the way to the Supreme court.

My hopes is that the guy gets a fair and decent shake if he's as innocent as his wife and family claims, otherwise if he's somehow not what it appeared in the eye's of the government.

 

[sartre play]

I've already had democrats here tell me they support flying all the gang bangers Trump deported back to America, giving them large tax payer paid settlements, and turning them loose on Americans.

Only traitors would support this.

Democrats = traitors

THATS a dishonest reply. post something that shows you have looked at the issue. I sure do not see anything that explains
the situation? is or is there not ONE actual AMERICAN CITZEN WHO WAS BY MISHAP OR ON DELIBERTLY SENT AWAY.
that should be the Only important thought.