Is there any USMB member who believes all deported Tren de Aragua members be returned to the US?

[Seymour Flops]

Being returned to the US and held in US confinement while providing habeas corpus review is no danger to the community.

You can guarantee he wont be allowed to post bail? How, if he is so innocent? No judge will be compassionate enough to allow him to be with SOB SOB his autistic son?!?!?

As the Judges have said in their decisions, returning them does not mean releasing them.

WW

Doesn't mean holding them either.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You can guarantee he wont be allowed to post bail? How, if he is so innocent? No judge will be compassionate enough to allow him to be with SOB SOB his autistic son?!?!?

Doesn't mean holding them either.

Guarantee?

No.

That would be up to the judge in a bond hearing. The government says why the defendant should be detained. The defendants gets to tell the judge why they shouldn't. Then the Judge makes the call.

So on the governments side you have: Wearing A Bulls Hat, A hoodie, and an informant from years ago that said he was in a New York gang while living in Maryland.

On the defendants side you have: gainfully employed, not criminal activity in 14 years, not criminal record in El Salvador, no gang activity, and the original judge in 2019 found that he was RUNNING from being forcefully inducted into a gang.

That's why we have judges making the call, so they can look at evidence instead of Bulls Hat + Brown Skin = Gang Member.

WW

 

[sealybobo]

Wow that weirdo, radical judge was overturned quickly

Every Supreme Court Judge agrees Trump is an ass hole. Do you know how much of an asshole you have to be to get those 10 to all agree?

Trump Just Defied the Supreme Court. What Is John Roberts Going to Do About It?​

 

[struth]

Every Supreme Court Judge agrees Trump is an ass hole. Do you know how much of an asshole you have to be to get those 10 to all agree?

Trump Just Defied the Supreme Court. What Is John Roberts Going to Do About It?​

you've polled them?

He didn't defy the order, that's just a silly headline. The order said he had to faciliate his return, he's done that, by changing his status. Trump nor the SCOTUS or any Court has authority over El Salvandor.

Definition of FACILITATE

to make (something) easier : such as; to help bring (something) about; to help (something, such as a discussion) run more smoothly and effectively… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[sealybobo]

You can guarantee he wont be allowed to post bail? How, if he is so innocent? No judge will be compassionate enough to allow him to be with SOB SOB his autistic son?!?!?

Doesn't mean holding them either.

U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records​

Trump administration used a law not invoked since World War II to send them -- claiming they are all terrorists and violent gang members.

The government has released very little information about the men. But through internal government documents, we have obtained a list of their identities and found that an overwhelming majority have no apparent criminal convictions or even criminal charges.

Among them: a makeup artist, a soccer player and a food delivery driver, being held in a place so harsh that El Salvador's justice minister once said the only way out is in a coffin.

Andry Hernandez Romero was among them.

Lindsay Toczylowski: Andry is a 31-year-old Venezuelan. He's a makeup artist. He is a gay man. He loves to do theatre. He was part of a theatre troupe in his hometown.

Lindsay Toczylowski, Andry's attorney, says he does not have a criminal record in the United States or Venezuela. She says he left his home country last year because he was targeted for being gay and for his political views.

Holy shit. Trump didn't deport gang members. He deported people seeking asylum and told us they were gang members.

 

[struth]

U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records​

Trump administration used a law not invoked since World War II to send them -- claiming they are all terrorists and violent gang members.

The government has released very little information about the men. But through internal government documents, we have obtained a list of their identities and found that an overwhelming majority have no apparent criminal convictions or even criminal charges.

Among them: a makeup artist, a soccer player and a food delivery driver, being held in a place so harsh that El Salvador's justice minister once said the only way out is in a coffin.

Andry Hernandez Romero was among them.

Lindsay Toczylowski: Andry is a 31-year-old Venezuelan. He's a makeup artist. He is a gay man. He loves to do theatre. He was part of a theatre troupe in his hometown.

Lindsay Toczylowski, Andry's attorney, says he does not have a criminal record in the United States or Venezuela. She says he left his home country last year because he was targeted for being gay and for his political views.

Holy shit. Trump didn't deport gang members. He deported people seeking asylum and told us they were gang members.

and the SCOTUS said he could. Not sure your point, Trump is using a law passed by Congress, to enforce immigration law, and deport members of a terrorist organization.

Why does that bother you?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Guarantee?

No.

That would be up to the judge in a bond hearing. The government says why the defendant should be detained. The defendants gets to tell the judge why they shouldn't. Then the Judge makes the call.

So on the governments side you have: Wearing A Bulls Hat, A hoodie, and an informant from years ago that said he was in a New York gang while living in Maryland.

On the defendants side you have: gainfully employed, not criminal activity in 14 years, not criminal record in El Salvador, no gang activity, and the original judge in 2019 found that he was RUNNING from being forcefully inducted into a gang.

That's why we have judges making the call, so they can look at evidence instead of Bulls Hat + Brown Skin = Gang

So, this:

Being returned to the US and held in US confinement while providing habeas corpus review is no danger to the community.

was pure bullshit that you hoped to sneak past us.

A judge in 2019 found the informant's information about Kilmar's gang membership and rank to be credible. No Bulls hat was mentioned.

Now, you don't believe judges?

 

[sealybobo]

and the SCOTUS said he could. Not sure your point, Trump is using a law passed by Congress, to enforce immigration law, and deport members of a terrorist organization.

Why does that bother you?

Trump doubled down on his hope to illegally send U.S. citizens to a brutal prison in El Salvador, telling reporters he’s “all for it.”

“You mentioned that you’re open to deporting individuals that aren’t foreign aliens to El Salvador,” a reporter asked Trump

“Does that include, potentially, U.S. citizens?”
Trump didn’t shy away: “I’m all for it,” he said.

Trump previously suggested that people who vandalize Teslas as a protest against the company’s billionaire CEO Elon Musk should also be sent to El Salvador.

Now let me predict your next comment. You're going to say "what's wrong with deporting Americans who vandalize Tesler's? Just don't vandalize a Tesler and you won't be deported. Is that what you were going to say?

 

[sealybobo]

So, this:

Being returned to the US and held in US confinement while providing habeas corpus review is no danger to the community.

was pure bullshit that you hoped to sneak past us.

A judge in 2019 found the informant's information about Kilmar's gang membership and rank to be credible. No Bulls hat was mentioned.

Now, you don't believe judges?

I don't think that's true.

 

[Seymour Flops]

U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records​

Trump administration used a law not invoked since World War II to send them -- claiming they are all terrorists and violent gang members.

The government has released very little information about the men. But through internal government documents, we have obtained a list of their identities and found that an overwhelming majority have no apparent criminal convictions or even criminal charges.

Among them: a makeup artist, a soccer player and a food delivery driver, being held in a place so harsh that El Salvador's justice minister once said the only way out is in a coffin.

Andry Hernandez Romero was among them.

Lindsay Toczylowski: Andry is a 31-year-old Venezuelan. He's a makeup artist. He is a gay man. He loves to do theatre. He was part of a theatre troupe in his hometown.

Lindsay Toczylowski, Andry's attorney, says he does not have a criminal record in the United States or Venezuela. She says he left his home country last year because he was targeted for being gay and for his political views.

Holy shit. Trump didn't deport gang members. He deported people seeking asylum and told us they were gang members.

Attorneys are paid to lie.

 

[sealybobo]

Attorneys are paid to lie.

Trump's lawyers for sure.

 

[struth]

Trump doubled down on his hope to illegally send U.S. citizens to a brutal prison in El Salvador, telling reporters he’s “all for it.”

“You mentioned that you’re open to deporting individuals that aren’t foreign aliens to El Salvador,” a reporter asked Trump

“Does that include, potentially, U.S. citizens?”
Trump didn’t shy away: “I’m all for it,” he said.

Trump previously suggested that people who vandalize Teslas as a protest against the company’s billionaire CEO Elon Musk should also be sent to El Salvador.

Now let me predict your next comment. You're going to say "what's wrong with deporting Americans who vandalize Tesler's? Just don't vandalize a Tesler and you won't be deported. Is that what you were going to say?

what US Citizens have been deported to El Salavador? Zero.

Wiht that said, if it's legally possible, I have no problem sending the convicted criminals there, but I doubt it is. I don't disagree with him, if it's possible to send them there, we should, they are terrorist and should be locked up

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think that's true.

I've posted the proof to a couple of TDS folk before and they ran away.

Will that be you, or will you be man/woman to admit it?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump's lawyers for sure.

Why believe any of them?

 

[WorldWatcher]

So, this:

Being returned to the US and held in US confinement while providing habeas corpus review is no danger to the community.

was pure bullshit that you hoped to sneak past us.

A judge in 2019 found the informant's information about Kilmar's gang membership and rank to be credible. No Bulls hat was mentioned.

Now, you don't believe judges?

The judge you are referring to was for the bond proceeding where has very little evidence presented. Bond proceedings are limited in scope, short, and often without the ability to gather or present contravening evidence because of the short turnaround time.

The LATER judge, the Immigration Judge was a different judge. The judge could have retained the defendant in custody, but did not find the governments claims warranted continued detention. There was a 30 day appeal period (original entry in October 2019 which became permeant in November 2019), during which the Trump Administration DIDN'T file a motion for retention, DIDN'T appeal the Immigration Judges opinion, and ISSUED Aberg Garcia work authorization.

You apparently want only believe the bond judge but ignore the subsequent Immigration Judges ruling and Trump Administrations choice to not take action.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

The judge you are referring to was for the bond proceeding where has very little evidence presented. Bond proceedings are limited in scope, short, and often without the ability to gather or present contravening evidence because of the short turnaround time.

The LATER judge, the Immigration Judge was a different judge. The judge could have retained the defendant in custody, but did not find the governments claims warranted continued detention. There was a 30 day appeal period (original entry in October 2019 which became permeant in November 2019), during which the Trump Administration DIDN'T file a motion for retention, DIDN'T appeal the Immigration Judges opinion, and ISSUED Aberg Garcia work authorization.

You apparently want only believe the bond judge but ignore the subsequent Immigration Judges ruling and Trump Administrations choice to not take action.

WW

Did Kilmar renounce his membership in MS13?

Yes I believe the judge that had the case before it turned into a political football.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Did Kilmar renounce his membership in MS13?

There was no creditable evidence that he was ever in MS13.

He and other have denied her was ever a member of MS13.

Why "renounce" something that government hasn't proven you've done.

Yes I beluevevthe judge that had the case before it turned into a political football.

In 2019, Abrego Garcia wasn't a political football.

The bond hearing was before Judge Kessler was in April 2019, the actual immigration hearing dealing with asylum and the threat to his life funning away from gangs was before Judge Davis in October 2019.

In 2019 no one had heard the name Kilmar Abrego Garcia not that the Trump Administration had detained him, conducted an immigration hearing and released him, and awarded work authorization.

WW

 

[jc456]

Being returned to the US and held in US confinement while providing habeas corpus review is no danger to the community.

As the Judges have said in their decisions, returning them does not mean releasing them.

WW

SCOTUS said nope. Why can't you all ever take the word of SCOTUS

 

[krichton]

No, I choose to uphold immigration law, and not be an advocate for ignoring our laws because of the political implications or because of political schemes that attempt to skirt the laws for a broad left-wing agenda.

Immigration laws says you are entitled to due process before deportation and removal because any law made must follow the 5th amendment to the consitution. If you're choosing to upload immigration law why aren't you doing so in this case? Immigration law certainly doesn't say, that you can randomly be picked up off the street, dragged into a van, and deported to another country to be imprisoned and tortured. Even Trump's own administration admits it was a mistake to deport him. Now that a judge has ordered he'd be brought back what is Trump going to do? So far he's defied the judge's order. This is nothing short of naked fascism we're seeing here and a defiance of the 5th amendment.

 

[krichton]

SCOTUS said nope. Why can't you all ever take the word of SCOTUS

The supreme court ruled that Garcia must be brought back to the United States. We are taking the word of SCOTUS, in this case, but it seems that you're not! Projecting much?