Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[Correll]

ypical snotty infantile response. Irrelevant to everything I carefully laid out in my own comment. This is why I don’t hang about here…

Cubans have shown for 60 years, like Vietnamese before them, that they can survive on rice and beans if necessary. Their creativity and determination in fighting back against Yankee imperialism’s embargo is legendary.

It was Stalinists who put up the Berlin Wall. Leave it to idiot American politicians to build a “Cuban Wall,” and act out the “definition of insanity” by doing the same stupid thing again and again and again, and expecting different results.

The Berlin Wall was to prevent people from fleeing a communist hellhole. The sanctions are to prevent people from trading with and thus supporting a communist regime.


That is not the same thing. That you imply it is, is you showing the weakness of your position.

 

[Sunsettommy]

You’re ridiculous. You have no understanding of the numerous activities undertaken by the US government to harm the Cuban people. You don’t know that the US has had an embargo in effect since 1960. You don’t know that the US has pressured the world not to trade with Cuba.

Get informed.

You are a fuck wit for ignoring hard evidence I posted showing that 30 plus nations are trading with CUBA.

You haven't once disputed my evidence I posted, you just run off at the mouth because you are IDIOT!

STOP LYING!

 

[gipper]

You are a fuck wit for ignoring hard evidence I posted showing that 30 plus nations are trading with CUBA.

You haven't once disputed my evidence I posted, you just run off at the mouth because you are IDIOT!

STOP LYING!

You are an idiot. You think a 60 year embargo by the world’s largest economy did no harm to Cuba. You can’t think.

 

[Sunsettommy]

You are an idiot. You think a 60 embargo by the world’s largest economy did no harm to Cuba. You can’t think.

You have never posted evidence to support your assertions of which I showed by official trade numbers to be false, why do you persist in your stupidity?

You seem unaware that Cuba is a TINY nation, just 11 Million people, thus it doesn't take that much trade from 0ver 25 nations to be able to fill its needs, plus America has been trading with them in recent years as well.

Did you even look at my links at all?

 

[gipper]

You have never posted evidence to support your assertions of which I showed by official trade numbers to be false, why do you persist in your stupidity?

You seem unaware that Cuba is a TINY nation, just 11 Million people, thus it doesn't take that much trade from 0ver 25 nations to be able to fill its needs, plus America has been trading with them in recent years as well.

Did you even look at my links at all?

I posted evidence very early in this thread, but you chose to ignore it. The harm on the Cuban people by the US embargo is well documented. This isn’t hard to understand.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I posted evidence very early in this thread, but you chose to ignore it. The harm on the Cuban people by the US embargo is well documented. This isn’t hard to understand.

I saw it, it was so stupid I didn't bother, but you persist in your delusions, here is the drivel you were gobsmacked over:

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"Yes the US has been deliberately strangling Cuba with the goal of fomenting unrest. Yes it has been attempting regime change ops in Cuba up to and including invasions and hundreds of assassination attempts. No you may not blame the US for unrest in Cuba, you goddamn tankie freak.

If you try to connect unrest in Cuba with the USA's extensive history of interventionism there, people yell at you for denying the Cuban people's "agency". Agency, agency, agency, agency. They'll factor in all sorts of agency except the Central Intelligence kind.

It's wild how the US has an intelligence agency whose actual job is causing instability and unrest in nations who disobey the its dictates, and it has a very extensive and well-documented history of doing so, but you get called a crazy idiot if you say "CIA" during periods of unrest and instability in those nations.

Only a deranged lunatic would suggest that the CIA might be doing the thing it literally always does."

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ZERO evidence posted, it is a rant to idiot!

Then Toddserpatriot POSTED this:

The United States embargo against Cuba prevents American businesses, and businesses with commercial activities in the United States, from conducting trade with Cuban interests. It is the most enduring trade embargo in modern history. The United States first imposed an embargo on the sale of arms to Cuba on March 14, 1958, during the Fulgencio Batista regime. Again on October 19, 1960 (almost two years after the Cuban Revolution had led to the deposition of the Batista regime) the U.S. placed an embargo on exports to Cuba except for food and medicine after Cuba nationalized American-owned Cuban oil refineries without compensation. On February 7, 1962 the embargo was extended to include almost all exports. Since the year 2000, the embargo no longer prohibits the trade of food and humanitarian supplies.[1]

As of 2018, the embargo is enforced mainly through six statutes: the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, the Cuban Assets Control Regulations of 1963, the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, the Helms–Burton Act of 1996, and the Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act of 2000.[2] The stated purpose of the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992 is to maintain sanctions on Cuba as long as the Cuban government refuses to move toward "democratization and greater respect for human rights".[3] The Helms-Burton Act further restricted United States citizens from doing business in or with Cuba, and mandated restrictions on giving public or private assistance to any successor government in Havana unless and until certain claims against the Cuban government were met. In 1999 President Bill Clinton expanded the trade embargo by also disallowing foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies to trade with Cuba. In 2000, Clinton authorized the sale of food and "humanitarian" products to Cuba."

bolding mine

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This excerpt is filled with sources.....

 

[gipper]

I saw it, it was so stupid I didn't bother, but you persist in your delusions, here is the drivel you were gobsmacked over:

=====

"Yes the US has been deliberately strangling Cuba with the goal of fomenting unrest. Yes it has been attempting regime change ops in Cuba up to and including invasions and hundreds of assassination attempts. No you may not blame the US for unrest in Cuba, you goddamn tankie freak.

If you try to connect unrest in Cuba with the USA's extensive history of interventionism there, people yell at you for denying the Cuban people's "agency". Agency, agency, agency, agency. They'll factor in all sorts of agency except the Central Intelligence kind.

It's wild how the US has an intelligence agency whose actual job is causing instability and unrest in nations who disobey the its dictates, and it has a very extensive and well-documented history of doing so, but you get called a crazy idiot if you say "CIA" during periods of unrest and instability in those nations.

Only a deranged lunatic would suggest that the CIA might be doing the thing it literally always does."

=====

ZERO evidence posted, it is a rant to idiot!

Then Toddserpatriot POSTED this:

The United States embargo against Cuba prevents American businesses, and businesses with commercial activities in the United States, from conducting trade with Cuban interests. It is the most enduring trade embargo in modern history. The United States first imposed an embargo on the sale of arms to Cuba on March 14, 1958, during the Fulgencio Batista regime. Again on October 19, 1960 (almost two years after the Cuban Revolution had led to the deposition of the Batista regime) the U.S. placed an embargo on exports to Cuba except for food and medicine after Cuba nationalized American-owned Cuban oil refineries without compensation. On February 7, 1962 the embargo was extended to include almost all exports. Since the year 2000, the embargo no longer prohibits the trade of food and humanitarian supplies.[1]

As of 2018, the embargo is enforced mainly through six statutes: the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, the Cuban Assets Control Regulations of 1963, the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, the Helms–Burton Act of 1996, and the Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act of 2000.[2] The stated purpose of the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992 is to maintain sanctions on Cuba as long as the Cuban government refuses to move toward "democratization and greater respect for human rights".[3] The Helms-Burton Act further restricted United States citizens from doing business in or with Cuba, and mandated restrictions on giving public or private assistance to any successor government in Havana unless and until certain claims against the Cuban government were met. In 1999 President Bill Clinton expanded the trade embargo by also disallowing foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies to trade with Cuba. In 2000, Clinton authorized the sale of food and "humanitarian" products to Cuba."

bolding mine

Keep you head firmly placed up your ass.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Keep you head firmly placed up your ass.

I accept the fact that you have no evidence to show that Cuba isn't trading with many nations of the world, while showed they have been trading with nations since 1964 when America went to a full embargo, but 7 nations never complied. You never factually disputed it

While I showed that over 25 nations have been trading with Cuba since at least year 2000, and showed that 7 nations traded with Cuba since 1964 and that in 1975, the rest of the world became free to trade with Cuba, only America persisted in the embargo which became irrelevant after 1975. You never factually disputed it

I also accept the fact that you have never once factually showed any of my linked replies being false. You ignored them over and over. That is a fact you can't dispute

I accept the fact that you are full of wind and piss.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You are an idiot. You think a 60 year embargo by the world’s largest economy did no harm to Cuba. You can’t think.

I am your better and smarter than you as everyone knows.

It has done no haerm youy retard and thaty si fact

Suck on it and deal with being my bitch

 

[Correll]

We have no obligation to trade with anyone, least of all, our enemies.

Is Cuba still funding groups that are engaged on wars and want to kill US?

 

[Aletheia4u]

The Globalist have infiltrated their own paid provocateurs all around the world to create instability. And that is why they have these Bilderberg's meetings done in secret. To discuss about what countries to collapsed their economy .
Lee Harvey Oswald was a paid provocateur/ informant.

Our government went around hiring to work for their organizations as spies, like the organization INFRAGARD, a government non-profit organization. And remember, i said government.
I wonder who own this organization, Maybe it belongs to the Rockefellers.


InfraGard is a non-profit organization serving as a public-private partnership between U.S. businesses and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The organization is an information sharing and analysis effort serving the interests, and combining the knowledge base of, a wide range of private sector and government members.[1] InfraGard is an association of individuals that facilitates information sharing and intelligence between businesses, academic institutions, state and local law enforcement agencies, and other participants dedicated to prevent hostile acts against the United States.[2] InfraGard's mutual nondisclosure agreements among its members (individuals) and the FBI promotes trusted discussions of vulnerabilities and solutions that companies and individuals may be hesitant to place in the public domain and provide access to additional threat information from the FBI.

InfraGard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

W. Tracy Parnell​

Posted June 15, 2015​

When interviewed by the FBI, Landesberg told the agents that he was a paid agitator and that someone else gave him the information about Oswald. There is no indication these agents asked Landesberg anything about his knowledge or involvement with Oswald in 1961-62. Nor did they ask Landesberg who paid him to disrupt rallies.

Harvey and Lee: John Armstrong

educationforum.ipbhost.com

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

President Biden’s policy today reminds me of President Bill Clinton’s policy after the August 1994 anti-regime protest called the “Maleconazo” on the downtown Havana waterfront. Clinton ended up tightening the embargo he inherited, and limited the rights of Cuban-Americans to send assistance to immediate family on the island. Worse still, he signed the Helms-Burton Act, which made it much harder for any future President to end the embargo. That was after the USSR collapsed and Cuba had entered its “special period” of intense scarcity and suffering — far worse than today.

Hillary Clinton later admitted Bill knew the embargo he inherited was self-defeating. Her husband nevertheless capitulated to those Florida and anti-communist extremists who thought the time was right to make the Cubans suffer some more! After the USSR fell, many DID expect Cuba to collapse. Didn’t work then and won’t work now.

Of course then Bill Clinton as well as Republican “advocates of freedom” and “enemies of socialism” in Cuba were mainly interested in helping Wall Street corporations financialize the U.S. economy. Why not? We had just beat the Soviets and Yeltsin was our drunken puppet. The future was ours! We could build factories anywhere in the world, wherever they were most profitable, and who was going to stop us? The result was U.S. de-industrialization, with the Federal Reserve back-stopping our stock markets in a kind of “Socialism for Wall Street.”

 

[Correll]

President Biden’s policy today reminds me of President Bill Clinton’s policy after the August 1994 anti-regime protest called the “Maleconazo” on the downtown Havana waterfront. Clinton ended up tightening the embargo he inherited, and limited the rights of Cuban-Americans to send assistance to immediate family on the island. Worse still, he signed the Helms-Burton Act, which made it much harder for any future President to end the embargo. That was after the USSR collapsed and Cuba had entered its “special period” of intense scarcity and suffering — far worse than today.

Hillary Clinton later admitted Bill knew the embargo he inherited was self-defeating. Her husband nevertheless capitulated to those Florida and anti-communist extremists who thought the time was right to make the Cubans suffer some more! After the USSR fell, many DID expect Cuba to collapse. Didn’t work then and won’t work now.

Of course then Bill Clinton as well as Republican “advocates of freedom” and “enemies of socialism” in Cuba were mainly interested in helping Wall Street corporations financialize the U.S. economy. Why not? We had just beat the Soviets and Yeltsin was our drunken puppet. The future was ours! We could build factories anywhere in the world, wherever they were most profitable, and who was going to stop us? The result was U.S. de-industrialization, with the Federal Reserve back-stopping our stock markets in a kind of “Socialism for Wall Street.”

That is why having a president like Bill Clinton was a bad idea. He was happy to do what he considered wrong, to position himself well politically.


The Republicans, most of them at least, at least were sincere in their anti-communism.

The de-industrialization of America started long before Clinton. NOt sure why you brought it up here.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Castro's popularity shows how much better he was than Batista.

Wrong.

Castro was far worse than Batista and his popularity is nothing moe than manufactured propoganda

No one attempted to flee when Batista was running it

You are lying through your teeth again

 

[Soupnazi630]

The country with the biggest military can do what ever it wants, without much military risk, but it is still illegal and immoral what we do.

What we do is both legal and moral

 

[Soupnazi630]

The unrest in Cuba is recent, and the government of Cuba was historically popular.

It is unpopular and the unrest began from the first moment the communists took over