Is The Republican Party Gone (w/ Charlie Sykes)

[Daryl Hunt]

Charlie Sykes sounds very much like I do. He skirts around it but it looks like he would support rolling back the GOP to the Eisenhower 1956 Republican Party Plank.

 

[gipper]

Why bother? Just terminate the R Party. Do the same to the D Party too, since both are near identical twins.

 

[Mac1958]

Charlie Sykes sounds very much like I do. He skirts around it but it looks like he would support rolling back the GOP to the Eisenhower 1956 Republican Party Plank.

It surely isn't what it was. It's been overtaken, for now at least, by people who don't worry about promoting "conservative values" or "limited government". They're thrown their lot behind a vulgar, flamboyant, un-conservative, authoritarian, nationalist strongman who is essentially his own party.

We'll see how it recovers once he's gone. But we need it to recover, because we need two strong, viable, credible parties. At LEAST two.

 

[rightwinger]

 

[Mac1958]

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I kind of wish I hadn't seen that.

Truly a different party.

 

[Ungern]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

 

[miketx]

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Total bullshit from lying commies.

 

[kyzr]

The Republican Party being described doesn't/didn't exist. Balanced Budgets, conservative values, free trade, just didn't happen. As they described, Reagan tripled the Debt, and GOP presidents ever since grew the Debt.
Conservative values, like in US Supreme court justices. Trump passes that test.
Free Trade? Bullshit. The old GOP only wants to move US factories overseas, and have unfair trade deals.

The Old GOP is dead. Its been replaced by the new "non-racist" populist GOP.
Trump actually did more for minorities than the Obama admin did in their 8-years.

So IMHO Never-Trumpers can just drop dead.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

There is nothing at this time we can do to fix the Democratic Party. It's broken as well. But with the Republican party being even more shattered, there is no incentive to fix the Democratic Party. We need to have a decent opposition party to go against the Democratic Party and send them a message. If we go back to the 1956 plank like some of us want to, the Dems will go into a tailspin they have never experienced before.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Republican Party being described doesn't/didn't exist. Balanced Budgets, conservative values, free trade, just didn't happen. As they described, Reagan tripled the Debt, and GOP presidents ever since grew the Debt.
Conservative values, like in US Supreme court justices. Trump passes that test.
Free Trade? Bullshit. The old GOP only wants to move US factories overseas, and have unfair trade deals.

The Old GOP is dead. Its been replaced by the new "non-racist" populist GOP.
Trump actually did more for minorities than the Obama admin did in their 8-years.

So IMHO Never-Trumpers can just drop dead.

Pack your bags. You are going on a very looooooong vacation. And a very lonely one.

 

[Polishprince]

Charlie Sykes sounds very much like I do. He skirts around it but it looks like he would support rolling back the GOP to the Eisenhower 1956 Republican Party Plank.

If President Trump were to lose this fall, I'm sure that the mainstream of the GOP led by John Kasich, George Conway, Joe Walsh and Colin Powell will take the party back over, and reestablish the party as one which seeks to finish 2nd in national elections. All isn't lost for never-trumpers so Mr. Sykes shouldn't despair.

 

[kyzr]

The Republican Party being described doesn't/didn't exist. Balanced Budgets, conservative values, free trade, just didn't happen. As they described, Reagan tripled the Debt, and GOP presidents ever since grew the Debt.
Conservative values, like in US Supreme court justices. Trump passes that test.
Free Trade? Bullshit. The old GOP only wants to move US factories overseas, and have unfair trade deals.

The Old GOP is dead. Its been replaced by the new "non-racist" populist GOP.
Trump actually did more for minorities than the Obama admin did in their 8-years.

So IMHO Never-Trumpers can just drop dead.

Pack your bags. You are going on a very looooooong vacation. And a very lonely one.

How so? You counting on the USPS to decide the election?

 

[Polishprince]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

There is nothing at this time we can do to fix the Democratic Party. It's broken as well. But with the Republican party being even more shattered, there is no incentive to fix the Democratic Party. We need to have a decent opposition party to go against the Democratic Party and send them a message. If we go back to the 1956 plank like some of us want to, the Dems will go into a tailspin they have never experienced before.

What "message" do you think that the GOP needs to send that will convince millions of libs to abandon the D's?

There will certainly be enough room in the GOP ranks for the D's after they run out tens of millions of Christians and Trumpsters. But you still need a message.

 

[Mac1958]

Charlie Sykes sounds very much like I do. He skirts around it but it looks like he would support rolling back the GOP to the Eisenhower 1956 Republican Party Plank.

Thanks for posting this, it's a great conversation.

I like the way Sykes brings up the possibility of an informal "center-left/center-right coalition". That would save us from having to reform the two "major" whacked-out parties.

I also like Sykes' metaphor, "the house is on fire, we first have to put the fire out, then we'll worry about the redecorating later."

And finally, I loved "right now, I think politics is more about values. I can disagree with you on eight out of ten specific policy issues, but if I think that you are an honorable, decent, empathetic person, we can do business". Outstanding.

 

[j-mac]

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I kind of wish I hadn't seen that.

Truly a different party.

Yes it sure was Mac....But, as most things, we have to look back at those times with the context they deserve....Think about it, Kennedy sounded more like a conservative, and one that today's leftest would reject....

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Charlie Sykes sounds very much like I do. He skirts around it but it looks like he would support rolling back the GOP to the Eisenhower 1956 Republican Party Plank.

It surely isn't what it was. It's been overtaken, for now at least, by people who don't worry about promoting "conservative values" or "limited government". They're thrown their lot behind a vulgar, flamboyant, un-conservative, authoritarian, nationalist strongman who is essentially his own party.

We'll see how it recovers once he's gone. But we need it to recover, because we need two strong, viable, credible parties. At LEAST two.

Not even a good try. McCarthy was right, and the current Democratic Party has become an clear hybrid of socialism and Orwellian totalitarianism, completely disassociated from constitutional precepts and foundational American thought.

Their idiot Sturmabteilung-like supporters would do well to review history as to the fate of such supporters.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

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"Provide asylum for refugees - Deport immigtants."

A reasonable place to start. Let us consider "Operation Wetback" from two years earlier, shall we?

 

[rightwinger]

Think about it, Kennedy sounded more like a conservative, and one that today's leftest would reject....

Conservative propaganda trying to make JFK one of their own.

JFK supported Civil Rights, universal healthcare, welfare, social programs.

 

[Polishprince]

And finally, I loved "right now, I think politics is more about values. I can disagree with you on eight out of ten specific policy issues, but if I think that you are an honorable, decent, empathetic person, we can do business". Outstanding.

That's exactly the problem the D's have. Millions of Americans don't think that Sleepy Joe and his corrupt son are honorable and decent people. Nor is the Homewrecker Kamala.

If I were advising the Democrats I'd tell them to dump Biden-Harris for someone more decent and honorable like Mike Avenatti.

 

[rightwinger]

I like the way Sykes brings up the possibility of an informal "center-left/center-right coalition". That would save us from having to reform the two "major" whacked-out parties.

I would love to see that. Right now, both parties are being run from the extremes. That is why we are in Gridlock. There is no middle ground.

A coalition of centrists could command every issue. Anything that gets done would have to go through the centrists