An Old, Old Tactic By the GOP

It's my guess after the world collapse we'll probably convert to another system before that happens.
We need to return to our agrarian and craftsman roots. After the collapse the land will recover and those who remain can start with a clean slate. So the future actually doesn't look all that bad.

We can't maintain this house of cards by adding more cards.:omg:
 
We need to return to our agrarian and craftsman roots. After the collapse the land will recover and those who remain can start with a clean slate. So the future actually doesn't look all that bad.

We can't maintain this house of cards by adding more cards.:omg:
Relearning all that we've lost or boldly going where no man's been before. I imagine most won't make the trip either way. This is a beautiful world to visit but I wouldn't want to live here any longer than this last lifetime here.
 
Relearning all that we've lost or boldly going where no man's been before. I imagine most won't make the trip either way. This is a beautiful world to visit but I wouldn't want to live here any longer than this last lifetime here.
The only saving grace for people like me who love the outdoors is the fact that most people confine themselves to the cities. If spread across the land they would quickly destroy what is left.
 
I'm not ignoring it.

I just didn't mention it.

Currently the margin across the swing states is in the low double digit thousands per state. What I'm saying is that the democrats should comfortably not have to worry about Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. There is a segment of the democratic party rank and file that has it's head up it's ass when it comes to presidential politics. Unfortunately for them and liberals like myself, a lot of them are in swing states. I personally know someone who isn't voting for Harris (she would have voted for Biden) because they didn't have her running in the primary. Its bizarre.

But that is the democratic party for you. shrugs

I wonder if they'll try that "vote swap" nonsense again...to where someone pledges to vote for the blob in DNC and swaps their vote with someone in Pennsylvania who pledges to vote for Harris.
Harris is slightly ahead in most of the polls and she has the momentum. However, there are three big events that could determine the election. First being the debates and then the October surprises. I expect both campaigns to get down and dirty in October.

Lastly, the Trump sentencing is now set for Sept 18th. It will likely have some impact on voting, assuming it happens. SOCTUS said they will not block the sentencing, however the judge is considering whether Trump's limited immunity will protect him. Assuming he will be sentenced, the possible sentences are:

Jail Time- Such a sentence would be overturned but it would remind voters that he is a convicted felon.
Stiff Fine - Probably the best political outcome.
Jail time with sentence suspended and required probation, probably the worst politically but typical for first offenders of this type crime. It would not only call attention to his felony convictions and the seriousness of the crimes but it would create questions as to how he will function as president and what restrictions the court will require. The Harris Campaign would have a field day with this.
 
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Harris is slightly ahead in most of the polls and she has the momentum. However, there are three big events that could determine the election. First being the debates and then the October surprises. I expect both campaigns to get down and dirty in October.

Lastly, the Trump sentencing is now set for Sept 18th. It will likely have some impact on voting, assuming it happens. SOCTUS said they will not block the sentencing, however the judge is considering whether Trump's limited immunity will protect him. Assuming he will be sentenced, the possible sentences are:

Jail Time- Such a sentence would be overturned but it would remind voters that he is a convicted felon.
Stiff Fine - Probably the best political outcome.
Jail time with sentence suspended and required probation, probably the worst politically but typical for first offenders of this type crime. It would not only call attention to his felony conviction and the seriousness but it would create questions as to how he will function as president and what restrictions the court will require. The Harris Campaign would have a field day with this.
I agree with everything you just said. My point was that the democratic voters--the party rank and file seem to think there is a consolation prize worth having. Biden should have been up by 10 points based only on Trump’s criminal record. There shouldn’t be any question about who the better candidate is (or was). In odd numbered years, I totally get trying to pull the reins of your party’s candidate one way or another; to the left or the right. But If someone asks you who you’ll vote for next year, there should be only one answer if you’re really a Democrat (or a Republican)...the nominee of your House district, your Party’s nominee for Senator (if there is a race for the seat that year) or your Party’s nominee for President. In federal politics; it makes zero sense to split your ticket. In this day and age of the Democrats being center left and the republicans being so far right, they are living on Pluto, it should be an easy decision. If you don’t support Harris or if you didn’t support Biden...

  • 40+M Ameicans will potentially lose access to health insurance if the blob is elected. Almost all of them are the working poor or unemployed.
  • A national abortion ban will be introduced with serious backing.
  • More tax cuts for millionaires

What Democrat of any stripe supports that? Yet you actually have Democrats who are on the fence? There isn’t any other way to say it; it’s bizarre
 
I agree with everything you just said. My point was that the democratic voters--the party rank and file seem to think there is a consolation prize worth having. Biden should have been up by 10 points based only on Trump’s criminal record. There shouldn’t be any question about who the better candidate is (or was). In odd numbered years, I totally get trying to pull the reins of your party’s candidate one way or another; to the left or the right. But If someone asks you who you’ll vote for next year, there should be only one answer if you’re really a Democrat (or a Republican)...the nominee of your House district, your Party’s nominee for Senator (if there is a race for the seat that year) or your Party’s nominee for President. In federal politics; it makes zero sense to split your ticket. In this day and age of the Democrats being center left and the republicans being so far right, they are living on Pluto, it should be an easy decision. If you don’t support Harris or if you didn’t support Biden...

  • 40+M Ameicans will potentially lose access to health insurance if the blob is elected. Almost all of them are the working poor or unemployed.
  • A national abortion ban will be introduced with serious backing.
  • More tax cuts for millionaires

What Democrat of any stripe supports that? Yet you actually have Democrats who are on the fence? There isn’t any other way to say it; it’s bizarre
You make several good points. I will address one of them. We often think of political officiation as being democrat, republican or independent. That goes back to the days when people had to declare themselves as a member of a party or independent in order to vote. Today we have democrats, republicans, those that lean democrat or republican, and independents and other minor parties. Modern campaigning is divided into two very distinct categories, the campaigning to bolster the party faithful, the rally and campaigning to convince the leaning voters and independents. On the democrat side, the later category will contain the voters that are just leaning one way or the other on various issues such as healthcare or government spending or the war in Gaza, etc. so the campaigning must be softer, more logical, more issue specific than the rally style campaigning that bolster the party faithful.
 
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You make several good points. I will address one of them. We often think of political officiation as being democrat, republican or independent. That goes back to the days when people had to declare themselves as a member of a party or independent in order to vote. Today we have democrats, republicans, those that lean democrat or republican, and independents and other minor parties. Modern campaigning is divided into two very distinct categories, the campaigning to bolster the party faithful, the rally and campaigning to convince the leaning voters and independents. On the democrat side, the later category will contain the voters that are just leaning one way or the other on various issues such as healthcare or government spending or the war in Gaza, etc. so the campaigning must be softer, more logical, more issue specific than the rally style campaigning that bolster the party faithful.
True.

I get called a "democrat" every day here. While it is true I vote for mostly democats these days, it isn't because I'm a democrat...its because the GOP has abandoned any hint toward being sane in many cases. I would argue, however, that when it comes to the federal government, any deviation between the parties is, well, idiotic. I really don't understand how you can oscillate between Trump and any democrat. And, for that matter, I really don't understand how you can "stay home" in any case. If you're a concerned citizen, you pick whichever of the two major party candidates is closest to where you are on the issues and hope for the best. If you (not meaning you personally) can show me a candidate that thinks exactly the way I do on 100% of the issues, I'll vote for them. But the odds of that happening are few and far between. Its always a compromise.
 
True.

I get called a "democrat" every day here. While it is true I vote for mostly democats these days, it isn't because I'm a democrat...its because the GOP has abandoned any hint toward being sane in many cases. I would argue, however, that when it comes to the federal government, any deviation between the parties is, well, idiotic. I really don't understand how you can oscillate between Trump and any democrat. And, for that matter, I really don't understand how you can "stay home" in any case. If you're a concerned citizen, you pick whichever of the two major party candidates is closest to where you are on the issues and hope for the best. If you (not meaning you personally) can show me a candidate that thinks exactly the way I do on 100% of the issues, I'll vote for them. But the odds of that happening are few and far between. Its always a compromise.
Approximately 1/3 of adult American don't vote in national elections. The reasons are varied as are age groups, educational level and race. One thing that studies show is most people who do not usually vote and decide to vote do so because they saw the candidate and liked what they saw. Strangely, the issues are not very important to these people.
 
Approximately 1/3 of adult American don't vote in national elections. The reasons are varied as are age groups, educational level and race. One thing that studies show is most people who do not usually vote and decide to vote do so because they saw the candidate and liked what they saw. Strangely, the issues are not very important to these people.
Well, I get disassociation. If you don't think politics matter to you, thats fine. What just irks me--about democrats in particular since I'm a proud liberal--is the Bernie type of...well....moron who is all or nothing. As if the republican who may win due to your apathy will be better for the nation than the Democrat you decided not to vote for.
 
Well, I get disassociation. If you don't think politics matter to you, thats fine. What just irks me--about democrats in particular since I'm a proud liberal--is the Bernie type of...well....moron who is all or nothing. As if the republican who may win due to your apathy will be better for the nation than the Democrat you decided not to vote for.
The Democrat Party is the populist party. It appeals to more demographic groups than the Republican Party. You'll find the democrats well represented among the wealthiest and the poorest, the oldest and youngest. Therefore their message is going have to be more general than republicans. They spend more time trying to make the public like the candidate, more baby kissing, more smiles, and more empathy and less time on specific issues.
 
The Democrat Party is the populist party. It appeals to more demographic groups than the Republican Party. You'll find the democrats well represented among the wealthiest and the poorest, the oldest and youngest. Therefore their message is going have to be more general than republicans. They spend more time trying to make the public like the candidate, more baby kissing, more smiles, and more empathy and less time on specific issues.
Again..I understand this. What I don’t understand is the crazy expectations of the Democratic Party voters who refuse to vote for their party’s nominee who may pay lip service to some specific issues...when the alternative in our two party system is openly hostile to the specific issues in question. Do they really think the republican President is going to be more open minded than a fellow democrat?
 
Historically inaccurate. The GOP has never been the party of the KKK and Jim Crow. We also in current times aren’t the party that runs and promotes nominees because of only skin color or gender. The democrats are the only party who chose a VP from a limited pool of they must be a POC and they must be a woman. The best person wasn’t even a consideration.

The GOP doesn’t have Zoom meetings for just white dudes or just white women. We either have a meeting everyone is invited to or we don’t do it.

Your calls of racism fall flat and should actually embarrass you to the point you change your racist ways.

Trump Republicans are a tiny minority. Traditional Republicans are repulsed by Trump.

Trump has a lot to say about Hispanics, women, gays, mixed race people like JD Vance's children.
 
Trump Republicans are a tiny minority. Traditional Republicans are repulsed by Trump.

Trump has a lot to say about Hispanics, women, gays, mixed race people like JD Vance's children.
Bullshit.
 
The Democrat Party is the populist party. It appeals to more demographic groups than the Republican Party. You'll find the democrats well represented among the wealthiest and the poorest, the oldest and youngest. Therefore their message is going have to be more general than republicans. They spend more time trying to make the public like the candidate, more baby kissing, more smiles, and more empathy and less time on specific issues.
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I don't like any leaders over me, I don't need them, that should be known now. Actually most of us really know how to live. But of all of those who might hold the supreme office, Donald Trump will be the worst. I am sure I am right that we could do away with top government and be fine.
 
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