Is the national debt of the United States significantly a practical joke?

To what degree is the USA National Debt a deliberate Practical Joke?

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  • 10 to nineteen percent a practical joke on ninety nine percent of Americans

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  • Twenty to twenty nine percent a practical joke on ninety nine percent of Americans.

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  • Thirty to thirty nine percent a practical joke on Americans.

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  • More than forty percent a practical joke on Americans

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  • Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

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  • What Dr. Milton Friedman advocated would cause Hyper-Inflation like in Weimar Germany.

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A joke that is being played on ninety nine, point nine, nine percent of Americans by a tiny group of extremely wealthy and influential people and the owners of BigMedia and BigOil who cooperate with them?

Economist Milton Friedman gave the key to paying down the National Debt of the United States Rapidly,
an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement that is at the same rate, [the same number per month], but it is Unconditional and not based on your income last month or even last year, [which means that little or no bureaucracy or dishonest bureaucrats are needed to make this work].

Here is the way to finance all of this:


Abraham Lincoln is assassinated
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Abraham Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States in 1860, under the promise of abolishing the slavery of the blacks. Eleven southern States, favourable to the human slavery of the black race, then decided to secede from the Union, to withdraw from the United States of America: that was the beginning of the Civil War (1861–1865). Lincoln, being short of money to finance the North's war effort, went to the bankers of New York, who agreed to lend him money at interest rates varying from 24 to 36 percent. Lincoln refused, knowing perfectly well that this was usury and that it would lead the United States to ruin. But his money problem was still not settled!
His friend in Chicago, Colonel Dick Taylor, came to his rescue and put the solution to him:
“Just get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes, and pay your soldiers with them, and go ahead and win your war with them also.”
This is what Lincoln did, and he won the war: between 1862 and 1863, in full conformity with the provisions of the U.S. Constitution, Lincoln caused $450 million of debt-free Greenbacks to be issued, to conduct the Civil War. (These Treasury notes were called “Greenbacks” by the people because they were printed with green ink on the back.)
Lincoln called these Greenbacks “the greatest blessing the American people have ever had.” A blessing for all, except for the bankers, since it was putting an end to their racket, to the stealing of the nation's credit and issuing interest-bearing money. So they did everything possible to destroy these Greenbacks and sabotage Lincoln's work. Lord Goschen, spokesman of the Financiers, wrote in the London Times (Quote taken from Who Rules America by C. K. Howe, and reproduced in Lincoln Money Martyred by Dr. R. E. Search):
“If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. That Government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.” (The monarchy of the money lenders.)
First, in order to cast discredit on the Greenbacks, the bankers persuaded Congress to vote, in February of 1862, the “Exception Clause”, which said that the Greenbacks could not be used to pay the interest on the national debt, nor to pay taxes, excises, or import duties. Then, in 1863, having financed the election of enough Senators and Representatives, the bankers got the Congress to revoke the Greenback Law in 1863, and enact in its place the National Banking Act. (Money was then to be issued interest-bearing by privately-owned banks.)
This Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes. Lincoln heatedly protested, but his most urgent objective was to win the war and save the Union, which obliged him to put off till after the war the veto he was planning against this Act and the action he was to take against the bankers. Lincoln nevertheless declared:
“I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. And of the two, the bankers are my greatest foe.”
Lincoln was re-elected President in 1864, and he made it quite clear that he would attack the power of the bankers, once the war was over. The war ended on April 9, 1865, but Lincoln was assassinated five days later, on April 14. A tremendous restriction of credit followed, organized by the banks: the currency in circulation in the country, which was, in 1866, $1,907 million, representing $50.46 for each American citizen, had been reduced to $605 million in 1876, representing $14.60 per capita. The result: in ten years, 56,446 business failures, representing a loss of $2 billion. And as if this was not enough, the bankers reduced the per capita currency in circulation to $6.67 in 1887!
William Jennings Bryan: “The banks ought to get out”

[Alain Pilote]



And here is the goal that Economist Milton Friedman told us would be the key to greatly increasing the productivity of Americans by no longer rewarding lethargy and punishing productivity.


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x. The Distribution of IncomeFriedman examines the progressive income tax, introduced in order to redistribute income to make things more fair, and finds that, in fact, the rich take advantage of numerous loopholes, nullifying the redistributive effects. It would be far more fair just to have a uniform flat tax with no deductions, which could meet the 1962 tax revenues with a rate only slightly greater than the lowest tax bracket at that time.
xi. Social Welfare MeasuresThough well-intentioned, many social welfare measures don't help the poor as much as some think. Friedman focuses on Social Security as a particularly large and unfair system.
xii. Alleviation of PovertyFriedman regarded welfare programs as misguided and inefficient. To replace them, he advocates a negative income tax, giving everyone a guaranteed minimum income.
xiii. ConclusionThe conclusion to the book centers on how, time and time again, government intervention often has an effect opposite of that intended. Most good things in the United States and the world come from the free market, not the government, and they will continue to do so. The government, despite its good intentions, should stay out of areas where it does not need to be.



We must come to a better understanding of this topic now because Artificial Intelligence and robotics will likely cause twenty, thirty or even forty percent unemployment over the next two or three decades.


 
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A joke that is being played on ninety nine, point nine, nine percent of Americans by a tiny group of extremely wealthy and influential people and the owners of BigMedia and BigOil who cooperate with them?

Economist Milton Friedman gave the key to paying down the National Debt of the United States Rapidly,
an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement that is at the same rate, [the same number per month], but it is Unconditional and not based on your income last month or even last year, [which means that little or no bureaucracy or dishonest bureaucrats are needed to make this work].

Here is the way to finance all of this:





And here is the goal that Economist Milton Friedman told us would be the key to greatly increasing the productivity of Americans by no longer rewarding lethargy and punishing productivity.


Capitalism_and_Freedom.jpg






We must come to a better understanding of this topic now because Artificial Intelligence and robotics will likely cause twenty, thirty or even forty percent unemployment over the next two or three decades.




Economist Milton Friedman gave the key to paying down the National Debt of the United States Rapidly,
an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement


Where did he say giving everyone a handout is the key to paying down the debt?
 
The theory that most businesses and the Federal government go by is that, if you can cover the interest, that's all that is important. The National Debt will NEVER be paid off, and no one cares.

It is said that when the interest on the debt begins to starve other programs, that will induce Congress to exercise some constraint, but that presumes that Democrats will be removed somehow, which seems unlikely at present.

My own plan for balancing the budget is simply this: Appoint a committee of Constitutional scholars to go over the budget, line by line every fiscal year, and remove every penny of spending that is not within the "powers" of Congress under Article I.

Congress has NO POWER to spend our money on food, housing, public healthcare, education, or saving the planet.

Problem solved.
 
Economist Milton Friedman gave the key to paying down the National Debt of the United States Rapidly,
an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement


Where did he say giving everyone a handout is the key to paying down the debt?

I took his ideas and updated them and adapted them to the situation that we now face in 2026.

This is the 250 year anniversary of the American Revolutionary War but most Americans are not aware of the real reason why that war began.

The happiest population
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Benjamin Franklin
We are in 1750. The United States of America does not yet exist; it is the 13 Colonies of the American continent, forming “New England”, a possession of the motherland, England. Benjamin Franklin wrote about the population of that time: “Impossible to find a happier and more prosperous population on all the surface of the globe.” Going over to England to represent the interests of the Colonies, Franklin was asked how he accounted for the prosperous conditions prevailing in the Colonies, while poverty was rife in the motherland:
“That is simple,” Franklin replied. “In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one.”
The English bankers, being informed of that, had a law passed by the British Parliament prohibiting the Colonies from issuing their own money, and ordering them to use only the gold or silver debt-money that was provided in insufficient quantity by the English bankers. The circulating medium of exchange was thus reduced by half.
“In one year,” Franklin stated, “the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed.”
Then the Revolutionary War was launched against England, and was followed by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. History textbooks erroneously teach that it was the tax on tea that triggered the American Revolution. But Franklin clearly stated:
“The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters, had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament: which has caused in the Colonies hatred of England, and the Revolutionary War.”
The Founding Fathers of the United States, bearing all these facts in mind, and to protect themselves against the exploitation of the International Bankers, took good care to expressly declare, in the American Constitution, signed at Philadelphia, in 1787, Article 1, Section 8, paragraph 5:
“Congress shall have the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof.”

The bank of the bankers

 
The theory that most businesses and the Federal government go by is that, if you can cover the interest, that's all that is important. The National Debt will NEVER be paid off, and no one cares.

It is said that when the interest on the debt begins to starve other programs, that will induce Congress to exercise some constraint, but that presumes that Democrats will be removed somehow, which seems unlikely at present.

My own plan for balancing the budget is simply this: Appoint a committee of Constitutional scholars to go over the budget, line by line every fiscal year, and remove every penny of spending that is not within the "powers" of Congress under Article I.

Congress has NO POWER to spend our money on food, housing, public healthcare, education, or saving the planet.

Problem solved.

Which is why the wealthiest of the wealthy knew that they had to resort to drastic actions back in 1973 because they knew that they needed to make the whole situation appear to be much worse in order to magnify the Fear Factor that is necessary to keep people scared and intimidated.

The whole mess is actually so simple in many ways that only by controlling BigMedia can this fraud be continued against the vast majority.


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The only way to pay for the vast bulk of debt is to

Drive the Gold price to at least $20,000 an ounce as it is only book valued at $42.50 ( market price around $5,200 now) and scrap the Fed Dollar -- it is half dead already.
Replace the present Debt System .

AND
Monetise all mineral assets regardless of where they are .
Possibly worth ca.$150 trillion .

Currently US Debts including Obligations are at least $200 trillion .
 
I took his ideas and updated them and adapted them to the situation that we now face in 2026.

This is the 250 year anniversary of the American Revolutionary War but most Americans are not aware of the real reason why that war began.

You lied about what he said?
 
The only way to pay for the vast bulk of debt is to

Drive the Gold price to at least $20,000 an ounce as it is only book valued at $42.50 ( market price around $5,200 now) and scrap the Fed Dollar -- it is half dead already.
Replace the present Debt System .

AND
Monetise all mineral assets regardless of where they are .
Possibly worth ca.$150 trillion .

Currently US Debts including Obligations are at least $200 trillion .

An obligation isn't the same as debt.
 
You lied about what he said?

Other writers have taken his ideas and explained various ways to implement his ideas that could actually result in legislation that could be passed either in Ottawa, Canada or in Washington, D.C. A lot has happened since he first published his book "Capitalism and Freedom."
 
A joke that is being played on ninety nine, point nine, nine percent of Americans by a tiny group of extremely wealthy and influential people and the owners of BigMedia and BigOil who cooperate with them?

Economist Milton Friedman gave the key to paying down the National Debt of the United States Rapidly,
an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement that is at the same rate, [the same number per month], but it is Unconditional and not based on your income last month or even last year, [which means that little or no bureaucracy or dishonest bureaucrats are needed to make this work].

Here is the way to finance all of this:





And here is the goal that Economist Milton Friedman told us would be the key to greatly increasing the productivity of Americans by no longer rewarding lethargy and punishing productivity.


Capitalism_and_Freedom.jpg






We must come to a better understanding of this topic now because Artificial Intelligence and robotics will likely cause twenty, thirty or even forty percent unemployment over the next two or three decades.




Well, for the rich they get to lend money to the US govt and profit off it, all the while increasing the US debt so they can profit from the US govt and the people.

Why would you want the rich to be in charge of the government, when they doing everything to benefit themselves?
 
Other writers have taken his ideas and explained various ways to implement his ideas that could actually result in legislation that could be passed either in Ottawa, Canada or in Washington, D.C. A lot has happened since he first published his book "Capitalism and Freedom."

Right.

You lied.
 
A joke that is being played on ninety nine, point nine, nine percent of Americans by a tiny group of extremely wealthy and influential people and the owners of BigMedia and BigOil who cooperate with them?

Economist Milton Friedman gave the key to paying down the National Debt of the United States Rapidly,
an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement that is at the same rate, [the same number per month], but it is Unconditional and not based on your income last month or even last year, [which means that little or no bureaucracy or dishonest bureaucrats are needed to make this work].

Here is the way to finance all of this:





And here is the goal that Economist Milton Friedman told us would be the key to greatly increasing the productivity of Americans by no longer rewarding lethargy and punishing productivity.


Capitalism_and_Freedom.jpg






We must come to a better understanding of this topic now because Artificial Intelligence and robotics will likely cause twenty, thirty or even forty percent unemployment over the next two or three decades.



The key to paying down the debt is to rein in the Government not give them more power. The amount of control you lunatics want to give the Fed is terrifying.
 
The only way to pay for the vast bulk of debt is to

Drive the Gold price to at least $20,000 an ounce as it is only book valued at $42.50 ( market price around $5,200 now) and scrap the Fed Dollar -- it is half dead already.
Replace the present Debt System .

AND
Monetise all mineral assets regardless of where they are .
Possibly worth ca.$150 trillion .

Currently US Debts including Obligations are at least $200 trillion .

That may well be one possible method but here in Canada if a five hundred dollar per month Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement was paid out to all forty one million Canadians and was financed the way that the Bank of Canada was used from 1938 to 1974 then the Canadian federal deficit should begin to be PAID DOWN by twenty billion dollars per month after about three months or so for that money to turn over within the economy three times and thus be taxed back into the treasury.

If a five hundred dollars USA Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement was paid out to all three hundred and thirty million USA citizens then once that money turns over about four to five times in the USA economy then the USA federal deficit should begin to be PAID DOWN by one hundred and sixty five billion dollars per month, [you Americans pay less income tax than we Canadians do].

The key is to create this UBI Supplement in the same way that President Lincoln did to finance the Civil War.

[Melvin Sickler]:

Abraham Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln
During the Civil War (1861-1865), President Lincoln needed money to finance the War from the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. Lincoln was horrified and went away greatly distressed, for he was a man of principle and would not think of plunging his beloved country into a debt that the country would find impossible to pay back.

Eventually President Lincoln was advised to get Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point he wrote:

“... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had – their own paper money to pay their own debts...”

The Treasury notes were printed with green ink on the back, so the people called them “Greenbacks”.

Lincoln printed 400 million dollars worth of Greenbacks (the exact amount being $449,338,902), money that he delegated to be created, a debt-free and interest-free money to finance the War. It served as legal tender for all debts, public and private. He printed it, paid it to the soldiers, to the U.S. Civil Service employees, and bought supplies for war.

Shortly after that happened, “The London Times” printed the following: “If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

The Bankers obviously understood. The only thing, I repeat, the only thing that is a threat to their power is sovereign governments printing interest-free and debt-free paper money. They know it would break the power of the international Bankers.


In retaliation

After this was published in "The London Times", the British Government, which was controlled by the London and other European Bankers, moved to support the Confederate South, hoping to defeat Lincoln and the Union, and destroy this government which they said had to be destroyed.

They were stopped by two things. First, Lincoln knew the British people, and he knew that Britain would not support slavery, so he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, which declared that slavery in the United States was abolished. At this point, the London Bankers could not openly support the Confederacy because the British people simply would not stand for their country supporting slavery.

Second, the Czar of Russia sent a portion of the Russian navy to the United States with orders that its admiral would operate under the command of Abraham Lincoln. These ships of the Russian navy then became a threat to the ships of the British navy which had intended to break the blockade and help the South.

The North won the War, and the Union was preserved. America remained as one nation.

Of course, the Bankers were not going to give in that easy, for they were determined to put an end to Lincoln's interest-free, debt-free Greenbacks. He was assassinated by an agent of the Bankers shortly after the War ended.

Thereafter, Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted, in its place, the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.


In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest.

The Federal Reserve Act


Canada had an excellent Bank of Canada Policy that is thought to have been based on the President Lincoln Greenback Monetary Policy Experiment but P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau was somehow convinced to abandon that excellent policy in 1974.

The Bank of Canada was first established by Prime Minister Richard Bennet in 1935 as a private central bank, but was then nationalized by William Lyon Mackenzie King in 1938. By nationalizing the bank, Mackenzie King meant for it to belong to the people so the Canadian government could borrow funds with little or no interest for capital expenditures. The mandate of the newly nationalized Bank of Canada was to act as the banker to the government and to manage the public debt. As Mackenzie King famously said: “Once a nation parts with the control of their currency and credit, it matters not who makes that nation’s laws. Usury, once in control, will wreck any nation. Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most sacred responsibility, all talk of sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is idle and futile.”

So the Bank of Canada was nationalized in 1938 and the government could now borrow money with little or no interest. And it worked. The Canadian government built freeways, public transportation systems, subway line, airports, the St. Lawrence Seaway and funded a national health care system and the Canada Pension Plan. But then Trudeau, under the influence of the international financial group called Basel’s
Committee’s Recommendations (The Basel Committee on Banking Supervision) made the decision to halt the borrowing of money from the Bank of Canada, and instead, chose to borrow from the private banks who instead of lending to the government at no interest, or low interest, introduced higher interest rates along with compound interest.

All banks know very well the magic of compound interest. And Pierre Trudeau must have known that the mounting compounded national debt would lead to Canadians eventually owing a dollar fifty for every dollar of their disposable incomes. After all, he studied economics at the London School of Economics. Surely the professors there knew about compound interest.

So Pierre Trudeau, instead of feeling blessed that Canada, unlike the US, had a nationalized central bank, signed our bank away to the private banks. Couldn’t Trudeau, such an educated man, surmise that citizens in a few years would be struggling to make car payments and meet rent and mortgages and student loans and to buy healthy food while last year’s profits for the big five (that’s Royal Bank, TD Bank, Scotiabank, Bank of Montreal and CIBC amounted to $31.7 billion?) If he did, he didn’t care. But it doesn’t have to be this way. It really doesn’t. Our Bank of
Canada is still there. Next time." (Ms. Betty Krawczyk)

 
The key to paying down the debt is to rein in the Government not give them more power. The amount of control you lunatics want to give the Fed is terrifying.

All of this depends on President Trump's promise from back in 2016 of "AUDIT THE FED."

This is one of the only ways to take power away from Bureaucrats.
 
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The key is to create this UBI Supplement in the same way that President Lincoln did to finance the Civil War.

What you're describing is a form of monetizing the national debt. Lincoln did that by printing or creating money with nothing but the federal gov'ts promise to back it up as legal tender. A UBI for 330 million people would be an astronomical amount of new money that would result in the worst inflation in human history. What you end up with is a great deal of new money chasing the same amount of goods and services, far worse than the inflation we had with the COVID pandemic.

There's no easy way out if the fiscal mess we are in. I'm sorry, but there is no free lunch, the gov't will to have to bite the bullet and stop spending more money than they get in revenue. Consider:

Greenbacks fundamentally reshaped the post-Civil War economy by creating deep divisions over monetary policy that lasted decades. The government issued more than $450 million in paper currency during the war, and by 1867 the wartime economic boom had ended, sparking fierce conflict between creditors demanding their retirement and farmers seeking inflation to ease debt repayment.

Greenbacks created immediate inflationary pressure on the Northern economy because they were not backed by gold or silver. The greenback's value fluctuated wildly with the war's military fortunes when Union prospects looked dim in early 1864, the greenback dollar fell to under 40 cents and by war's end in 1865 it recovered only to around 67 cents, never reaching parity with gold-backed currency.


 
If a five hundred dollars USA Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement was paid out to all three hundred and thirty million USA citizens then once that money turns over about four to five times in the USA economy then the USA federal deficit should begin to be PAID DOWN by one hundred and sixty five billion dollars per month, [you Americans pay less income tax than we Canadians do].

Yeah, hyperinflation is a super groovy way to pay down the debt.

DURR
 
Yeah, hyperinflation is a super groovy way to pay down the debt.

DURR

I do admit that Americans and Canadians being able to pay off their debts and taxes will tend to produce at least some inflation in some sectors of the economy. I am of the belief though that a boom in real estate prices in rural or somewhat rural areas in the USA and Canada has a lot of positive potential?



[Pastor David Wilkerson] :

"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.

Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and
nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it
all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by
people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of
becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.

Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to
all but syndicates
." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).





 
The only way to pay for the vast bulk of debt is to

Drive the Gold price to at least $20,000 an ounce as it is only book valued at $42.50 ( market price around $5,200 now) and scrap the Fed Dollar -- it is half dead already.
Replace the present Debt System .

AND
Monetise all mineral assets regardless of where they are .
Possibly worth ca.$150 trillion .

Currently US Debts including Obligations are at least $200 trillion .


Personally I am of the belief that a boom in real estate prices, [especially of land and homes in rural USA or semi-rural USA], would be the best way to take the problem of re-defining the national debt of the USA into a realm where it would be easier to understand and deal with.

The ownership of gold and precious metals is the domain of the top one to five percent of the population but all of us aspire to own a home as well as the land that that home is built on.

[Pastor David Wilkerson] :

"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.

Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and
nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it
all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by
people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of
becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.

Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to
all but syndicates
." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).


 

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