Is the Bill of Rights Kaput?

[Auld Phart]

Also blows infringe, if half the population is excluded.

Also blows infringe, if half the population is excluded.

no, the people had no need to belong to a militia to be able to own firearms.

that's why claiming it's about militia is ridiculous.

 

[there4eyeM]

no, the people had no need to belong to a militia to be able to own firearms.

that's why claiming it's about militia is ridiculous.

Whatever.

 

[JoeB131]

learn to read.

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

the PEOPLE, NOT THE MILITIA

and it said that long before Heller.

learn to read the whole thing.

A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO A FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

There's a reason those two things were put together.

any idea of the requirements to be in a militia in those days?

age: 16-45
no females
sound of mind and body

kinda blows your "one who has arms" comment.

That's exactly the point, dummy. They certainly didn't want everyone to have a gun, only those they could vet and be responsible. Hence WELL-REGULATED.

They never, ever meant for Joker Holmes and Adam Lanza and Awake the Rapper to have military-grade weapons.

 

[Auld Phart]

learn to read the whole thing.

A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO A FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

There's a reason those two things were put together.



That's exactly the point, dummy. They certainly didn't want everyone to have a gun, only those they could vet and be responsible. Hence WELL-REGULATED.

They never, ever meant for Joker Holmes and Adam Lanza and Awake the Rapper to have military-grade weapons.

why did you only capitalize the part about the militias, when the rest CLEARLY states the right was given to the people, not the militia?

learn to read the whole thing.

They never, ever meant for Joker Holmes and Adam Lanza and Awake the Rapper to have military-grade weapons.

they used military grade weapons?

such as?

 

[JoeB131]

why did you only capitalize the part about the militias, when the rest CLEARLY states the right was given to the people, not the militia?

Because that was the part the founders put FIRST.

they used military grade weapons?

such as?

They all used AR-15's, which were identical (in all but one respect) to the M16 I carried when I was in the Army.

 

[Auld Phart]

Because that was the part the founders put FIRST.



They all used AR-15's, which were identical (in all but one respect) to the M16 I carried when I was in the Army.

in all but one respect)

and that ONE RESPECT prevented them from being MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS

and, anyone capable of reading, would realize the second half gave the right to the people, not THE MILITIA.


are YOU smart enough to realize that?

after all, it doesn't say the Right of the Militia to keep and bear Arms, does it?

 

[JoeB131]

and that ONE RESPECT prevented them from being MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS

Not at all. The range and firepower of the weapon make it military-grade.

and, anyone capable of reading, would realize the second half gave the right to the people, not THE MILITIA.

The people, collectively, not an individual right. Furthermore, it is right next to the third amendment, which has further restrictions on the militia.

are YOU smart enough to realize that?

after all, it doesn't say the Right of the Militia to keep and bear Arms, does it?

no, it says "the People", collectively, not an individual.

 

[Auld Phart]

Not at all. The range and firepower of the weapon make it military-grade.



The people, collectively, not an individual right. Furthermore, it is right next to the third amendment, which has further restrictions on the militia.



no, it says "the People", collectively, not an individual.

Furthermore, it is right next to the third amendment, which has further restrictions on the militia.

"Not at all. The range and firepower of the weapon make it military-grade."

wrong

the M1911 handgun was a military weapon. why is it not under attack?


"Third Amendment prohibits the quartering of soldiers in peacetime homes without consent and in wartime by law."

that's a stretch.

just like the rest of your post.

 

[surada]

are you under the silly impression someone needs to be in a militia to own a firearm?

Then don't equate gun ownership with a need for militias.

 

[Vastator]

The Democrats in Delaware probably don't even know the US has a Bill of Rights. Never studied the Constitution in school. They are so stupid they don't even understand what the simple phrase "shall not infringe" means. Consequences of being low IQ.

If you have to get government permission to enjoy a right specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights is it really a right at all? More like a suggestion, huh?

Is the Bill of Rights even worth the paper it is written on when the government can infringe upon rights that specifically say can't be infringed upon?

'Permit to purchase' handgun bill passed by lawmakers in Delaware; governor to sign into law

Anyone looking to buy a handgun in Delaware could soon face a multi-step process.

6abc.com

'Permit to purchase' handgun bill passed by lawmakers in Delaware; governor to sign into law​

DOVER, Delaware (WPVI) -- Anyone looking to buy a handgun in Delaware could soon face a multi-step process.

On Thursday, the Delaware Senate passed a bill outlining permit-to-purchase regulations for residents who want to buy handguns. Gov. John Carney has said he will sign the bill into law as soon as it gets to his desk.

Jeff Hague, the president of the Delaware State Sportsmen's Association, said he is disappointed the legislation passed.

"This is not common sense, gun safety, firearm legislation. It's nothing more than gun control," he told Action News.

Hague said he takes issue with the entire bill, telling Action News it interferes with a person's constitutional rights.

"All it does is interfere with the right of a law-abiding citizen to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It totally interferes with that process," he said. "You have to ask a government official who is not elected, is appointed, for permission to exercise your right to purchase a firearm."

It's been infringed long before this...

 

[surada]

"Third Amendment prohibits the quartering of soldiers in peacetime homes without consent and in wartime by law."

that's a stretch.

just like the rest of your post.

That's what it says. Haven't you ever read the Bill of Rights?

 

[surada]

It's been infringed long before this...

You have a problem with gun registration? How about driver's licenses?

 

[Vastator]

You have a problem with gun registration? How about driver's licenses?

Driving is not an enumerated right...

 

[Care4all]

The Democrats in Delaware probably don't even know the US has a Bill of Rights. Never studied the Constitution in school. They are so stupid they don't even understand what the simple phrase "shall not infringe" means. Consequences of being low IQ.

If you have to get government permission to enjoy a right specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights is it really a right at all? More like a suggestion, huh?

Is the Bill of Rights even worth the paper it is written on when the government can infringe upon rights that specifically say can't be infringed upon?

'Permit to purchase' handgun bill passed by lawmakers in Delaware; governor to sign into law

Anyone looking to buy a handgun in Delaware could soon face a multi-step process.

6abc.com

'Permit to purchase' handgun bill passed by lawmakers in Delaware; governor to sign into law​

DOVER, Delaware (WPVI) -- Anyone looking to buy a handgun in Delaware could soon face a multi-step process.

On Thursday, the Delaware Senate passed a bill outlining permit-to-purchase regulations for residents who want to buy handguns. Gov. John Carney has said he will sign the bill into law as soon as it gets to his desk.

Jeff Hague, the president of the Delaware State Sportsmen's Association, said he is disappointed the legislation passed.

"This is not common sense, gun safety, firearm legislation. It's nothing more than gun control," he told Action News.

Hague said he takes issue with the entire bill, telling Action News it interferes with a person's constitutional rights.

"All it does is interfere with the right of a law-abiding citizen to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It totally interferes with that process," he said. "You have to ask a government official who is not elected, is appointed, for permission to exercise your right to purchase a firearm."

How does it prevent law abiding citizens from getting guns?

And I was wondering why you limited it to law abiding citizens, when the 2nd amendment makes ZERO mention of "law abiding"?

 

[Auld Phart]

Then don't equate gun ownership with a need for militias.

I don't

That's what it says. Haven't you ever read the Bill of Rights?

I've not only read it, but I'm also able to comprehend it.
can you?

 

[Moonglow]

The Democrats in Delaware probably don't even know the US has a Bill of Rights. Never studied the Constitution in school. They are so stupid they don't even understand what the simple phrase "shall not infringe" means. Consequences of being low IQ.

If you have to get government permission to enjoy a right specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights is it really a right at all? More like a suggestion, huh?

Is the Bill of Rights even worth the paper it is written on when the government can infringe upon rights that specifically say can't be infringed upon?

'Permit to purchase' handgun bill passed by lawmakers in Delaware; governor to sign into law

Anyone looking to buy a handgun in Delaware could soon face a multi-step process.

6abc.com

'Permit to purchase' handgun bill passed by lawmakers in Delaware; governor to sign into law​

DOVER, Delaware (WPVI) -- Anyone looking to buy a handgun in Delaware could soon face a multi-step process.

On Thursday, the Delaware Senate passed a bill outlining permit-to-purchase regulations for residents who want to buy handguns. Gov. John Carney has said he will sign the bill into law as soon as it gets to his desk.

Jeff Hague, the president of the Delaware State Sportsmen's Association, said he is disappointed the legislation passed.

"This is not common sense, gun safety, firearm legislation. It's nothing more than gun control," he told Action News.

Hague said he takes issue with the entire bill, telling Action News it interferes with a person's constitutional rights.

"All it does is interfere with the right of a law-abiding citizen to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It totally interferes with that process," he said. "You have to ask a government official who is not elected, is appointed, for permission to exercise your right to purchase a firearm."

Are you daft on the meaning of what well regulated means?

 

[Care4all]

You have a problem with gun registration? How about driver's licenses?

And how about registering to vote, or voter I'd requirements?

 

[AMart]

Yep that's a totally illegal bill. Fucking retard demorats.

 

[AMart]

We have individual rights you leftists retards. You don't have to belong to a militia to own guns or work for ABC to engage in freedom of the press.

 

[JoeB131]

wrong

the M1911 handgun was a military weapon. why is it not under attack?

Because honestly, it's an awful weapon that even the military didn't want at a certain point.

that's a stretch.

just like the rest of your post.

It's not a stretch at all. In it's first draft, the Second was also supposed to have a restriction on conscripting religious objectors into the militia, but that was abandoned. The Second and THird were about militias, not guns.

Now that we no longer have militias, does it REALLY make sense to allow unfettered gun ownership without vetting?