Is something on the order of 1964's election what we are cruising toward?

[Anathema]

Why don't they just start their own party instead of taking over the GOP?.

A third party in a two party system doesn't do any good. Besides, the RNC invited us in when they could no longer beat the Democrats. They've just never lived up to their end of the deal.

 

[Flopper]

"Is something on the order of 1964's election what we are cruising toward?"

No.

Do you think the current trend toward Hillary will reverse in the fall? If so, why?

 

[Al Azar]

But who appointed conservatives to tell us what is proper?

Charting our own course is the American way. Forcing us down a different course is what we rejected.

The people who failed to teach you Liberals enough History and English to read the US Constitution properly.

And, of course, only conservatives know what's proper...

And you wonder why you're a dying breed.

 

[Anathema]

And, of course, only conservatives know what's proper...

And you wonder why you're a dying breed.

Apparently we're the only ones who still read the Constitution, so yes we're the only ones who know what's proper.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Is something on the order of 1964's election what we are cruising toward?"

No.

Do you think the current trend toward Hillary will reverse in the fall? If so, why?

A review of RCP’s average of polls since December of last year shows three periods where Clinton enjoyed a sizable lead over Trump, before her current sizable lead.

And each of those sizable Clinton leads evaporated some three months later with Clinton and Trump in a virtual tie.

If this current and fourth significant Clinton lead follows suit, the poll numbers will reflect a much tighter race close to Election Day, about three months from now.

It’s important to note, of course, that Trump has never realized his own significant, long-term lead in the polls – Clinton will manage to surge ahead with Trump always catching up, leading for a few days or a week, only to fall behind Clinton again.

 

[Al Azar]

Every day we learn more and more, from Trump himself, why Trump is unfit for office. There's nothing more to learn about Hillary that would have any impact.

Hillary needs only to drive home her vision for her presidency and let Trump self-destruct. Her best strategy is to get out of his way and let him fail all on his own.

 

[pwjohn]

Trump may not get 100 EVs.

So how do you arrive at that concludion

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump may not get 100 EVs.

So how do you arrive at that concludion

Trump's demonstrated apparent lack of ability and temperament as a candidate has weakened him in IA and GA and SC and UT and other red meat states in each which he should be ahead by 15 to 20 points.

 

[Al Azar]

Trump may not get 100 EVs.

So how do you arrive at that concludion

Trump's demonstrated apparent lack of ability and temperament as a candidate has weakened him in IA and GA and SC and UT and other red meat states in each which he should be ahead by 15 to 20 points.

The Republicans would have been better off running a Republican, but there weren't enough Republicans left in the party to pull it off.

So they ended up with a carnival barker who truly represents today's GOP.

 

[jillian]

And therein lies the problem. You aren't conservatives. You're rabid and radical reactionaries.

Conservatism is about maintaining a proper society - by whatever means are necessary.

No. Conservatism is about wanting slow change or no change. You can't even get that right.

And your idea of what is proper makes most of us sick

But thanks for proving my point.

Unfortunately, there are few if any ‘conservatives’ today to whom that definition applies.

Sadly, conservatism today is indeed to be extreme and reactionary, frightened by change, diversity, and inclusion.

because language seems not to matter to them. definitions are optional. they just rant and rave

 

[Flopper]

"Is something on the order of 1964's election what we are cruising toward?"

No.

Do you think the current trend toward Hillary will reverse in the fall? If so, why?

A review of RCP’s average of polls since December of last year shows three periods where Clinton enjoyed a sizable lead over Trump, before her current sizable lead.

And each of those sizable Clinton leads evaporated some three months later with Clinton and Trump in a virtual tie.

If this current and fourth significant Clinton lead follows suit, the poll numbers will reflect a much tighter race close to Election Day, about three months from now.

It’s important to note, of course, that Trump has never realized his own significant, long-term lead in the polls – Clinton will manage to surge ahead with Trump always catching up, leading for a few days or a week, only to fall behind Clinton again.

I think the situation now is really quite different than in the Republican primaries. Trump was able run a very effective campaign with a skeleton staff and very little money. He didn't need party support and he didn't need a lot of money. Most establishment Republicans were sitting on sidelines not taking sides.

Unlike the primaries, in a national campaign, the candidates need a large experienced professional staff, about 10 times what Trump has now, a lot of money, and strong backing by his party, Trump has none of these. He needs to be vigorously campaigning in at least a dozens states for two months and there is a dozen more he can't ignore. Unlike the primaries, he going be meeting open resistance from quite a few local Republicans in addition to Democrats.

I just don't see how this can get better for Trump without a real catastrophe on the Clinton side.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Even a real catastrophe by HRC can still result in a narrow victory for her.

Followed, perhaps, by impeachment. No one has any real grief with Kaine.

 

[Katzndogz]

No matter who wins this country is done as a unified nation. Of course there will be violent clashes. Revolution? No. Daily Milwaukees and Daily Baltimores, sure. A level of civil discourse where spitting in one another's faces is the new polite.

 

[rightwinger]

No matter who wins this country is done as a unified nation. Of course there will be violent clashes. Revolution? No. Daily Milwaukees and Daily Baltimores, sure. A level of civil discourse where spitting in one another's faces is the new polite.

Mass hysteria! Cats and dogs living together!

 

[Flopper]

No matter who wins this country is done as a unified nation. Of course there will be violent clashes. Revolution? No. Daily Milwaukees and Daily Baltimores, sure. A level of civil discourse where spitting in one another's faces is the new polite.

Hate to break the bad news, but 70% of Americans do not follow the elections closely. Those least likely to instigate violence, seniors are the ones who follow elections most closely and those mostly likely to instigate violence, those under 30 follow elections the least.

Regardless of who wins the election, most Americans will continue just as they have done before the election.

 

[Al Azar]

The only thing likely to change next year is there will be fewer Republicans in Washington. Hillary will be able to exploit her honeymoon until the midterms.

 

[oreo]

I don't mean literally 1964's election map and results, but rather something akin to the degree of dominance observed in that or other past elections.

Just how bad do you think Trump's loss will be?

American spectator sees something in this election reminiscent of 1964--but you can color Arizona & Georgia blue, as Hillary Clinton is leading in both those states.
You Wanted Trump, You’ve Got Him | The American Spectator
Watch out Donald Trump, Arizona Might Just be Going for Hillary Clinton
Poll: Clinton leads Trump in Georgia

These two states are deep RED states. Which indicate much worse than 1964. Utah, considered the most conservative state in the nation is in play now. Bill Clinton was spending time there last week campaigning.

The Clinton campaign has pulled adds in several battleground states--as their internal polling data is showing her with double digit leads, so that money and those adds will be going into red states that are in play.
Clinton campaign pulls ads from Colorado
Clinton pauses ads in Virginia in sign of confidence
Confident Clinton Pulling Ads, as the Trump Train Goes Off the Rails | RedState

Trump is losing states that Mitt Romney won.
Trump is losing all 10 of the states with the closest results in 2012

With this data, and 90 days to go before the election, I believe we may be looking at the first 50 state landslide victory in this Nations history. Of course, Hillary Clinton being the winner.

That would please George Will. I don't know if the blowout will be that big, but it will be a disaster for the GOP. I still cannot understand how the GOP could allow this to happen. Is there no one that has a sense of what a person is in that party? Anyone that has read newspapers in the last 30 years understands that Trump has neither the intelligence or temperatment to be President.

The biggest problem for the GOP is none of them has the balls to slap their extremists in the face and tell them to STFU

It only emboldened the base to become more extreme and demand more than can ever be delivered

They were so desperate for warm bodies to increase their numbers they threw their standards by the wayside and the new mouthbreathers took over like a cancer.

It was entirely foreseeable, avoidable and the fault of the RNC.

I place the blame on right wing media. They have become more extreme and more demanding and crucify any Republican who dares to stray

The Reich wing has rewritten the Republican party platform. A party that used to stand on fiscal government issues, was dragged by extremists into already settled U.S. Supreme court issues abortion, that then went into Gay rights. Many of them are single issue voters. With Trump and his attack on Hispanics in this country--they are very reminiscent of an ignorant all white mob coming right out of the 1960's civil rights movement. These people don't just want a hand in government they want to get into the personal private matters and decisions of the citizens of this country--and they are losing support in hoards because of their extreme platform.

In fact their 2016 platform is more extreme than any in memory.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/opinion/the-most-extreme-republican-platform-in-memory.html?_r=0

They continually pick candidates based on religious beliefs--(as if we're electing a pastor and not a President.) Their leaders are Reich wing talk show hosts--who encourage them to support far Reich wing candidates that don't have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning the White House.

Frankly, they are the dumbest most ill informed people on planet earth.

 

[oreo]

Some of these people have been misled to the point where they think that ridding the Republican party of Republicans is a good idea.

Yeah I have seen that comment too--LOL. Many of the anti Establishment Tea Party group actually believe they're the majority of the Republican party, when they really represent less than 20% of the party. The other 80% of the party are the party of Lincoln & Reagan, aka Reaganites aka moderate Republicans.

If Reagan were alive and running today--he would be called a Rino, and Rush Limbaugh would have already labeled him an "Establishment candidate"--(his audience's trigger word to go out on attack.) They would have never supported him, and would have kicked him to the curb for Donald Trump. It's because they're stupid. Frankly they're so stupid they don't know they're stupid.

A very good article explaining the mentality of a Trump supporter is here. How these people took over the Republican party--is beyond any rational possible explanation, other than no one was guarding the party against Reich wing nut cases, and I think that falls squarely right into Reince Preibus's lap who let these ignoramous's take the reins. Then on the other side you had Republican politicians catering to all those Evangelicals with abortion rhetoric that sent women running from the party.
A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains

 

[Nosmo King]

Okay people...enough with the side tracking talk of revolution. It was fun while it lasted, but please get back on topic.....as a reminder, the topic is what the electoral (or popular) vote will make the 2016 electoral map look like, using the OP's maps as rough examples of what some have looked like.

What are your expectations about the nature and extent of the outcome of this November's election?

I believe that Trump could win five or six states. West Virginia, Wyoming, Arizona, Kansas and possibly Mississippi. Georgia is trending blue along with the Carolinas.

What happened in 1964 could happen again. Then, the GOP was taken over by the reactionary wing giving us a reactionary nominee. But Goldwater was the Republican John the Baptist. His far right message was taken up by a few stalwart party members who recruited Ronald Reagan. Perhaps, after the dust settles and the Republican civil war is over, a candidate who can articulate a Conservative agenda could emerge in 2024.

 

[oreo]

Okay people...enough with the side tracking talk of revolution. It was fun while it lasted, but please get back on topic.....as a reminder, the topic is what the electoral (or popular) vote will make the 2016 electoral map look like, using the OP's maps as rough examples of what some have looked like.

What are your expectations about the nature and extent of the outcome of this November's election?

I believe that Trump could win five or six states. West Virginia, Wyoming, Arizona, Kansas and possibly Mississippi. Georgia is trending blue along with the Carolinas.

What happened in 1964 could happen again. Then, the GOP was taken over by the reactionary wing giving us a reactionary nominee. But Goldwater was the Republican John the Baptist. His far right message was taken up by a few stalwart party members who recruited Ronald Reagan. Perhaps, after the dust settles and the Republican civil war is over, a candidate who can articulate a Conservative agenda could emerge in 2024.

The Republican party is going to have to rebuild. It needs to be destroyed first before it can rebuild back into what attracted people to it. Back to the platform of Lincoln & Reagan--and not the party of Trump. This is why it has got to be a landslide victory for Hillary Clinton--to insure that the people that did this have NO SAY in party politics ever again. I am talking about the Tea Party, Evangelical extremists and anti-establishment groups.

Hopefully Donald Trump takes Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage and Sara Palin, and several on FOX News with him. They are the leaders of the Reich wing of the party, and they are the ones that are ultimately responsible for shattering the Republican party into pieces. Using 3 or more daily hours of Reich wing hyperbole, 1/2 truths, misconceptions and enough conspiracy theories to fill the capital building from floor to ceiling was what created this Frankenstein who then gave birth to Donald Trump. All for political entertainment, ratings and those obscene profit breaks.