Is socialism an inevitable future?

[Amazed]

No, socialism in any form is terrible.

I like capitalism, very much.

Sure, only 1% of the people in a capitalist society will ever have any money, any power, and they will use their existing money and power to fix all the rules so they always have the money and power and others wont.

But socialism is terrible, and I will agree with anything you guys say, I dont want what happened to those Sikh's to happen to me or my wife or my employees.

So tell us pissant, do you just take what your company makes every month and divide it up equally between all of your employees?

No you don't so shut the hell up hypocrite.

 

[eflatminor]

If you go to a purely Capitalistic society, it is quite similar to what you would see in an aristocracy or Central American Banana Republics. A small group of people kicking ass economically, running the government behind the scenes to keep the money rolling in, and making policies that hurt any potential competition.

That's called crony capitalism, which is quite a different thing than proper Capitalism.

or american capitalism

it is why Willard cant release his tax docs, when the average tea party moron finally understands they have been lied to all these years about who pays the taxes, shit might get ugly, koch and co cant afford that

The tenants of the Tea Party make it clear that they stand against cronyism. Libertarians certainly do. But hey, Democrats never engage in crony capitalism, right? It's not like Wall Street is in Chuck Shumer's district or anything...

 

[ConzHateUSA]

No, socialism in any form is terrible.

I like capitalism, very much.

Sure, only 1% of the people in a capitalist society will ever have any money, any power, and they will use their existing money and power to fix all the rules so they always have the money and power and others wont.

But socialism is terrible, and I will agree with anything you guys say, I dont want what happened to those Sikh's to happen to me or my wife or my employees.

So tell us pissant, do you just take what your company makes every month and divide it up equally between all of your employees?

No you don't so shut the hell up hypocrite.

ouch, another guy who knows who i am and may be targeting me right now with a high powered rifle

i wont say another word, promise, please dont shoot me

i wont try and explain how socialism works to you, it might make you angrier...

 

[Pho_King]

No, socialism in any form is terrible.

I like capitalism, very much.

Sure, only 1% of the people in a capitalist society will ever have any money, any power, and they will use their existing money and power to fix all the rules so they always have the money and power and others wont.

But socialism is terrible, and I will agree with anything you guys say, I dont want what happened to those Sikh's to happen to me or my wife or my employees.

So tell us pissant, do you just take what your company makes every month and divide it up equally between all of your employees?

No you don't so shut the hell up hypocrite.

ouch, another guy who knows who i am and may be targeting me right now with a high powered rifle

I am smiling from ear to ear. One less parasite....

 

[ConzHateUSA]

So tell us pissant, do you just take what your company makes every month and divide it up equally between all of your employees?

No you don't so shut the hell up hypocrite.

ouch, another guy who knows who i am and may be targeting me right now with a high powered rifle

I am smiling from ear to ear. One less parasite....

you will be smiling, you mean, after you shoot me

oh, and the post I am responding to is proof that baggers are violent murderers

i just wish the MSM would figure it out

 

[Amazed]

No, socialism in any form is terrible.

I like capitalism, very much.

Sure, only 1% of the people in a capitalist society will ever have any money, any power, and they will use their existing money and power to fix all the rules so they always have the money and power and others wont.

But socialism is terrible, and I will agree with anything you guys say, I dont want what happened to those Sikh's to happen to me or my wife or my employees.

So tell us pissant, do you just take what your company makes every month and divide it up equally between all of your employees?

No you don't so shut the hell up hypocrite.

ouch, another guy who knows who i am and may be targeting me right now with a high powered rifle

i wont say another word, promise, please dont shoot me

i wont try and explain how socialism works to you, it might make you angrier...

I can just see you typing furiously in your basement reporting every little post to the FBI in abject fear of every shadow...every snap of a twig outside the window...you aren't capable of making me angrier kid, you aren't intelligent enough.

 

[Steelplate]

If you go to a purely Capitalistic society, it is quite similar to what you would see in an aristocracy or Central American Banana Republics. A small group of people kicking ass economically, running the government behind the scenes to keep the money rolling in, and making policies that hurt any potential competition.

That's called crony capitalism, which is quite a different thing than proper Capitalism.

C'mon man...be realistic. Until FDR instituted some....and I emphasize the wire SOME....Socialism into our society with the New Deal, America was Very Much a country of haves and have nots, and most of the have nots had next to nothing.

That small degree of Socialism kept people from starving, put people to work and ushered in decades of economic growth for most Americans. Labor Unions helped get American Workers good wages and benefits packages that included pensions. People worked hard and were fairly compensated....even non-union employers kept competitive with unionized employers because they didn't want their employees to unionize.

What happened? Unions got too big and powerful, ignoring the issues that businesses were having at the time and still demanding more....we also had that peaky oil embargo that ground our country to a standstill. Imports were making better products, especially in the auto industry, for much less than our Domestic manufacturers.

Those problems ushered in Ronald Reagan...who was brilliant with his theory if trickle down economics. The business community embraced him....seeing their chance to bust up the unions that were....even by my own admission....hurting American Business. Because of that opportunity, the business community gladly played along with Reagan and actually did trickle down.....

which leaves us the post-reagan era.....gradually, greed takes over...and by God it did. Labor in this country has seen it's wages virtually stagnated while the business community's has risen some 600%. The Conglomerate has lobbied for and received "free trade"agreements that does nothing but further hold American workers hostage and line their pockets oh-so-well.

You see....the problem with trickle down is that if you really want it to work, you have to make "trickling down" mandatory. Take Communism, as an example.....if you want it to work, you have to have a perfectly selfless society who doesn't care about having more than someone else, trickle down depends on the most ruthless and self serving of our society to do the right thing in regards to everyone else.

Neither system works.

 

[Amazed]

Take Communism, as an example.....if you want it to work, you have to have a perfectly selfless society who doesn't care about having more than someone else.

No it takes the point of a gun pointed at the populace.

 

[eflatminor]

C'mon man...be realistic. Until FDR instituted some....and I emphasize the wire SOME....Socialism into our society with the New Deal, America was Very Much a country of haves and have nots, and most of the have nots had next to nothing.

That's as far as I got in your little rant...because it's just so terribly wrong. History is crystal clear on two accounts:
1) Income and wealth inequity is far higher today than it was during the bad ol robber baron days. FAR higher. And that's after 100 years of LOTS of socialism...and cronyism.
2) The "have nots", during FDR's time and even today, are considered rich compared to the rest of the world. "Next to nothing" my ass.

 

[Wiseacre]

I don't think you can have a combo of capitalism and socialism, once the gov't starts owning certain industries then you're on the way to the end of capitalism. Lots of disaffected folks with the capitalistic system, but really it's more an issue of poor governance. Won't matter what your economic model is, if your gov't is corrupt then you're still going to end up with a very unequal distribution of wealth and income.

 

[Ava]

India, Korea, and Sri Lanka are all self-declared socialist states (though they do not follow Marxist communism).

India and Korea are currently kicking our asses economically in many regards.

Yet the countries that you've listed haven't imposed the moral and legal obligations the west has on its employers. Try seeking workplace compensation from an employer in any of the countries you've listed after a losing a limb in a workplace accident. Not to mention that slavery is an option that's available to employers in those countries, too. Bearing that in mind, it's no surprise that India's economy is overtaking America's.

Not to mention that both countries have millions of people living in abject poverty. With the government and a few favored bigwigs holding and controlling most of the wealth and all of the power, North Korea is one of the world's poorest and least developed countries in sharp contrast to its more democratic and free market neighbor South Korea, which has one of the largest economies in Asia. About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.

Now let's evaluate who is kicking whose butt again?

About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.


And I read somewhere last week that the majority of Asians are Democrat, because of that statement. Relativity.

 

[ConzHateUSA]

Phew, speechless sometimes

 

[Swagger]

Yet the countries that you've listed haven't imposed the moral and legal obligations the west has on its employers. Try seeking workplace compensation from an employer in any of the countries you've listed after a losing a limb in a workplace accident. Not to mention that slavery is an option that's available to employers in those countries, too. Bearing that in mind, it's no surprise that India's economy is overtaking America's.

Not to mention that both countries have millions of people living in abject poverty. With the government and a few favored bigwigs holding and controlling most of the wealth and all of the power, North Korea is one of the world's poorest and least developed countries in sharp contrast to its more democratic and free market neighbor South Korea, which has one of the largest economies in Asia. About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.

Now let's evaluate who is kicking whose butt again?

About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.


And I read somewhere last week that the majority of Asians are Democrat, because of that statement. Relativity.

Something tells me that Asians living in the Far East and the Subcontinent are more concerned with where their next meal will come from than what ideology they can assign their vote to. If they're allowed to vote at all, that is.

 

[Pho_King]

ouch, another guy who knows who i am and may be targeting me right now with a high powered rifle

I am smiling from ear to ear. One less parasite....

you will be smiling, you mean, after you shoot me

oh, and the post I am responding to is proof that baggers are violent murderers

i just wish the MSM would figure it out

I personally don't like guns. So you have nothing to worry about as far as me shooting you. But while I really don't like guns, I like you OWS parasites even less. If an epidemic wiped all of you out but saved us normal people, I might actually cry.

 

[Ava]

Not to mention that both countries have millions of people living in abject poverty. With the government and a few favored bigwigs holding and controlling most of the wealth and all of the power, North Korea is one of the world's poorest and least developed countries in sharp contrast to its more democratic and free market neighbor South Korea, which has one of the largest economies in Asia. About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.

Now let's evaluate who is kicking whose butt again?

About 40% of India's population lives in abject poverty and would consider America's poorest to be relatively rich.


And I read somewhere last week that the majority of Asians are Democrat, because of that statement. Relativity.

Something tells me that Asians living in the Far East and the Subcontinent are more concerned with where their next meal will come from than what ideology they can assign their vote to. If they're allowed to vote at all, that is.

Interesting.

I am going in search of that article....hope to be back soon, after I verify the source..

I couldn't find the article I was looking for, but this one from NPR might suffice:

MOUA: For the purpose of this polling Asian-Americans encompasses East Asian, Southeast Asians, south Asians, native Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders.

MARTIN: And the poll shows that a majority of Asian-Americans surveyed lean Democratic, but that there's also a large swath of Asian-Americans who don't align with either political party. Why do you think that is?

more: http://www.npr.org/2012/05/02/151856875/are-asian-americans-an-untapped-voting-block

 

[ConzHateUSA]

I am smiling from ear to ear. One less parasite....

you will be smiling, you mean, after you shoot me

oh, and the post I am responding to is proof that baggers are violent murderers

i just wish the MSM would figure it out

I personally don't like guns. So you have nothing to worry about as far as me shooting you. But while I really don't like guns, I like you OWS parasites even less. If an epidemic wiped all of you out but saved us normal people, I might actually cry.

You hate OWS right, the only people in the country actually speaking out for fairness, equality, and to have justice of the Wall street criminals...your brain is broken, while you are defending the very people who are killing you...

you make me ashamed to be of the same species as you, seriously

 

[Wiseacre]

I'm thinkin' the CZ rules have been violated.

 

[Pho_King]

you will be smiling, you mean, after you shoot me

oh, and the post I am responding to is proof that baggers are violent murderers

i just wish the MSM would figure it out

I personally don't like guns. So you have nothing to worry about as far as me shooting you. But while I really don't like guns, I like you OWS parasites even less. If an epidemic wiped all of you out but saved us normal people, I might actually cry.

You hate OWS right, the only people in the country actually speaking out for fairness, equality, and to have justice of the Wall street criminals...your brain is broken, while you are defending the very people who are killing you...

you make me ashamed to be of the same species as you, seriously

Yes, I do hate you OWS parasites. And your notion that "fair" means that other, more successful people pick up the slack you losers leave behind you. I hate your notion that "equality" means gettin shit your neighbor has, even if you did not earn it. It is an absolute honor of the highest kind for an OWS loser like yourself to be ashamed to be the same species as me. It does not make me ashamed that you and I are of the same species. Not at all. It just reinforces my belief that you can be an OWS parasite and I can be a normal person, and we oth started on a level playing field. There have always been losers like you, and there always will be. All your foot stomping and fist clenching and tears ain't gonna change that.

 

[Pho_King]

I'm thinkin' the CZ rules have been violated.

Shit, I did not realize what forum I was in. Adios......

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you go to a purely Capitalistic society, it is quite similar to what you would see in an aristocracy or Central American Banana Republics. A small group of people kicking ass economically, running the government behind the scenes to keep the money rolling in, and making policies that hurt any potential competition.

That's called crony capitalism, which is quite a different thing than proper Capitalism.

or american capitalism

it is why Willard cant release his tax docs, when the average tea party moron finally understands they have been lied to all these years about who pays the taxes, shit might get ugly, koch and co cant afford that

While not 100%, the bond between big business and government is linked to the Democrat Party.

1. Woodrow Wilson’s government intruded deep into the private sector in unprecedented ways is indisputable. It launched the effort, carried forward by FDR, of turning the economy into a “cooperative” enterprise where labor, business, and government sat around a table and made the decisions that effected everyone.

2. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’

b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)


3. Surely, it isn't difficult for you to see the same in Obama's administration (Immelt)



Wise up already.