Is Putin Interested In Peace?

[rightwinger]

Well, as long as you have the USA sending munitions and cash

Ukraine has developed tactics for using our equipment that we never imagined.
They are at the forefront of modern drone warfare.
With no Navy, they sunk Russias flagship, a third of its Black Sea Navy and drove them out of the Black Sea.

Make a perfect NATO partner
They understand the Russian threat better than anyone

 

[Meister]

Ukraine has developed tactics for using our equipment that we never imagined.
They are at the forefront of modern drone warfare.
With no Navy, they sunk Russias flagship, a third of its Black Sea Navy and drove them out of the Black Sea.

Make a perfect NATO partner
They understand the Russian threat better than anyone

Nearly 200 billion from the USA.

 

[Meister]

Putin, as usual, is giving Trump the finger

Escalate the violence as Trump begs him for peace

In your estimation, just how much is this war going to cost us when all is said and done?
Your tribe has no bounds with this corrupt Ukraine government.

That is sad

 

[rightwinger]

Nearly 200 billion from the USA.

We gave Ukraine $150 billion in military aid and equipment. Ukraine used that equipment to hold off the second strongest military in the world. They developed new tactics and strategies that our military advisors never imagined.

Meanwhile, we gave $2 trillion to Afghanistan and Republicans never blinked. Afghanistan used that same military equipment and lost to rag tag Taliban forces in two weeks

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Putin isn't a moron.
He may be stuck with a 50's mentality, and he may be a hard assed ***** sometimes...........but he doesn't want war anymore than the REAL US citizens want it.

And the BEST thing about Trump, in my opinion, is he KNOWS how to handle leaders of other countries.

Remember the old saying..........

Keep your friends close, and keep your enemies closer.

 

[Meister]

We gave Ukraine $150 billion in military aid and equipment. Ukraine used that equipment to hold off the second strongest military in the world. They developed new tactics and strategies that our military advisors never imagined.

Meanwhile, we gave $2 trillion to Afghanistan and Republicans never blinked. Afghanistan used that same military equipment and lost to rag tag Taliban forces in two weeks

Dodging the question I put to you, RW.
figures....have a good day.

 

[Lesh]

Give Ukraine NATO membership?
It's the most corrupt nation in Europe.

Russia is in Europe ya know

 

[Lesh]

Putin isn't a moron.
He may be stuck with a 50's mentality, and he may be a hard assed ***** sometimes...........but he doesn't want war anymore than the REAL US citizens want it.

And the BEST thing about Trump, in my opinion, is he KNOWS how to handle leaders of other countries.

Remember the old saying..........

Keep your friends close, and keep your enemies closer.

Putin doesn’t want war? Then why did he invade Ukraine?

 

[rightwinger]

Dodging the question I put to you, RW.
figures....have a good day.

Run away when defeated once again
Better luck next time

 

[luiza]

If not, what's his end-goal?

If he is, what makes you think that he is?

After six rounds Hero Pooty Pops is so far ahead that it seems the fight might be stopped any minute .

And some wag in the crowd suggests that he would be smart to take a Draw .

Is that what some are criticising him for ?

For not knocking Kyiv right out of the ring when he can punish the Mad Midget in his own time and humiliate the silent crowd who all wanted the mouthy challenger to win?

 

[rightwinger]

In your estimation, just how much is this war going to cost us when all is said and done?
Your tribe has no bounds with this corrupt Ukraine government.

That is sad

Money?
Republicans are concerned about money when it is used against Putin
We spent $2 trillion in Afghanistan and they lasted two weeks against the Taliban and not a single Republican complained

$150 billion to Ukraine was the best investment we ever made. With a military that spends $875 billion a year.

 

[Crepitus]

A simple solution to a complex issue from a simple mind.

LOL, what's not simple about wanting peace?

He started this crap, he can end it by retreating whenever he wants to.

 

[Crepitus]

Money?
Republicans are concerned about money when it is used against Putin
We spent $2 trillion in Afghanistan and they lasted two weeks against the Taliban and not a single Republican complained

$150 billion to Ukraine was the best investment we ever made. With a military that spends $875 billion a year.

Exactly, beating Russia without risking a single American soldier's life.

 

[Crepitus]

Just keep funding the war and Ukraine will end up with nothing.
Putin does not have any more cards except for China, Iran, and N Korea.
Liberals are looking forward to WWIII, it seems.

Giving in to aggressively hostile totalitarians is now the republican thing?

Sad, how far you have fallen.

 

[georgephillip]

I doubt the average Ukrainian will accept occupation of twenty percent of their country. At best Trump will get a negotiated cease fire in place while both sides train and rearm for the resumption of hostilities. Neither Putin nor Ukraine will accept the other’s minimum conditions for a lasting peace. At a minimum Ukraine wants ties to the west and Putin won’t accept that. That is the issue that started the war in the first place and only defeat of one side or the other will resolve it.

It sounds like the question you need to answer is which Ukrainian wants to be the last one to die for a US proxy war designed to promote regime change in Moscow.

Ukraine has already been tactically defeated; it can not prevail against Russia's significantly larger military, vast industrial base, and resources that allow it to sustain prolonged warfare.

Russia has much larger population to draw from while Ukraine has lost millions of its citizens through death, maiming, and displacement. Russia is self-sufficient while Ukraine depends almost entirely on Western military aid, and much of that disappears into a vast sewer of corruption for which Ukraine is duly noted.

It is possible a negotiated settlement where Ukraine regains some of its occupied territories can be arranged, but not if those who profit from war crimes continue to pursue regime change in Moscow at the expense of the Ukrainian population.

 

[georgephillip]

A coup in Richmond? What are you talking about?

Ethnic Russian separatists is a Moscow promoted myth.

These “ethnic Russians” did not rise up in support of Moscow when the invasion was launched.

And the “citizens” of the fake republics are now being forces to take Russian passports.

Conquest, not liberation, is the Kremlin’s objective.

I was responding to AZ's post which declared "...Ukraine can no more accept the taking of part of its country by Russia than the Union could accept the secession of the Confederacy."

There was no foreign coup in 1861 that precipitated the US Civil War that was similar to the American instigation of the 2014 Maidan demonstrations.

The far-right, anti-Russian regime that coup brought to power kicked-off a civil war which led directly to Putin's SMO eight years later. Putin's only concern is preventing a hostile military alliance from taking control of his border with Ukraine, and he has already accomplished that goal.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Putin doesn’t want war? Then why did he invade Ukraine?

Weren't you paying attention?

Biden harassed him and coerced him, and pretty much demanded he start a war in the Ukraine.
The Dems needed to hide the fact about having bio weapons labs over there and laundering our trillions of tax dollars.

 

[Meister]

Giving in to aggressively hostile totalitarians is now the republican thing?

Sad, how far you have fallen.

It's not the hill to make our stand on. Ukraine is a corrupt country run by a dictator.
Wise up.

 

[Meister]

LOL, what's not simple about wanting peace?

He started this crap, he can end it by retreating whenever he wants to.

If Trump had been president, and not Biden, it would have been at the peace table
long before now.

 

[Meister]

Money?
Republicans are concerned about money when it is used against Putin
We spent $2 trillion in Afghanistan and they lasted two weeks against the Taliban and not a single Republican complained

$150 billion to Ukraine was the best investment we ever made. With a military that spends $875 billion a year.

Fully agree, should have brought home all the hardware.
Having said that, it doesn't mean we just keep spending
billions that we don't have. The chickens have come home to roost.