Is Putin Interested In Peace?

[Meister]

Run away when defeated once again
Better luck next time

You still didn't answer it.
You may not have a life other than this board, but I do.

 

[Crepitus]

It's not the hill to make our stand on. Ukraine is a corrupt country run by a dictator.
Wise up.

repeating tRump's lies doesn't magically make them true.

 

[Crepitus]

If Trump had been president, and not Biden, it would have been at the peace table
long before now.

Sheer speculation.

 

[Lesh]

Weren't you paying attention?

Biden harassed him and coerced him, and pretty much demanded he start a war in the Ukraine.
The Dems needed to hide the fact about having bio weapons labs over there and laundering our trillions of tax dollars.

Oh bullshit.

There was no “harassment”
You don’t invade county A because the President of country B “harassed” you anyway.
There were no “bio weapons labs”
There was no money laundering nor would that be a reason to invade of there were.

Any other lies you need to tell Vlad?

 

[frigidweirdo]

If not, what's his end-goal?

If he is, what makes you think that he is?

Russia 'will never agree' to European peacekeepers in Ukraine, Lukashenko says

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko -- a close ally of President Vladimir Putin -- warned that the Kremlin "will never" accept a European deployment to Ukraine.

abcnews.go.com

Depends what you mean by "peace". He wants "peace" because in his mind, this means he controls the Ukraine, he makes loads of money mining it, and he executes a load of Ukrainian "traitors" (as he sees it).

Does he want peace where he loses all of the Ukraine? No.
Does he want peace where he gets to keep the Crimea and all of the parts of the Ukraine he officially "annexed"? Maybe.

 

[PeterPilot]

Putin would love that, then he could conquer Eastern and Western Europe one small bite at a time.

Silly boy, Putin doesn't want to conquer Europe. You've been conditioned to think that, but he wants only to protect Mother Russia. If you ever listened to or read anything other than mainstream media you would know that.

 

[Lesh]

Silly boy, Putin doesn't want to conquer Europe. You've been conditioned to think that, but he wants only to protect Mother Russia. If you ever listened to or read anything other than mainstream media you would know that.

Another Kremlin troll

 

[PeterPilot]

Another Kremlin troll

And you sir are just another dime-a-dozen fully brainwashed American who believes everything he's told by mainstream media, no questions asked. May your chains rest lightly...

 

[Meister]

repeating tRump's lies doesn't magically make them true.

The world see's it differently than you, Crep.
Keep swinging.

 

[PeterPilot]

TimFitz

It's never pleasant to observe cognitive dissonance in action Tim. We have been in perpetual wars since about 1950, undeclared wars.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Silly boy, Putin doesn't want to conquer Europe. You've been conditioned to think that, but he wants only to protect Mother Russia. If you ever listened to or read anything other than mainstream media you would know that.

He is on record as wanting to recreate the USSR/Russian Empire. If history has taught us anything, it is to take dictators at their words since they really mean what they say and don't have to answer to their citizens/subjects.

 

[Crepitus]

The world see's it differently than you, Crep.
Keep swinging.

LMAO!!

You bloody tRumplings are NOT "the world".

 

[georgephillip]

Make clear to Putin that he will never win.
The West will continue supplying Ukraine as long as it takes. Tell him if he keeps up this war, we will give Ukraine NATO membership.

Offer Putin a way out.
Return half of your captured territory.
No NATO membership but a guarantee of NATO military forces if he attacks again
Gradual reduction of sanctions if Russia complies over time.

How many more Ukrainians will become dead, maimed, or displaced if the West proclaims its intention to "...continue supplying Ukraine for as long as it takes"?

Why should western capitalists profit from that policy?

Why would Putin need to concede any of his captured territory in order to convince US war mongers this is not the 1990s?

 

[rightwinger]

How many more Ukrainians will become dead, maimed, or displaced if the West proclaims its intention to "...continue supplying Ukraine for as long as it takes"?

Why should western capitalists profit from that policy?

Why would Putin need to concede any of his captured territory in order to convince US war mongers this is not the 1990s?

It is up to Ukraine isn’t it?
How many are willing to die for their country?

Why are Russian boys willing to die to take someone else’s country ?

 

[TimFitz]

Peace gives him time to reconstitute his forces and try to build modern weapons IF he can get the sanctions on his economy and trade lifted.

Which is exactly what Trump is trying to do. Enable a Russian victory by weakening Ukraine.

 

[Blaster]

 

[M14 Shooter]

You competely inverted one of my points,

You listed three things:
-The US has not been in a state of perpetual war.
-There has been no major war, and no European or World War since 1945.
-There is network of international institutions that the US championed set up an international regieme of free trade that benefited every human being on this planet. Through either direct American aid, or free trade, the standard of living of the entire planet has advanced considerably in the last 75 years.

You then said:
Trump wants to undo all that.

Thus, you -- literally -- claim Trump wants to:
-Put the US in a state of perpetual war.
-Create a major European or World War
-End the network of international institutions which set up an international regime of free trade that benefited every human being on this planet.
-Reduce the standard of living of the entire planet

You know you cannot back these claims up because you know they are not true.

This makes you a liar.

 

[georgephillip]

It is up to Ukraine isn’t it?
How many are willing to die for their country?

Why are Russian boys willing to die to take someone else’s country ?

How many more Ukrainians are willing to die for BlackRock?
https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/si.../files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf

There was no majority support in Ukraine for joining NATO prior to the US -facilitated coup in 2014; ChatGPT puts that support at 15%-25% before the civil war that erupted after that particular instance of American meddling.

One recent Gallup poll put Ukrainian support for a negotiated settlement to their conflict at 52%.

Russian boys are clear about the existential threat a hostile military alliance on the western border poses even if Americans are not.

 

[rightwinger]

How many more Ukrainians are willing to die for BlackRock?
https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/si.../files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf

There was no majority support in Ukraine for joining NATO prior to the US -facilitated coup in 2014; ChatGPT puts that support at 15%-25% before the civil war that erupted after that particular instance of American meddling.

One recent Gallup poll put Ukrainian support for a negotiated settlement to their conflict at 52%.

Russian boys are clear about the existential threat a hostile military alliance on the western border poses even if Americans are not.

Bullshit
Ukraine was never a military threat
That is why Putin invaded
He thought they would be easy

 

[georgephillip]

Bullshit
Ukraine was never a military threat
That is why Putin invaded
He thought they would be easy

Putin was aware of the training and advisory support NATO provided to Ukraine like the Comprehensive Assistance Package in 2016, UK's Operation ORBITAL which trained over 22,000 Ukrainian personnel, and the US-led Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine dedicated to improving Ukraine's combat effectiveness.

Check it out at ChatGPT if you have the slightest concern with holding US warmongers like Joe Biden to account: "How much military support did NATO provide to Ukraine between 2014 and 2022?"