What will you do with illegal brothels? Arrest them all? What will you do with the independent street walkers? Maybe she offers something the state run brothels don't. Like no condoms, cheaper price, her pimp will let the guy beat her up a little. or a lot, or the girls are underage. How about the part time prostitute. She's not a prostitute but when she needs to make the rent she'll make the bar rounds. Then there's the woman who isn't a prostitute at all, but she is known to bed down with anyone that will give her career a boost. Are you going to have crackdowns and start arresting these women and customers as unlicensed prostitutes? Sex is not like alcohol. You don't need to make sex in a bathtub like it was bad gin.
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Is Prostitution normal also?
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What will you do with illegal brothels? Arrest them all? What will you do with the independent street walkers? Maybe she offers something the state run brothels don't. Like no condoms, cheaper price, her pimp will let the guy beat her up a little. or a lot, or the girls are underage. How about the part time prostitute. She's not a prostitute but when she needs to make the rent she'll make the bar rounds. Then there's the woman who isn't a prostitute at all, but she is known to bed down with anyone that will give her career a boost. Are you going to have crackdowns and start arresting these women and customers as unlicensed prostitutes? Sex is not like alcohol. You don't need to make sex in a bathtub like it was bad gin.
Sallow
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It should be legal, regulated and taxed.
It should be legal, regulated and taxed.
Followed by unregulated and untaxed prostitution which will be a bigger share of the prostitution industry than legal prostitution.
The best that could say with legal prostitution is that there will be both legal and illegal prostitution. The arrests of prostitutes operating illegally will continue and there will be just as many prostitutes in jail, along with their johns, as there ever was.
PratchettFan
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It should be legal, regulated and taxed.
Followed by unregulated and untaxed prostitution which will be a bigger share of the prostitution industry than legal prostitution.
The best that could say with legal prostitution is that there will be both legal and illegal prostitution. The arrests of prostitutes operating illegally will continue and there will be just as many prostitutes in jail, along with their johns, as there ever was.
If it is legal, how is it illegal?
It should be legal, regulated and taxed.
Followed by unregulated and untaxed prostitution which will be a bigger share of the prostitution industry than legal prostitution.
The best that could say with legal prostitution is that there will be both legal and illegal prostitution. The arrests of prostitutes operating illegally will continue and there will be just as many prostitutes in jail, along with their johns, as there ever was.
If it is legal, how is it illegal?
Legal prostitution would be regulated. The whores would have to undergo routine disease testing, pay taxes, use condoms, perhaps be licensed. Brothels would be inspected for cleanliness and to make sure that no minors were working there. The customers would be forbidden to abuse the workers. Prostitution that did not follow these regulations would be illegal.
The street walker would be illegal. The secretary just making a few extra bucks now and then by picking up customers at the local bar would be illegal. Pimps and madams who offered special services would be illegal. Unless you propose legal prostitution with no regulations, no laws and no taxes, there will always be illegal prostitution which means the same prostitutes would be in jail, the same number of johns in jail. They would just be in jail with different charges. A streetwalker and her customer might be in federal prison for years for conspiracy to evade payment of income taxes instead of in jail for a couple of hours for solicitation.
PratchettFan
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Followed by unregulated and untaxed prostitution which will be a bigger share of the prostitution industry than legal prostitution.
The best that could say with legal prostitution is that there will be both legal and illegal prostitution. The arrests of prostitutes operating illegally will continue and there will be just as many prostitutes in jail, along with their johns, as there ever was.
If it is legal, how is it illegal?
Legal prostitution would be regulated. The whores would have to undergo routine disease testing, pay taxes, use condoms, perhaps be licensed. Brothels would be inspected for cleanliness and to make sure that no minors were working there. The customers would be forbidden to abuse the workers. Prostitution that did not follow these regulations would be illegal.
The street walker would be illegal. The secretary just making a few extra bucks now and then by picking up customers at the local bar would be illegal. Pimps and madams who offered special services would be illegal. Unless you propose legal prostitution with no regulations, no laws and no taxes, there will always be illegal prostitution which means the same prostitutes would be in jail, the same number of johns in jail. They would just be in jail with different charges. A streetwalker and her customer might be in federal prison for years for conspiracy to evade payment of income taxes instead of in jail for a couple of hours for solicitation.
I see. Nonsense. Why not go back to making all alcohol illegal because some people still have illegal stills? Prohibition does not work and I see no reason why my tax dollars should be wasted.
Delta4Embassy
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Keeping prostitution illegal is a historical attempt by men to make women dependent upon them for economic prosperity. If women can rent desired services to men, they don't need men to prosper. Worth noting too that by and large it isn't prostitution that prostitues get arrested for but solicitation, offering the service. I think that's the 'offends public morals' part moreso than having sex only for money since many people do that anyway. YOu never hear about a porn movie set being raided and the actors getting busted for prostitution even though that's in fact what they are and are doing.
If it is legal, how is it illegal?
Legal prostitution would be regulated. The whores would have to undergo routine disease testing, pay taxes, use condoms, perhaps be licensed. Brothels would be inspected for cleanliness and to make sure that no minors were working there. The customers would be forbidden to abuse the workers. Prostitution that did not follow these regulations would be illegal.
The street walker would be illegal. The secretary just making a few extra bucks now and then by picking up customers at the local bar would be illegal. Pimps and madams who offered special services would be illegal. Unless you propose legal prostitution with no regulations, no laws and no taxes, there will always be illegal prostitution which means the same prostitutes would be in jail, the same number of johns in jail. They would just be in jail with different charges. A streetwalker and her customer might be in federal prison for years for conspiracy to evade payment of income taxes instead of in jail for a couple of hours for solicitation.
I see. Nonsense. Why not go back to making all alcohol illegal because some people still have illegal stills? Prohibition does not work and I see no reason why my tax dollars should be wasted.
The difference is, no one is born with an illegal still between their legs. Not every law can be compared to prohibition. You are right. Laws prohibiting prostitution are unworkable. As long as women are born with vaginas and don't need to build one there will be prostitution. As long as women carry these vaginas with them everywhere they go, there will be prostitution. The question is, can prostitution be made legal. The answer is no, it can't. The best that can be said is that some prostitution can be made legal. By far and away, the vast majority of prostitution will still be illegal. Do you have any proposals to deal with illegal prostitution? Or, do we just arrest everyone?
Keeping prostitution illegal is a historical attempt by men to make women dependent upon them for economic prosperity. If women can rent desired services to men, they don't need men to prosper. Worth noting too that by and large it isn't prostitution that prostitues get arrested for but solicitation, offering the service. I think that's the 'offends public morals' part moreso than having sex only for money since many people do that anyway. YOu never hear about a porn movie set being raided and the actors getting busted for prostitution even though that's in fact what they are and are doing.
There is no exchange of money between the participants. Making porn movies is illegal in Los Angeles. Well, it's legal, but so heavily regulated that there's no point in trying.
PratchettFan
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Legal prostitution would be regulated. The whores would have to undergo routine disease testing, pay taxes, use condoms, perhaps be licensed. Brothels would be inspected for cleanliness and to make sure that no minors were working there. The customers would be forbidden to abuse the workers. Prostitution that did not follow these regulations would be illegal.
The street walker would be illegal. The secretary just making a few extra bucks now and then by picking up customers at the local bar would be illegal. Pimps and madams who offered special services would be illegal. Unless you propose legal prostitution with no regulations, no laws and no taxes, there will always be illegal prostitution which means the same prostitutes would be in jail, the same number of johns in jail. They would just be in jail with different charges. A streetwalker and her customer might be in federal prison for years for conspiracy to evade payment of income taxes instead of in jail for a couple of hours for solicitation.
I see. Nonsense. Why not go back to making all alcohol illegal because some people still have illegal stills? Prohibition does not work and I see no reason why my tax dollars should be wasted.
The difference is, no one is born with an illegal still between their legs. Not every law can be compared to prohibition. You are right. Laws prohibiting prostitution are unworkable. As long as women are born with vaginas and don't need to build one there will be prostitution. As long as women carry these vaginas with them everywhere they go, there will be prostitution. The question is, can prostitution be made legal. The answer is no, it can't. The best that can be said is that some prostitution can be made legal. By far and away, the vast majority of prostitution will still be illegal. Do you have any proposals to deal with illegal prostitution? Or, do we just arrest everyone?
So it is not about the law at all. It's about vaginas.
My suggestion is that prostitution not be illegal. Now, if someone wants to evade taxes, fail to file for a permit, operate a facility in violation of health codes, etc. then I would handle them as I would any other business. Prostitution is a business. Deal with it like any other business.
Closure of prostitution website costly for sex workers - Houston Chronicle
To compare with debates on whether
homosexuality is normal for some people and should be accepted,
or whether people are going to feed drug addictions anyway so that should be
either legalized or decriminalized,
What about Prostitution?
If you believe drugs and prostitution should be decriminalized
in order to regulate safely, what level of laws do you support to prevent abuses
that are not the "free choice" of participants but pose a danger to public health or safety?
Where do you draw the line, why, and what do you suggest for reform?
Legalized Drugs and Prostitution are a business, I don't see where Homosexual lifestyle is.
I see. Nonsense. Why not go back to making all alcohol illegal because some people still have illegal stills? Prohibition does not work and I see no reason why my tax dollars should be wasted.
The difference is, no one is born with an illegal still between their legs. Not every law can be compared to prohibition. You are right. Laws prohibiting prostitution are unworkable. As long as women are born with vaginas and don't need to build one there will be prostitution. As long as women carry these vaginas with them everywhere they go, there will be prostitution. The question is, can prostitution be made legal. The answer is no, it can't. The best that can be said is that some prostitution can be made legal. By far and away, the vast majority of prostitution will still be illegal. Do you have any proposals to deal with illegal prostitution? Or, do we just arrest everyone?
So it is not about the law at all. It's about vaginas.
My suggestion is that prostitution not be illegal. Now, if someone wants to evade taxes, fail to file for a permit, operate a facility in violation of health codes, etc. then I would handle them as I would any other business. Prostitution is a business. Deal with it like any other business.
Then just as many whores and john's would be in jail as there ever was. The expenditure of money and resources would be the same. Nothing would change except liberals could say that prostitution was legal. They will feel very good about their success
Yes. That is exactly what would happen.
Living in a state where it's legal in all but two counties, I don't see why not!
It works very well here and the women in the brothels are well-treated and cared for. Unlike their sisters on the streets.
There are sisters on the streets meaning that not even legal prostitution puts a dent in illegal prostitution.
There might be no way to deal with prostitution that has any meaningful result.
Esmeralda
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I lived in Austria, where prostitution is legal. They legalized it not because they accept it as a lifestyle, but for practical reasons. There has always been prostitution and always will be, and legalizing it gives the State the ability to regulate and oversee it. The women work out of brothels which are strongly regulated. It seems to work well. There are still some street walkers in one part of town, but that is quite limited. The vast majority of prostitutes work in legal brothels.
PratchettFan
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The difference is, no one is born with an illegal still between their legs. Not every law can be compared to prohibition. You are right. Laws prohibiting prostitution are unworkable. As long as women are born with vaginas and don't need to build one there will be prostitution. As long as women carry these vaginas with them everywhere they go, there will be prostitution. The question is, can prostitution be made legal. The answer is no, it can't. The best that can be said is that some prostitution can be made legal. By far and away, the vast majority of prostitution will still be illegal. Do you have any proposals to deal with illegal prostitution? Or, do we just arrest everyone?
So it is not about the law at all. It's about vaginas.
My suggestion is that prostitution not be illegal. Now, if someone wants to evade taxes, fail to file for a permit, operate a facility in violation of health codes, etc. then I would handle them as I would any other business. Prostitution is a business. Deal with it like any other business.
Then just as many whores and john's would be in jail as there ever was. The expenditure of money and resources would be the same. Nothing would change except liberals could say that prostitution was legal. They will feel very good about their success
Yes. That is exactly what would happen.
Yes. So you keep repeating. It makes absolutely no sense, but you do keep repeating it.
Closure of prostitution website costly for sex workers - Houston Chronicle
To compare with debates on whether
homosexuality is normal for some people and should be accepted,
or whether people are going to feed drug addictions anyway so that should be
either legalized or decriminalized,
What about Prostitution?
If you believe drugs and prostitution should be decriminalized
in order to regulate safely, what level of laws do you support to prevent abuses
that are not the "free choice" of participants but pose a danger to public health or safety?
Where do you draw the line, why, and what do you suggest for reform?
The fails as a false comparison fallacy.
This also fails as a consequence of a lack of knowledge concerning 14th Amendment jurisprudence.
Asclepias
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Closure of prostitution website costly for sex workers - Houston Chronicle
To compare with debates on whether
homosexuality is normal for some people and should be accepted,
or whether people are going to feed drug addictions anyway so that should be
either legalized or decriminalized,
What about Prostitution?
If you believe drugs and prostitution should be decriminalized
in order to regulate safely, what level of laws do you support to prevent abuses
that are not the "free choice" of participants but pose a danger to public health or safety?
Where do you draw the line, why, and what do you suggest for reform?
Prostitution abuses are not about legality. It is about power and low self esteem. Unless you can legislate that its a waste of time. There will always be power hungry people willing to take advantage of women with low self esteem. If someone is caught abusing a prostitute it should be handled the same as any assault. In the event its mental abuse there is not much you can do about it.
Quantum Windbag
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Closure of prostitution website costly for sex workers - Houston Chronicle
To compare with debates on whether
homosexuality is normal for some people and should be accepted,
or whether people are going to feed drug addictions anyway so that should be
either legalized or decriminalized,
What about Prostitution?
If you believe drugs and prostitution should be decriminalized
in order to regulate safely, what level of laws do you support to prevent abuses
that are not the "free choice" of participants but pose a danger to public health or safety?
Where do you draw the line, why, and what do you suggest for reform?
The fails as a false comparison fallacy.
This also fails as a consequence of a lack of knowledge concerning 14th Amendment jurisprudence.
Your argument fails to address her points.
Quantum Windbag
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Closure of prostitution website costly for sex workers - Houston Chronicle
To compare with debates on whether
homosexuality is normal for some people and should be accepted,
or whether people are going to feed drug addictions anyway so that should be
either legalized or decriminalized,
What about Prostitution?
If you believe drugs and prostitution should be decriminalized
in order to regulate safely, what level of laws do you support to prevent abuses
that are not the "free choice" of participants but pose a danger to public health or safety?
Where do you draw the line, why, and what do you suggest for reform?
Prostitution abuses are not about legality. It is about power and low self esteem. Unless you can legislate that its a waste of time. There will always be power hungry people willing to take advantage of women with low self esteem. If someone is caught abusing a prostitute it should be handled the same as any assault. In the event its mental abuse there is not much you can do about it.
All the existing data disproves your argument, but feel free to keep spouting nonsense.
Study: To Lower Rape and STD Rates, Decriminalize Prostitution - Hit & Run : Reason.com
How the FBI Is Enabling Violence Against Women While Silencing Speech - Hit & Run : Reason.com
10 reasons we need to legalize prostitution - National social justice | Examiner.com
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